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Police raiding Plymouth shop for cannabis oil - updates

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Police raiding Plymouth shop for cannabis oil - updates

 

The owner of the shop insists that he has done nothing wrong

 

Police are carrying out a raid at a vape shop in Devonport which sells cannabis products, including CBD oil.

Ashley Cole, owner of Vaping Is Personal Plymouth, says that five officers are in his shop "seizing all products which are CBD related".

Mr Cole says he feels "victimised" and insists that "everything [in his shop] is completely legal".

Mr Cole said that officers turned up at 10am this morning with a warrant to seize products, which he claims are also sold in Holland and Barrett.

Shortly after 11am, officers remained at the premises.

 

Mr Cole said: "They are seizing everything that is CBD related.

"They are all completely lawful. We have all the correct documentation and lab reports. We've offered them samples which they've declined. It's ridiculous."

Mr Cole said that products such as CBD oil and CBD teabags are being seized.

 

We have contact Devon and Cornwall Police for more information.

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/police-seize-cannabis-oil-devonport-1987931

 

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What's the difference between cannabis oil and CBD - and is it legal?

 

As police carry out a drugs warrant on a vaping shop, we look at the current legal regulations on sellers of cannabidiol

 

While shops as established as Holland and Barrett are still selling cannabidiol (CBD) products, the issue still appears to raise confusion and controversy.

Today police raided a vape shop in Plymouth and seized several CBD-related products.

The incident has resulted in widespread discussion – and outrage from CBD advocates.

What does the law say?
According to a number of reports in the national newspapers in April this year, while cannabis oil itself remains illegal to possess, supply or use, a change in the law recognised cannabidiol as a medicine.

This was down to scientific studies into its use. In essence, the CBD ‘oil’ is now legal in the UK.

 

Home Office guidance on the matter notes that CBD, or cannabidiol, in its pure form is not controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act 1971. So, where it can be extracted and isolated from the controlled substances in cannabis it would not require a licence from the Home Office.

However, a CBD product, which contains any trace of the psychoactive compounds that are found in cannabis, such as THC, or ‘tetrahydrocannibinol’, is considered to be a controlled substance under the 1971 Act. It is therefore unlawful to possess and supply unless it fits the criteria for an ‘exempt product’ under the Misuse of Drugs Regulations 2001.

A Home Office spokesman said they were unable to comment on specific cases. They added: "It is the responsibility of retailers to ensure they have any necessary licences for products they sell."

 

The expert explains
A spokesman for the Cannabis Trades Association UK – which represents the UK’s cannabis industry – told Plymouth Live: “Full flower or bud is illegal unless processed legally by a licensed company.

“This means that hemp from a field is deseeded and the remnants of the bud can then be sold as it is no longer defined as cannabis in UK law.

 

Vaping Is Personal Plymouth

 

“Many people confuse the 0.2 percent THC level that defines hemp from marijuana and believe that this is the threshhold for legal sale but in fact any product on the marketplace today that has more than 1mg of THC is illegal.

“This is more than likely the reason why he [VIP Vaping shop owner] has had police come into the shop as all the other compliance issues that I have noticed would be dealt with by the FSA and the MRHA [Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency] as medicinal claims are being made on products that are registered as food supplements.”

 

What is Cannabis oil?


Cannabis oil is a thick, sticky, resinous substance made up of cannabinoids, such as THC and CBD, that is extracted from the cannabis plant (Cannabis sativa or Cannabis indica).

Cannabis oil is a cannabis based product obtained by separating the resins from cannabis flowers using a solvent extraction process. Cannabis oil can also be known as marijuana oil, Rick Simpson Oil (RSO), Full extract cannbais oil (FECO), hash oil, dabs, shatter, or wax.

Cannabis oil is the most potent of three main cannabis products, which are the actual cannabis flower (marijuana), resin (hashish), and oil (cannabis oil).

Cannabis oil is the most concentrated form of the three main cannabis products. That is what makes cannabis oil the most potent.

 

 

What is the difference to cannabidiol (CBD)?
Marijuana is the breed of Cannabus that contains tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), this is the chemical that produces psychotropic effects that get people "high".

Hemp is also a breed - but it's bred without THC. It's rich in cannabidiol (CBD) which is the "nonpsychoactive component of Cannabis sativa".

