Different strains same buzz?

[purepotstill]

48 minutes ago, GSZZ said:

 

You're never going to find the greens blues and purples in the splodge of brown. If you actually want complex cannabis then stay the fuck away from almost all US hype breeders, Auto$ems, and Eurotrash verities cos its mostly the same boring squinty eyed bland stone.

 

@blackpoolbouncer: as you growed a few autos, do you agree with what @GSZZsaid ? All autos produce the same kind of high ? Is it the same with all feminized seeds ? Got some Dinafem Super Silver which is 90% Sativa, can I hope for a real Sativa trip, whatever it means ? Or should I go regular (which I hope it's not necessary, as planting more seeds and sexing them seems a bit of a pita...).

 

Got to thanks @Slippy Onefor this thread, got a bunch of question and things to think about now.

[McHazy]

I would be dubious that any auto could give a proper sativa high that's not to say all auto's are shite cause they not but getting a proper sativa high from something that is usually seed to harvest in maybe 10-11 weeks tops is expecting a bit much imo

[Slippy One]

I think it’s true once you wakenbake that’s it for flavours and different highs for the rest of the day. Not sure I’ve ever had a pure sativa, but if I did I could probably vape it until couchlock..I feel like I’m just chasing flavours at times, all the strains I’ve had lately give me the exact same buzz. It must be a tolerance thing..  

 

 

[Renard]

I find the notion of needing a low tolerance quite counter intuitive. 
 

Heavy Sativas are known to be overpowering for novel users, as would be a heavy Indica. One would send you halfway psychotic while the other one borders on narcosis.

 

The reason strains like A5 Haze or Deep Chunk were created and sought after are their unique highs. They are not easy to work with, do not produce well, are hard to source and they are expensive. Quite the opposite of all commercial strains, apart from the price tag.

[Military Grade]

All about cannabinoids ratio's, a lot of todays strains lack a lot of them.

[Slippy One]

I'm haunted by a Tommy Chong interview where he said he's not been 'stoned' for decades. He just smokes for flavour. And he's a weed kingpin now..

 

 

[JockBudman]

20 hours ago, Slippy One said:

I know early harvest produces a nice up stone, just short lasting. I'm sure a move towards more sativa leaning, long finishing strains Dr Grinspoon etc, but there's a lot to chose from. I also stumbled onto an article that said some haze strains are mislabelled as kush and visa versa. I'm just after something different, but the skeptical part of me has a hunch they're all identical on me. Like coffee you know, different beans, roasts but same caffeine buzz?

 

 

 

 

Am a pure sativa guy these days for the most part, although ah keep a few pure indicas on hand for bed time an do the odd hybrid now an then for guaranteed weight an tae get through the free beans - just chuck some in tae fill gaps after males come out.

 

Ah'd recommend zamaldelica an Panama frae Ace as the top ones ah've had so far. Well, OT Haze is actually at the top spot, but your lookin at a 5 month flower time tae crop fuck all - ah got 10g per plant in 5l compost under a 250w hps plus 225w led combo. OT is really more a preservation an breedin thing an for people like me that love the effect an don't mind the poor yield.

Panama came in about 11-13 due tae cold early last year an the zamaldelica is about the same. Big advantage is they'll stretch like a bastard so you can stick them intae flower as soon as you're gettin roots at the drainage holes even if they're no massive. They'll still get bigger than you think.

 

Worth lookin at Real Seed Company for landrace sativas as well, but they need way more work tae get a good one. Ace an cannabiogen are the best two for sat lines that are well worked an pure (check descriptions though, some have been hacked wi indicas) 

 

Ah was a bit like you about the sativas until ah did the pure lines in the last few years. It's night an day tae me, ah can't even really enjoy sativa dom hybrids ah used tae rave about coz ah'm just wantin the clear, happy, trippy high of a zamaldelica or haze.

[JockBudman]

Just a wee additional note - over the years ah've seen many people pass over the pure sativas coz they see a flower time at 12-16 weeks an flap about it. But ah found a load of the 8-10 week indy hybrids needed a longer veg, up tae 6 weeks tae get a decent size plant tae flower. Then they need the extra 2 weeks at the end coz most breeders give a low estimate.

 

As ah said above, some of these sats can go in flower after only a few weeks an some are even recommended tae go straight tae 12/12 - some OT haze apparently won't even sex until your on 11 on 13 off (ah just run that as standard flower timin now) 

In fact, before ah did the Panama ah looked up the daylight times in Panama itself an found they have 13/11 in spring, 12/12 around summer an hit about 11/13 in autumn. Nae 18/6 tae be found.

 

Point is that a long flower time means fuck all. You could stick a slow veg kush an a pure sativa in dirt same day an end up croppin same day just coz the kush needs more time tae veg.

 

Grow styles vary an that, but that's been ma experience over the years.

