catweazle1 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 7 minutes ago, latigid aikon said: What if the compost has nutrients in it and only needs water throughout the veg period? That is how a lot of people on here grow. Hard water nutrients only provide sufficient minerals when used at full strength. Epsom salts is much easier to buy, it is sold in high street shops and chemists for such a low price that cost is irrelevant to this discussion. Do you think it makes any difference to the plants? All you can come up with is price, and Epsom salts is MUCH cheaper than Canna Mono Mg so what's your point? All we're trying to do is save people a few quid, all you're doing is looking for arguments, I know you have a reputation to uphold so I expect more of the same. The only difference between mono and heptahydrate is 6 molecules of water. When it's all going into a solution anyway it means diddly-squat.. You've just got to account for the x.7h20 when calculating Mg level. Edited January 29 by catweazle1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigid aikon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 27 minutes ago, catweazle1 said: it means diddly-squat.. Maybe it does if you're a farmer buying it in 20kg bags 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 So I guess I’m paying Grows Ark to test my water and give us all a definitive answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scroggersean Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 9 hours ago, Saddam said: Perhaps you'd like to explain to this member why his plants are fucked? It would appear they've taken your advice which, let's face facts, is pretty shit because adding MG to every single feed is just asking for trouble. While Owderb fed once while using this Beanstalk amendment, this guy is dosing Epsoms like it's going out of fashion and even adding cal/mag on top of that? Unless they think Epsoms is cal/mag, which it most definitely isn't. Anyway, cleanup on aisle 4. Enjoy Lol did you read a word I posted, or did you just read the title and think you knew what was written? On what planet are my plants fucked? Im starting to get a few deficiencies on 2 plants that are using Beanstalk crf. Its 100% to do with the Beanstalk since the other 3 plants that are being fed with Shogun nutes are banging. I didnt take anyones advice, ive been growing for 18 years now. If you had bothered to read the thread, I quite clearly stated that its a homemade monomag solution. Not sure how you could possibly think im using what I quite clearly stated was monomag as a cal/mag substitute, maybe English isnt your first language. 250g epsom salts in 1 litre of water is a pretty basic homemade monomag. Growers have been using it since the 70s at least, and since ive been using it in my coco grows without issue for about 10 years now, id say you dont actually have a clue what youre talking about. Adding magnesium to every feed is required when growing in coco with 6mg/l of magnesium. So is having a 3:1 ratio of calcium to magnesium. So is having at least 50mg/l of calcium in your water. These arent opinions, they are demonstrable facts. Just because you dont know them doesnt make them any less true. Owderb used clones vegged for 2 weeks in his grow. Im using seeds vegged for 8 weeks. Also, maybe you dont understand the basics of geography, but im not using the same water source as Owd. Maybe his water has a perfect cal-mag ratio. Mine doesnt. Thats 1 week into flower in a 5x5 tent. What exactly about this grow looks fucked to you? Perhaps you should actually learn what youre talking about before trying to educate other people. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NezA Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 23 hours ago, NormanNugget said: So I guess I’m paying Grows Ark Fuck Growers Ark. Terra Aquatica all the way I mentioned pros and cons earlier, getting HW formulated nutes takes all the thinking out of it it's all done for you just follow the feed charts at around half strength and adjust if plants start to look hungry. If you go down the add mag yourself route you'll have to dial it in the extra effort will possibly save you money in the long term but it might turn out to be a bit of a faff. For a new grower removing as many variables as possible is what I'd tend towards hence my recommendation of a HW formulated feed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Thanks @NezA. Just checked out Terra Aquatica and don’t see any HW options for soil. Would I need to contact them to get specialist formulas for HW? I’m fairly happy to try with the Epsom Salts and bother you poor souls on here if I run into trouble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NezA Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I use their dual part which can be used in Soil, Coco and Hydro. The feed chart on the bottle tells you what to add for each stage of growth for each medium. Just make sure you follow the soil feed chart. Nice and simple 2 bottles and that's everything you need no additional lotions or potions. Less is more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 30 Author Share Posted January 30 Thanks again @NezA. I already have the BioBizz grow and bloom so will start out with that. If I see issues I’ll look at getting some HW dual part. I guess I’ll be ok to switch out nutes part way through a grow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NezA Posted January 30 Share Posted January 30 I wouldn't recommend it, on paper it should be fine but you never know how 2 different formulations might interact. Finish what you've started and start afresh on the next run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Manalishi Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Biobizz recommends replacing Bio Grow with Fish mix for the veg cycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 @The Green Manalishi thanks mate, I assume you mean because of the hard water? Is it better to keep the fish mix when you add in bloom or grow & bloom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Green Manalishi Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Use fish mix throughout veg, and switch over to bloom for flowering, while flowering you can supplement with some Bio grow, these are organic nutes and take time to break down and become available to the plant regardless of what type of water you have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 Thanks, noted. I’ll grab a bottle of fish mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
le0n.v6 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) Reading this made me intrigued as to what was actually in this areas tap water (very hard, 0.8 ec out the tap) is that 400ppm of mag?? and 162 of cal? from going on what I've read on this forum and a few others both of them figures are abit excessive aint they? The water report is off my suppliers site, would growers ark supply any additional useful info or are these numbers the only i'll need for getting an accurate dose of calmag to the plants? in coco/perlite using canna products any help with this appreciated, sorry for hijacking Edited February 20 by le0n.v6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shumroom Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 mg is milligrams Mg is magnesium There’s no Magnesium reported there @le0n.v6 Atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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