CBD oil does not produce a high, as it has less than 0.2% of the psychoactive ­tetra­­­hydro­­cannabinol, so it is legal in the UK.

CBD oil is used to ease the symptoms of multiple ­sclerosis, joint pain, anxiety and depression, along with a range of other conditions.

It is made by pressing hemp leaves and flowers.

The use of the word 'oil' is also misleading.

Hemp oil is available online as a food product, CBD oil contains high levels of cannabidiol and low THC, so it's seen as medicinal.

Cannabis oil is an extract and is taken orally, but it's different to the other two. The gist is cannabis oil gets people high, CBD oil doesn't.

CBD for medical purposes
In 2016, the Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) said that CBD products, if advertised for medical purposes, needed to be licensed.

CBD oil does not produce a high, as it has less than 0.2 percent of the psychoactive tetrahydrocannabinol, so it is legal in the UK.

 

 

Advocates of CBD oil claim it is used to ease the symptoms of multiple­sclerosis, joint pain, anxiety and depression, along with a range of other conditions.

In October 2016 a spokesman for the MHRA said the regulatory body, which advises the Government on legislation regarding drugs, had come to the opinion that products containing cannabidiol (CBD) “used for medical purposes are a medicine.”

As such, any medicinal product “must have a product licence (marketing authorisation) before they can be legally sold, supplied or advertised in the UK, unless exempt.

“Licensed medicinal products have to meet safety, quality and efficacy standards to protect public health.”

The MHRA said it had written to UK CBD stockists and manufacturers to inform them of their view, adding that they could provide regulatory guidance to any company who may wish to apply for a licence.

Patient safety
The following month, the MHRA added more clarity to its statement, saying it had “carefully considered the needs of individuals using CBD products to treat or manage the symptoms of medical conditions.”

They added: “Our primary concern is patient safety. In order to ensure that products remain available until individuals have the opportunity to discuss their treatment with their doctor, companies now have until 31 December 2016 to voluntarily operate within the law, by withdrawing their existing products from the market, or working with MHRA to satisfy the legal requirements of the Human Medicines Regulations 2012.”

 

Again, they stated they had written to CBD manufacturers alerting them to the new timeline.

 

 

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The following month the MHRA released a third statement stating that people taking cannabidiol products to “treat or manage the symptoms of medical conditions should discuss their treatment with their doctor.”

The MHRA said it would “now work with individual companies and trade bodies in relation to making sure products containing CBD, used for a medical purpose, which can be classified as medicines, satisfy the legal requirements of the Human Medicines Regulations 2012.”

 

What happens next?
Assuming the products used in the VIP Vapers are the same as those sold in other premises, it does raise the question as to whether more Misuse of Drugs Act warrants will be executed not just at other similar stores in Plymouth, but across the whole of England and Wales.

It also raises the question as to whether the confusion over the details of cannabidiol may mean police have made an illegal seizure.

Forensic examination of the items seized may provide a clearer explanation.

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/whats-difference-between-cannabis-oil-1988614

 

 

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Bottom Line  Plymouth Police and authority are out of touch and being lazy and not finding out the facts in...


Every Kind Of Way  By  H.E.R. (2018 next time you make love flick this on)

 

 

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That shop sells flower, I think that’s the issue. 

 

Knowing what I know of the guy I hope he gets made an example of...........

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Confiscating snake oils..from snake oil salesmen..win win.

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1 hour ago, Donkeybong said:

That shop sells flower, I think that’s the issue. 

 

Knowing what I know of the guy I hope he gets made an example of...........

 

I see some things in the pic I question the UK legality of, especially the flower. If I'm right, that would be legal in the US or Switzerland  where the allowed THC level is higher than the UK/EU, so although it may be "low THC" it's likely to be that the THC content is well above the 0.2% limit as, for example, the Orange Bud flower that is legal in Switzerland is "less than 1% THC" and that's enough to go over the legal limit.

 

Other things I see there, like the vape juices on the right, are legal at less than 0.2%, but I'll bet he's nailed bang to rights because he does have products above that limit.

 

Edit: Nope, you're right, it's the flower. Completely illegal in the UK even if it was 0.00000000001% THC. He's nailed, and it's his own fault.

