Saddam Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Thanks for not quoting my entire post in your reply. Anyone taking your advice should take a gander at your plants first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle1 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Saddam said: Thanks for not quoting my entire post in your reply. Anyone taking your advice should take a gander at your plants first. That's fine. That's what counts at the end of the day. Those are records of my progress... warts and all. Edited January 29 by catweazle1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saddam Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Try fixing your own warts before you spread them to other unsuspecting growers. Your advice is poor and your plant husbandry needs so much work yet your stubbornness won't allow you to accept when you're wrong so it's not even worthwhile trying to put you on the right track. Also, despite me asking several times for you to not to quote my entire posts in your replies you persist with this fuckwittery so I'm going to put you on ignore now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Military Grade Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 4 hours ago, Saddam said: because adding MG to every single feed is just asking for trouble. I've been doing this for about 3 years no problems I live in the hardest Water area in the UK but use regular nutes, so probably why it works fine, I don't even measure the Mg or know what the exact calcium level of my water, just winging it and it works. About ¼ tea spoon pre 3L of water. Edited January 29 by Military Grade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saddam Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 There's quite a lot of a difference between 2ml per litre and a quarter teaspoon per 3 litres though. If I'm mixing 25 litres of feed then according to catweazel's 'formula' I'd be whacking in 50ml of liquid Epsom salts into the bucket, that's on top of the nutes. @Military Grade Jebus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigid aikon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Saddam said: I've seen you proffer this 250g in a litre of water nonsense in more than one thread and it's just not on. You've misunderstood that entirely. That is a recipe to make a home made version of a product called Canna Mono MG. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle1 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) Thanks Latigid. 1tsp is 5g/5000mg. Per Military Grade, he is using a quarter of a teaspoon... 1250mg in 3L. That's 412mg total . The recipe I posted adds 500mg or 64mg Mg. Military grade is adding slightly less. Edited January 29 by catweazle1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 @NormanNugget do you still have the lid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saddam Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 8 minutes ago, latigid aikon said: You've misunderstood that entirely. No I haven't. I know how to make a suspension and how to use one, I also kinda do the opposite with pH down and make a dilute mix which doesn't send the pH to the floor when I'm adding it to the nutes. I think you'll find that it's you who've misunderstood. Epsom salts are heptahydrate and not monohydrate aka kieserite which is what's inside a bottle of Canna mono Mg. What you are making using this recipe is hydra Mg, which you should be putting in your bath or a foot spa. What I'm having problems with is this fella telling everyone to add this Mg mix in numerous threads like it's a cure-all for sick plants, going so far as advising they add ridiculous quantities to every single feed without any clue as to what they're doing, claiming they're 'correcting the water'. Do you supplement Mg in veg? I don't think I have, ever. Companies spend lots of time and money developing these Canna specific nutrients for hard or soft water and believe it or not most of them work pretty well in the right hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shumroom Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Who here is using LEDs? Atb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigid aikon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 19 minutes ago, Saddam said: What you are making using this recipe is hydra Mg, which you should be putting in your bath or a foot spa. Are you claiming the heptahydrate is not suitable for horticulture? If not why not? 21 minutes ago, Saddam said: Do you supplement Mg in veg? Yes. 21 minutes ago, Saddam said: Companies spend lots of time and money developing these Canna specific nutrients for hard or soft water and believe it or not most of them work pretty well in the right hands. You think Mono Mg is any better than Epsom salts? Why is it better? I'd rather not pay money for transporting water unnecessarily. It's £10-£15 plus shipping for 1 litre, how much do you think 250g of Epsom salts costs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saddam Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Again, you've misunderstood. With decent Canna-specific nutes tailored for HW or SW you shouldn't really need to use Mg, and certainly not in the amounts being advised here. Yes I think kieserite is better than Epsom salts, it's literally used everywhere in horticulture and agriculture plus it's way cheaper, a 20kg bag will cost you about £30. Do you think Canna Mono Mg is water mixed with Epsom salts or kieserite? If Epsoms gave the best bang for buck then every farmer in the world would use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, yan said: @NormanNugget do you still have the lid? Haha, always good to see some opposing views… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NormanNugget Posted January 29 Author Share Posted January 29 (edited) @Saddam @catweazle1 A quick Google tells me that the plants would like around 75mg/l of magnesium, and following the 3:1 ratio 225mg/l calcium. If this is correct, the 64mg as per catweazles recipe, added to the 8.6mg supposedly in my water makes up 73.6mg - which should be ideal. I have 69mg of calcium however, which I suppose could be problematic, then would I need to add around 165mg of calcium? In terms of cost and which is better, tbh I don’t care, the cost for Epsom salts vs kieserite is negligible in the quantities I would be using. Edited January 29 by NormanNugget Ratio wrong way round! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latigid aikon Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, Saddam said: With decent Canna-specific nutes tailored for HW or SW you shouldn't really need to use Mg What if the compost has nutrients in it and only needs water throughout the veg period? That is how a lot of people on here grow. Hard water nutrients only provide sufficient minerals when used at full strength. 16 minutes ago, Saddam said: Yes I think kieserite is better than Epsom salts, it's literally used everywhere in horticulture and agriculture plus it's way cheaper, a 20kg bag will cost you about £30. Epsom salts is much easier to buy, it is sold in high street shops and chemists for such a low price that cost is irrelevant to this discussion. 19 minutes ago, Saddam said: Do you think Canna Mono Mg is water mixed with Epsom salts or kieserite? Do you think it makes any difference to the plants? All you can come up with is price, and Epsom salts is MUCH cheaper than Canna Mono Mg so what's your point? All we're trying to do is save people a few quid, all you're doing is looking for arguments, I know you have a reputation to uphold so I expect more of the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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