[happydaze]

hi all im after a little advice
first off since the birth of my child 3 years ago my partner's know something just wernt quite right. he's recently been diagnosed with autism and the docs think they may be other issues going on to but it's alittle early tell yet. Head banging, raging tantrums, no speech which results in alot of crying ect ect... all that we cope with but the major issue is sleep. he can wake up every 45 mins at night and when he wakes hes without doubt in a major rage everytime, we have had the bestest of help from the doctors to which we've tried mild sleeping medication and nothing works
i smoke at night and have done for the past 10-15 years because i enjoy it purely for pleasure

I WOULD'NT DREAM OF GIVING MY 3YR OLD CHILD A SPLIFF NOR PUT A BUD IN HIS FOOD

but i have a massive feeling it could help him chill in so many ways mainly at night and i,m wondering what others thought

thanks happydaze

[StevieRays]

Have you thought about trying a glycerine tincture? You could make it really mild to start with and just try one drop.

[Zion]

First off, let me say I have a child who has a rare condition, one which I do not discuss deatils of as its pretty rare and I need to watch my tracks. My son is 17months old & has also had trouble sleeping since birth. I smoke aswell but cannabis is not your answer my friend. I know you dont want to get him high etc.... My partner & I are trying to get a medication called 'mellatonin' I think thats what its called, not 100% sure thats how its spelled. This will help your child sleep Its not easy to get if your in the uk tho. Its a US based drug which children with simalar symptons have been prescribed over there . Hope this helps you and your family.

Zion86

[StevieRays]

zion1986, on 10 March 2012 - 09:58 AM, said:

My partner & I are trying to get a medication called 'mellatonin' I think thats what its called, not 100% sure thats how its spelled. This will help your child sleep Its not easy to get if your in the uk tho. Its a US based drug which children with simalar symptons have been prescribed over there . Hope this helps you and your family.

Zion86

Hi Zion,

Did you know that you can buy Melatonin in the UK? I take it myself for sleep.

[Nocturnal]

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

i,m wondering what others thought

I reckon it would be bad news for the site if anyone was to give you the advice you seek, unfortunately.

[happydaze]

thanks for then replys
'mellatonin tried it and he laughed it off, also tried (fennagen) spelt wrong but that had no impact neither
doctors have said theres another option but its a hardcore knockout your sleepin drug which the side affects are not good i aint willing to go there
we deal with it but its just been a bad sleeping week
never heard of glycerine tincture i'll google and have a read thanks

[Zion]

It didnt work! Ive only heard good things from parents about that product Sorry to hear that HD.

@StevieRay- Where from m8? My misses has took an intrest in uk420 for the first time!

Zion86

[cf]

there's a case of a lad in the states who is helped by canna after being on many script drugs ...I'm sitting in the sun on my phone atm ....ill find the Li.k for you when I get home . it makes very interesting reading.

[StevieRays]

zion1986, on 10 March 2012 - 10:13 AM, said:

It didnt work! Ive only heard good things from parents about that product Sorry to hear that HD.

@StevieRay- Where from m8? My misses has took an intrest in uk420 for the first time!

Zion86

If you go to google and type melatonin, then click shopping results. It should bring up a list of shops that sell it so you can take your pick.

[tigseyjnr]

hi there.

i'm no expert, but i do manage/work in care homes for young people with autism and assosiated difficulties and have done for a few years now.

obviously i dont know the in's and out's of your son, but with alot of people who have autism and hyper/over activity, sedatives actually have the opposite affect, same as stimulants.

sounds mad, but sometimes a stimulant will actually help to 'calm' someone down.

personally, i'd avoid the medicine route as much as physically possible, especialy as a child. one drug might solve one problem, then lead to many other's, usually worse than being a bit hyper. then more drugs get added to the mix to solve the new probs. madness. it's another americanism we really do not need!

start with diet. i know it's gona be hard with a child that young, but in my experience, diet is the best starting point.

keep a diary of everything he eats, and alongside it, keep a diary of mood/behaviour etc. see if there are any patterns.

avoid the obvious, sugar, caffeen, genrally crap processed foods, but also target specific groups like dairy and wheat. try not feeding him one of those groups for a week. it might not help, but it often does.

there's no quick way round this i'm afraid, trial and error, and keep adiaries of everything, but i have personally helped young adults come off all those bloody med's using diet and simple self calming techniques (with alot of unhelpfull doctors and psychiatrists advising against it, only to have totally eaten thier words). Bare in mind i work with the extreme end of the spectum too. non-verbal, severe learning difficulties. some can be pretty violent - biting, punching, hair pulling etc. some of these behaviours will never change, but they are SO much calmer and happier without all those med's

i'll be back to look in on this one. feel free to fire any questions back.

one thing i would like to say, is you are not alone! get as much advice and help from other parents etc. dont mean to point out the obvious, but do you know about NAS? National Autistic Society? it's a great resource, use them!

