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Grover Sativa

Colombian Mangobiche

Hi 420ers,

 

This lockdown summer I have been busy in my garden.

One of the real gems of the year has been a Colombian Mangobiche female I have been flowering since early June or something. She is just about coming to the last of her reflowerings now and will be ready soon.

All in, I think she will have taken the full 18 weeks or somewhere about that, by the time she has finished...

I have started harvesting the buds right in the middle of the plant as they seem ready now and also, airflow around the stem nd plant centre will help enormously with moulds. Large buds+greenhouses = moulds - almost anywhere in the world - let alone the UK!!!

The plant is a monster. I had to top her at about 7ft as that is the height of my roof in the Polycarbonate lean to she is in - she would easily have been 9ft otherwise. I started flowering her at about the 3rd internode. In fact, she was so small I considered taking her back into veg mode after a few days of light dep. as I thought she may not end up big enough. I am SO glad I did not.

 

The aromas are delicate, like all sativa of this nature, and absolutely stunning. They seem to get louder almost as soon as the flowers are cut and put to dry. They start fresh and peppery but now have developed a lot into a kind of spicy way with a lot of lavender and peppery incense and cedar wood and right at the back - sometimes - a slightly sweet unripe tropical fruit.

 

The flowers mature to a stunning purple/pink and green rainbow and are covered in tiny trichomes. The flower clusters themselves are huge and collect from the very middle of the plant right out to the massive colas at the ends. Supported by sturdy vine-like branches.  They are only foxtails. Just a massive collection of purpling, fox tailing sativa flowers. each so delicate but together like that, somewhat thug-like. Each delicately scented but together a great perfume.

The plant is a classic christmas tree - in fact, it would not look out of place in any town centre covered in tinsel around December (but for the current cultural and legal misunderstandings, of course...) vegged for any time at all and the yield is to be measured in kilos and not ounces. Even my girl will yield a fair portion of a kilo - tens of ounces. There are 22 branches. Each has enormous quantities of buds on it and a cola at the end.

 

Here are some close-ups of the delicate flowers, coming to the end of the last re-flowerings.

 

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you can see from the last photo that this is a fox-tail lovers dream plant.

 

These 2 photos were taken a while ago but you can see the plant structure well. I will try to take a new one so you can see the sheer yield she has developed!

 

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Bangobiche

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She was so stunning from such a young age and with a yield like that and flowers of such quality... she had to be outcrossed!

I needed a near pure sativa of short flowering period and uplifting effect.... I happened to have an outstanding Bangi Haze male from a different project and he fitted the bill perfectly. He was of amazing structure and candy sweet - not oniony - and with great resin, a hollow stem and strong arms. Bangi is very inbred so all the flowers are very resinous and stinky and fat (for a Congo hybrid, anyway..)

 

I hit 2 branches (as I never realised how long they would get) at an early age and the branches grew and took the pollen along with them so that all of the flowers on these branches were seeded. I got thousands of seeds in the end! I wanted to call the cross Mango Haze because of the 2 names (MANGObiche x Bangi HAZE) and because there is no current Mango Haze strain worthy of the name...(meow)  but there is very very little super silver haze in Bangi Haze now and so I plumped for Bangobiche. Funnier, anyway! I am testing them as we type/read... The cross is well conceived and I have high hopes (fingers crossed)

 

I also had a simply perfect male thai (meow thai all the way from a pack of f2 double thai from a decade ago) but I decided that this cross was just too much in terms of flowering times, stretchiness, etc.. so I went bangi instead.

 

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Although this has been one of the most interesting plants I have ever grown - and will provide smoke for 6 months or more (once cured for 6 months or more) and the quality of the aromas and flowers is second to none for a sativa lover like myself... I could not, in all honesty, recommend any UK growers to attempt this plant outdoors here. It has been a labour of love for sure. Every evening at 7.30 I carry that huge monster into a dark room and every morning at about 9 (was earlier but I am increasing the dark period as the plant progresses)I bring her back out again. That is why she is in that small pot - I would normally put a plant like that into a 100 litre pot but I have to carry that! This means that during hot dry days I have to water her twice. But in a way this is good because she gets a light feed of organic nutrients with each water - as does the organic stuff in the soil and she needs sustenance!

 

I could not recommend anybody anywhere in the world to take her on indoors. Stupid idea. That is what Bangobiche is for.

 

There is a grower who posted a log where he thinks he got a harvest in 12 weeks. Cant see that at all. It is hard to comment on another grower's experience and he seems to know what he was doing but no. Don't go by that. This is as long as cannabis gets, in terms of flowering period. I grew her with a pure thai and together they have been in my life forever but I love them both so much.

 

Enjoy the photos! I have had so much joy from growing this plant that smoking her seems almost incidental but I am sure I won't think that when the grow is 6 months in the past and I am just starting on the flowers for 6 months of future smoking... love it.

 

Cannabiogen are geniouses! Destroyer and this (as well as others...) Just insane breeding skills... and the Meow Thai pheno male I found was staggering.

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Nice plant!

:cheers:

How long you been light depping for.. since June?

And when you started the seeds?

Can’t beat a sun grown sativa!

I grew some killer hazes this year too, but I started light dep in April and they’re all down now! Not sure I’ll manage a 6 month cure though.. too impatient!