 

https://www.clear-uk.org/warning-cbd-flowers-buds-weed-hash-not-legal-uk/

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5 minutes ago, Buckfacked said:

 

I see some things in the pic I question the UK legality of, especially the flower. If I'm right, that would be legal in the US or Switzerland  where the allowed THC level is higher than the UK/EU, so although it may be "low THC" it's likely to be that the THC content is well above the 0.2% limit as, for example, the Orange Bud flower that is legal in Switzerland is "less than 1% THC" and that's enough to go over the legal limit.

 

Other things I see there, like the vape juices on the right, are legal at less than 0.2%, but I'll bet he's nailed bang to rights because he does have products above that limit.

 

THC content has something to do with it but there’s a bigger legal issue for this guy. The flower of any plant from the cannabis genus is illegal in the U.K., the only parts that are legal are the seeds (bird feed,fishing etc) and the fibres (rope, bags etc) everything else is a controlled substance. It gets more complicated because the law on THC is that any supplied product must contain less than 1mg, regardless of if that’s a 0.5g or 1kg pack. The misconception about 0.2% THC comes from the classification of what is industrial hemp or cannabis, below 0.2% THC is classed as industrial hemp above is cannabis. 

 

Further complication is also added: You can take your illegal hemp flower/bud and extract all the goodies as oil, this then isn’t considered a plant so comes under the less than 1mg per package THC limit (this limit is a general limit to make it non viable for someone to put the effort into extracting the THC from a “legal” substance, think mimosa bark and DMT....) so CBD oils, distillate, isolate are all legal as there’s no issue with CBD, as long as less than 1mg THC present.

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21 minutes ago, Donkeybong said:

 

THC content has something to do with it but there’s a bigger legal issue for this guy. The flower of any plant from the cannabis genus is illegal in the U.K., the only parts that are legal are the seeds (bird feed,fishing etc) and the fibres (rope, bags etc) everything else is a controlled substance. It gets more complicated because the law on THC is that any supplied product must contain less than 1mg, regardless of if that’s a 0.5g or 1kg pack. The misconception about 0.2% THC comes from the classification of what is industrial hemp or cannabis, below 0.2% THC is classed as industrial hemp above is cannabis. 

 

Further complication is also added: You can take your illegal hemp flower/bud and extract all the goodies as oil, this then isn’t considered a plant so comes under the less than 1mg per package THC limit (this limit is a general limit to make it non viable for someone to put the effort into extracting the THC from a “legal” substance, think mimosa bark and DMT....) so CBD oils, distillate, isolate are all legal as there’s no issue with CBD, as long as less than 1mg THC present.

 

Yup, found that out which is why I edited the post.

 

The law over here is much simpler, cbd is illegal as it's an extract from a form of cannabis. Doesn't matter if it comes from hemp, as soon as you extract the cbd compound that's it.

 

So they, effectively, won't prosecute me for having one plant irrespective of it's thc level, but I can be busted for having my cbd vape juice or my 5% cbd oil.

 

Go figure.

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My last post for a wee while i want to finish this job :wassnnme: 

 

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CBD supplier hands himself into police after Devonport raid - but can't be arrested

 

Police raided Vaping Is Personal in Devonport on Monday morning after obtaining a search warrant

 

A CDB oil supplier drove three hours to hand himself in to "ill-informed" police who raided a Plymouth vape store today - to explain the products are completely legal.

But bamboozled cops declined to arrest Trevor Dodd, aged 53, over the seizure of items from Vaping Is Personal Plymouth, in Devonport.

The store is back open and insists none of the items it has ever sold have been illegal.

And Paul Moore, from UK / USA CBD Limited, which runs thcfreeweed.com and supplies the products to the Devonport shop, said: "Nobody involved in today's events sells, posseses, trades in or advocates the sale of cannabis."

What happened at Charles Cross this evening?
The supplier of cannabidiol (CBD) products to a Plymouth shop handed himself into police following a raid - but says officers refused to arrest him.

Mr Dodd, from thcfreeweed.com, the UK's biggest importer of THC free hemp fibre, travelled three hours to Plymouth today following a raid at a vape shop in Devonport which sells CBD oil.

Vaping Is Personal Plymouth was visited by multiple police officers on Monday morning, before thousands of pounds worth of products were seized.

 

Trevor is not happy the shop was raided

 

But this evening when Mr Dodd, who imports CBD flowers from Switzerland and other countries to be sold on at shops like Vaping Is Personal, handed himself him to Charles Cross Police Station to ask if they were going to arrest him, he says he was "laughed at".