Tigs.

[happydaze]

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

there's a case of a lad in the states who is helped by canna after being on many script drugs ...I'm sitting in the sun on my phone atm ....ill find the Li.k for you when I get home . it makes very interesting reading.

cool thanks enjoy reading

[tigseyjnr]

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 10:06 AM, said:

thanks for then replys
'mellatonin tried it and he laughed it off, also tried (fennagen) spelt wrong but that had no impact neither
doctors have said theres another option but its a hardcore knockout your sleepin drug which the side affects are not good i aint willing to go there
we deal with it but its just been a bad sleeping week
never heard of glycerine tincture i'll google and have a read thanks

cant believe your doctor said that. go to someone else. i'm no hippy who avoids all medicine, but that is just the voice of an ignorant doctor!!!!!!!! GP or specialist? i hope he was a GP, slightly forgiven if that's the case.

[tigseyjnr]

Nocturnal, on 10 March 2012 - 10:04 AM, said:

happydaze, on 10 March 2012 - 08:42 AM, said:

i,m wondering what others thought

I reckon it would be bad news for the site if anyone was to give you the advice you seek, unfortunately.

agree!

[tigseyjnr]

cf, on 10 March 2012 - 10:22 AM, said:

there's a case of a lad in the states who is helped by canna after being on many script drugs ...I'm sitting in the sun on my phone atm ....ill find the Li.k for you when I get home . it makes very interesting reading.

probably the fact that he's off all the scripted drugs that actually done him the most good. the cannabis probably just suited the lad anyway. it can do anyone good if used correctly. growing gives you a hobby, something to focus on, craftmanship, friends, shared experiences. all inportant to anyone, but especially people with autism etc

[happydaze]

tigseyjnr, on 10 March 2012 - 10:38 AM, said:

hi there.

i'm no expert, but i do manage/work in care homes for young people with autism and assosiated difficulties and have done for a few years now.

obviously i dont know the in's and out's of your son, but with alot of people who have autism and hyper/over activity, sedatives actually have the opposite affect, same as stimulants.

sounds mad, but sometimes a stimulant will actually help to 'calm' someone down.

personally, i'd avoid the medicine route as much as physically possible, especialy as a child. one drug might solve one problem, then lead to many other's, usually worse than being a bit hyper. then more drugs get added to the mix to solve the new probs. madness. it's another americanism we really do not need!

start with diet. i know it's gona be hard with a child that young, but in my experience, diet is the best starting point.

keep a diary of everything he eats, and alongside it, keep a diary of mood/behaviour etc. see if there are any patterns.

avoid the obvious, sugar, caffeen, genrally crap processed foods, but also target specific groups like dairy and wheat. try not feeding him one of those groups for a week. it might not help, but it often does.

there's no quick way round this i'm afraid, trial and error, and keep adiaries of everything, but i have personally helped young adults come off all those bloody med's using diet and simple self calming techniques (with alot of unhelpfull doctors and psychiatrists advising against it, only to have totally eaten thier words). Bare in mind i work with the extreme end of the spectum too. non-verbal, severe learning difficulties. some can be pretty violent - biting, punching, hair pulling etc. some of these behaviours will never change, but they are SO much calmer and happier without all those med's

i'll be back to look in on this one. feel free to fire any questions back.

one thing i would like to say, is you are not alone! get as much advice and help from other parents etc. dont mean to point out the obvious, but do you know about NAS? National Autistic Society? it's a great resource, use them!

Tigs.

thanks and thats the route i want no meds
my son is extreme end of the spectum too we've been seeing docs for about a year now and the help we get is more than we ask for they've been great, we realise we are not alone we know quite afew parents of kids with autism problem is we've found no two are alike
the diet route keeps popping up milk, cheese, dairy products is something hes never took to, meal times can get stressful he eats want he wants to eat its quite funny he has four licks to check what it is than if he likes he eats if not he doesnt