Looking forward to seeing her finish buddy!

Good luck!

 

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On 16/09/2020 at 5:20 PM, Asha605 said:

Nice plant!

:cheers:

How long you been light depping for.. since June?

And when you started the seeds?

Can’t beat a sun grown sativa!

I grew some killer hazes this year too, but I started light dep in April and they’re all down now! Not sure I’ll manage a 6 month cure though.. too impatient!

Looking forward to seeing her finish buddy!

Good luck!

 

Thanks, Asha, too kind!

 

yes, she is nice!

I think it was Early June, could have even been late May I can't remember. I have now harvested her - All the flowers went purple and there were only 1 or 2 white pistils at the top of each flower cluster - I was losing about 2 grams to moulds per day for 3 days in a row so I thought maybe that the plant is at that point where I am losing more resin each day than she is producing - ie past 'peak harvest' so I cut her down. It was a bit spontaneous so i forgot to take photos - I am sorry. In my head, I think she went 18 weeks but it is a rough count - I am sure I kept forgetting and just made it up a few times... 

 

I started the seeds just a few weeks before putting them into light dep. I only grew this one to about the 3rd internode before flowering. 

 

You are right about sun-grown sativa - they are as good as it gets. Which hazes did you grow this year? I have some Nev's Haze hybrids going at the moment (Nev's Haze x Panama) the aromas are off the charts, especially the one I call 'The Stench!' - pungent haze aromas and a massive hit of lemon underneath. I crossed her to a pure OTHaze for Triple Haze Panama seeds (A,C and Old Timer's with lemony Panama - OK, there is 6% NL5 in there too.. its all good.) Yo Sammy's 'Nevil's Haze' cut sure makes some amazing hybrids - it is an original F1 from Nevil's cross and was selected by Nevil himself in the early 90s, so that is probably no surprise. The OTHaze was from the first or maybe second release and not a recent release, so it should have more Colombian genetics in it but it was a very green pheno - so maybe not.. Can't wait to plant out the seeds and find out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hey Mr @Grover Sativa.. small world! I grew a Neville’s Haze x Killer Malawi from Sammy, and a couple of Tom Hill’s Haze x Original Haze and a straight Original Haze from MadMac. There’s pictures in my diary if you wanna see, but here’s one little teaser...

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So sorry to hear about rot! It’s such a massive WANKSHAFT!! Always at the end as well, after all your hard work!

Lost the best buds of my Nev x Malawi to steamy August bud rot too!

Nice to harvest Sativas with still some white hairs anyway I fancy.. lose some of the magic if you wait too long!

Shame no photos, but there’s always frosty dry bud shots, innit!

:cheers:

Congratulations buddy! 
Enjoy the fruits of your labours!

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4 hours ago, Asha605 said:

Hey Mr @Grover Sativa.. small world! I grew a Neville’s Haze x Killer Malawi from Sammy, and a couple of Tom Hill’s Haze x Original Haze and a straight Original Haze from MadMac. There’s pictures in my diary if you wanna see, but here’s one little teaser...

large.BEB0C02C-D9A2-4981-951D-91B6C991C7BA.jpeg

So sorry to hear about rot! It’s such a massive WANKSHAFT!! Always at the end as well, after all your hard work!

Lost the best buds of my Nev x Malawi to steamy August bud rot too!

Nice to harvest Sativas with still some white hairs anyway I fancy.. lose some of the magic if you wait too long!

Shame no photos, but there’s always frosty dry bud shots, innit!

:cheers:

Congratulations buddy! 
Enjoy the fruits of your labours!

juicy Lucy! Dude, that is budporn! I'm gonna check out that diary with some dry sieve tonight, along with the Greek sativa diary, too - love it!

I have a couple of packs of the Nev's / Malawi, I fancy using a male (or two) on 'The Stench'. I want the best of both world's with the terpenes from Panama/Nevil and the yield from Malawi/Nevil (- and loads of top quality seeds to play with and explore, too)

 

I totally agree on the harvest time thing - you don't need to wait until all of the pistils die off, especially if you like a clearer buzz. It is 'grower's tilt', of course but I harvest earlier rather than later, especially outdoors or in the greenhouse. A plant in the hand is worth 2 in the bush (? or something..) This Colombian was getting better and better, though, until a point...also, Mangobiche is known for having a classic heavy eyes syndrome at the end of the 'journey' so it should be good timing to harvest now rather than in a week..no need to enhance the sedation.

I don't usually cure for 6 months - actually, I don't really like fully cured weed - it just gets so strong after a point that it becomes hard to smoke too much without disrupting life. Especially indicas. If I harvest a Kush in October it is best at Christmas but by February I can't smoke it without falling asleep so have to sell what is left and move on. Pure sativas will depend on the work I put in. I want to experience the best terpenes that this plant can offer, though, as I won't go with Mangobiche too many times, probably (especially now I have the Bangobiche seeds I made.) I just have to make sure I have grown enough else to get me to that time (I did ;) ). The pure Thai will get the same preferential treatment this year. Actually, it has really turned me back on to Thai and Thai hybrids (..time for Destroyer? Plus I made the Cheesecake Thai seeds this season..)

 

Enjoy the Super Malawi Haze (Nevalawi) - how did it come out, aromas wise? This Panama cross has me totally re-addicted to Nev's Haze.

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