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murran

Rock Dust.

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@Jimboo careful bro he might threaten to throw you out of "his" sandbox next

 

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If any mod would like to clean this thread up by deleting all my posts but the one on teaming with fungi :chains:

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Just now, buddy13 said:

@Jimboo careful bro he might threaten to throw you out of "his" sandbox next

 

yeah I noticed that mate here 3 days and it's his sandbox are we sure he isn't American

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NT has a US  space base ,just South of Alice..Every yank in Alice is a cleaner lolat the base.

 

Hes a cleaner at the base.:yep:

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17 minutes ago, buddy13 said:

If any mod would like to clean this thread up by deleting all my posts but the one on teaming with fungi :chains:

Is that all you've got to get deleted...youll have to try harder than that.lol

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Just to get my 2p in and reiterate what has been said previously . I think Newfie is fixed on the availability of the nutrients from rock dust, but as this is the ORGANIC section, people are doing no till and reusing soil. Also it becomes a source of “food” and “housing” for the microbes. Especially if combining with soil from outdoors, the rock dust can help maintain bacteria which specifically break down “rocks”.  Thus rather than feeding the plants we’re feeding the microbes. Also the slow release aspect is a plus as it means the soil will need less amendments.

 

Really can’t think of scientific words right now. I’m literate I promise.

 

i was reading a book a while ago, mentioned it somewhere on here. Even adding rocks to your soil would be beneficial to the microbes.

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2 hours ago, Newfie_Grow_Dr said:

Hey Cambium, sure there is lots that could be said, re: Oldtimer1's and FarmerPalmersNT post.

 

I think the post by FarmerPalmerNT speaks for itself for the most part, and as he states, 

 

with the very different types of rock dust available and as mentioned the differences by region, what are you actually putting into the soil to benefit plant life, and in what quantities? As previously stated, before you start adding amendments to your soils, you should know what your starting point is and where you are going, I have not seen this discussed in this post. 

 

I think we need to understand the concept of time and relationship to our gardens. Agreed that through microbial action this does speed the process, and I had mentioned that, but we are still unsure of the extent of the availability of the nutrients and exactly what these are. Again the varying difference in rock types by region. Can we class all rock dust collectively in one group? Of course not, that's pointless and absurd. 

 

As for educating? Well is that not what we all do in out post? Are our opinions, regardless of validity, are educational? Believe me some need to be taken with a grain of salt, but we are all educators in one form or another from what we say. Education does not make one smarter, it makes one more knowledgeable on any given subject.

 

As for Mr Oldtimer1, I appreciate his knowledge and insight.  I was asked to comment, and I will

Until we have a side by side comparison, under controlled conditions, we cannot say for sure that the above statement is direct attributed to rock dust, or is Oldtimer1 just a good grower, with real good soil? If I have a healthy soil, and I add marbles to it every so often, while maintaining my other regime of amendments, and I have super strong plants, can I attribute the plant health to marbles? No I can't, but if I believe this, what is the harm of adding marbles. I said this previously, adding rock dust is not going to hurt your plants, in an otherwise health soil.

 

Oltimer1 as I said, I appreciate your knowledge, but what I said above can be related to this as well can it not?

 

I agree with the general guidance, but not when it comes to rock dust, and that's true for Oltimer1 and FarmerPalmerNT. There has never been, from what I can find, a scientific, or otherwise grow test of cannabis, that either proves, or disproves, the use of rock dust as an amendment to an organic soil grow. Sorry, but it's just not there. Knock me if you will for having an opinion, based on factual information and not conjecture, that's OK, its only an opinion, and it's my opinion. If you don't agree that's fine. I don't agree from some things I have read here, but I'm not about to bash an opinion, but rather give a viable alternative based on factual information. Make sense, is that good enough for you Cambium? Don;t look at me as the bad guy for giving "my" opinion.............Think about it.........

 

You're wafflin'. In the most simple of terms, rock dust is not a plant fertilizer. Its fungi food. Fungi and other soil life are what some of us prefer to grow. The plants grow themselves, and the soil biota get fed. 

 

What if anything do you understand about fungi? Ask away if you have any questions.

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Posted (edited)

Have a look into this fella insta etc he's been building soils for canna for a long time...

 

He backs his claims up with pictures and im sure a lot of us no till practitioners have gleemed more than one bit of advice from him.

https://mountainorganics.net/p/soil

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I haven't looked at his page in months...I swear....lol

 

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18 hours ago, Newfie_Grow_Dr said:

direct attributed to rock dust,

It is directly attributed basalt dust, if you ever read any of my posts you will find me say that I am not scientist or breeder come to that, I post information that I have tried and observed, I do not rum or test under laboratory conditions, while I may not be the sharpest pencil in the pot I am pretty good at observing results, of course I ran side by side comparisons and over several years, I never reported  my findings fully. I first reported on my method of making and using a bonsai mother system on overgrow in 1999 for keeping clone mothers and producing cuttings and it was published in 2000, as with anything, methods develop over time, one of the things I sought to do was to extend the renovation  period  of the mother lines maintaining plant vitality, health and healthy root mass, a lot of this depends on maintaining a healthy rooting medium for longer.

 

The previous steps towards this was making a good organic compost and then inoculating with a good wide spectrum bacterial/fungal inoculant, each step takes many months to years of comparison to prove  repeating side by side step several times to prove if it was an improvement/retrograde or no change in which case step back one. The introduction of a little rockdust as I said above made a small but significant improvement of general plant/root health giving better root mass and extending longevity by a quarter to a third on  side by side with  previous step mothers before needing renovation treatment.

 

Now I would like to say this was done by me an amateur gardener not a scientist so can be regarded as anecdotal.

 

Now I can say In had not looked at this topic for years I only popped in because  someone mentioned there was abuse. As far as I am concerned there is never a need for name calling or attacking one another just agree to disagree please, that means all members! @buddy13 I am leaving your posts to remind you to not to indulge in future you are better than that  @Newfie_Grow_Dr please refrain from any further abuse, it is totally unnecessary and once started gets people taking sides and adds nothing to our site, the debate or advancing learning. 

 

On a quick scan through past posts it has come up several times that mums were lasting longer when rock dust was used I suppose again anecdotal.

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Looking back was I really out of order if so fuck melollollol....cunt is a term of endearment in my household.

 

 

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OK, we're back on track again I guess :)

 

I only looked at the thread to see if adding a touch of rock dust might be good and ended up wondering why people got so drawn into some kind of rock throwing contest :)

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On 26/08/2019 at 7:40 PM, Newfie_Grow_Dr said:

Thanks catweazle1. Knowledge is not for everyone, some are destined to remain ignorant. Cheers.

oh great one, tell us where we can purchase this level of narcissism?

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As an Australian and just to clarify a point @icki made - not all Aussies are inbred ha ha. I once built a fence in the country with a guy who had hands as big as dinner plates and he was questionable. He could build fences like no other though! Yes we are all bitter about Ben Stokes destroying us in the last game. Back to rock dust. 

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