He added that the products he had brought with him to show to the police station were also not seized. "He didn't even ask what they are," he said.

 

Mr Dodd said: "We import CBD flowers from Switzerland and other countries, we wholesale it and have a shop where we sell CBD-related products, which are totally, 100 per cent legal in the UK.

"Earlier today Vaping Is Personal Plymouth had their shop raided by five police officers and all their products containing CBD were seized and told they were illegal. Roughly £3,000 of stock has been confiscated.

"What we're hoping is that the police realise they were ill-informed and don't understand CBD is not a prohibited substance. We hope they understand the action they took was misguided and wrong."

Paul Moore, from UK /USA CBD Limited, which runs thcfreeweed.com, said: "Nobody involved in today's events sells, posseses, trades in or advocates the sale of cannabis.

"We have only, ever and will sell EU verified, EIHA (European industrial hemp agency) products that are freely available in all EU member states for any purpose. All of our products contain below the minimum THC content to be defined as hemp under UK law."

 

he company is the UK's biggest importer of THC free hemp fibre.

They set up a year ago and investigated the legality of these products in the UK market after seeing the flowers being sold on a small scale by around 200 vendors in the UK.

They sell industrial hemp which is imported in various formats such as oil, powder, isolated CBD and is fully legal in the UK.

What do they sell?
They supply about 200 shops in the UK with these products and they are not the only importer of such goods.

Their product is considered a food supplement, but they cannot advise that it has medicinal benefit, although many people do find benefits from the products.

Mr Moore said: "I stress, we do not advocate or supply medicinal advice. We are legally forbidden to do so and morally we would never make such claims."

What is in these products?

 

Mr Moore continued: "Our products contain CBD and trace amounts of THC which fall in line with the UK legal guidelines for pharmaceutical definitions and UK legal definitions of CBD products. Our products do not fall under the remit of the 1971 MDA (Misuse of Drugs Act).

"Our products are defined as industrial hemp and are clearly imported as such. All derivatives from such products are done so cleanly and safely using the highest grade laboratories in the EU at ISO 1 standard and above.

What tests are carried out?
"All of our products come with UKAS certified laboratory tests, are free for mould, mildew and any other contaminants.

"They are grown to GMP standards, organic with no pesticides and extracted using the most sophisticated mechanisms in the western world to allow for a clean and safe supplement to be extracted from the raw material.

Raids at shops

 

"We have never in the past year had any confusion over the legality of these products. The law is very clear. CBD is legal, in any format. Isolated format, flowers, CBD oil, CBD tea, CBD Coffee, CBD e-liquids. 

"The tolerances of THC allowed in products is up to and not over 1% THC to be considered legal. This is considered trace amounts and will not cause any psychoactive effects.

"Never once in the past year of importing this product have we seen such disregard for the legislation and such activities take place against one of our retailers.

"This is completely unheard of."

What the police said
A spokesman from Devon and Cornwall Police said initially: “Police, assisted by trading standards executed a warrant at an address on Phelps Road, Devonport, Plymouth today (10/9).

“Items have been seized for testing and police enquiries continue into this matter.”

Plymouth City Council later confirmed its Trading Standards team was not involved.

 

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/cbd-oil-plymouth-police-raid-1990566

 

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5 hours ago, bongme said:

Cannabis Trades Association UK

Eh? Who’s that then? Only 150 quid to join. Who’s behind this association? 

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11 minutes ago, assault and battery said:

Eh? Who’s that then? Only 150 quid to join. Who’s behind this association? 


Peter Reynolds is listed on their site as an "advisor"

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Oh is he? That’s a shame. I’ll ignore them then. 

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So what is there to take away from this then? 

 

Is hemp bud legal in the Uk and do all products truely have to have 0%,thc

 

If so how do they get it out? 

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18 hours ago, sterling-archer said:

So what is there to take away from this then? 

 

Is hemp bud legal in the Uk and do all products truely have to have 0%,thc

 

If so how do they get it out? 

 

As pointed out above, the flower is illegal. Full stop

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4 hours ago, Buckfacked said:

 

As pointed out above, the flower is illegal. Full stop

 

That sucks, I have been reading about co2 extraction alot recently and playing with the idea of getting a permit to produce CBD oil

 

I wonder if its no longer illegal if you get the permission to cultivate it as you have to work with its raw form to process it. 

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