[Slippy One]

@JockBudman, insightful stuff indeed, I'll be checking those beans out soon. Interesting that I thought hybrids were a bit samey, as others do, there's plenty of perpenes but not much different stone wise. As many hybrids grow quite well outdoors in the UK, makes sense to leave the indoor setups for equatorial sativas only. I don't mind 12-14 weeks to flower with low yields if the high is more invigorating..  

 

[Cajafiesta]

I've been contemplating this concept for a while, lately. I'm in the states, as that's relevant to this discussion.  It's definitely a majority "brown palette" here.  This concept alone is responsible for me obsessing over "landrace" sativas and spending a small fortune collecting seeds.  It's also led to me self-shining a spotlight on my inadequacies as a fledgling grower.  

 

I'm a daily smoker, have been now for the better part of probably 5 years or so.  I get a one week break every 2-3 weeks due to work obligations. The 3-4 days after that one week break is my main window of "judgement."  I intentionally force feed myself 2-3 joints of a new strain when I come off these breaks to get a clear-headed judgement of the high.

 

Everything is 80% the same.  I try to smoke anything new before researching it.  Sort of a litmus test to see if I judge effects accurately and assign the high characteristics from my perception that match reality.  I'm getting accurate at it.  Sort of a " ok, this feels Broad Leaf, but there's a slight up in the head.  It hits first thing on the top of my head, I bet this is Narrow Leaf leaning, but only slightly."  Then look up the genetics and see if I'm accurate.  I'm getting to be about 60-70% accurate in my perception, if Leafly etc are to be trusted.  What I notice, though, is that even the "sativa dominant" hybrids don't FEEL particularly alert.  They just feel tingly in the head, maybe more clear behind the eyes, but there's never the "caffeine" sort of energy and blossoming psychological effects. The only "mass market" stuff that's hit me with an degree of "this might actually be Narrow Leaf" was a single bag of Jack Wreck and some Durban Poison (most likely hybridized.  Seeds were sourced from the US.) That I grew.

 

I've got a stockpile of "mystery" outdoor grown stuff from an older fella.  It's junk in appearance and smell. Looks like grass clippings, smells like hay, dry and crunchy.  ( it was way cheap, though...?) Not potent and not long lasting, but the stone is probably the most "sativa" I've experienced in a bag of purchased product. Very clear-headed.  Very productive.  You just have to burn up a damn sausage-sized spliff to get anywhere.  But once you do that, get ready to clean the house and pull all that shit out of your storage room to reorganize.  For about 45 mins.  Then it's gone.  But the stone is favorable.  Allegedly, the grower has been using his own seed stock for decades, so it's plausible that it could actually be some old sativa genetics, just poorly grown and managed.

 

 

So that has lead me to attempting a Lao Sativa.  What a different thing this is to grow.  SUPER slow and looks as if it isn't going to flower much at all. Also likely not going to yield much at all.  I asked for grow advice from the source of the seeds too late.  Pretty sure I'm stressing the shit out of this particular Lao plant.  It's still alive, though.   I'm learning, and I'm hopeful to experience something new.   

 

 

Seems like this is a trend on here-- people perceiving a lot of varieties to produce a very similar effect.  I've definitely noticed it. 

 

I hope to create the opportunity for myself to experience something new.

 

I hear a LOT of love for the old thai stuff and various other Narrow Leaf stuff that was floating around in the late 60s-80s.  

 

I want to experience what all the reverence is about. 

[Larry Badgeley]

I scored a bag of Thai weed in Bangkok in 1990 which was THE most powerful smoke I've had the fortune to smoke. We had half a joint before we left our hotel room and didn't sit down for a few hours. When we did sit down for a drink it was still buzzing our brains out. It was absolutely fantastic.

[Exhale]

@Larry Badgeley Proper Thai is awesome, we scored some primo in Laos after we stopped looking, typical  as it was all we had we were chonging it at night sat around a fire getting paranoid at all the jungle noises  Gibbons were class though we were howling back at them at one point, well the bird I was banging in the tent was  

 

 

[Slippy One]

I have 5 standard Panama, Zamaldelica, and 3 Bangi haze to find a single mum from this winter. These are all from Ace Seeds who seem to specialise in narrow leaf. I'm guessing there'll be around 5 mums in total to flower them all to make sure the selected mum is a winner, I'm hoping the biggest yielder is the best, but it's always those whispy looking buds thats knock your feet off..

 

[silvester growdrobe]

@Cajafiesta

I think any amount of indica in the mix stops that pure satty 'upness' even if only a little. Good luck with your grow, that's probably a more extreme sativa than I'd ever have the balls or space to try! 

@Exhale I had a similar experience in Costa Rica, scored some weed, rolled up and sat on our porch in the pitch black jungle night. Freaked the fuck out. There's a lot of noise in them forests at night. 

My girlfriend was convinced the guy we rented the place off was setting us up and was going to come back and wear our skin!  Needless to say, I loved it!

[Cajafiesta]

@silvester growdrobe ironic- I just peeked at the Lao plant and it’s gone herm. I dunno how I missed it. Just chopped it down. 
 

so much for that experiment. Onward and upward. I will retry, adjusting in an attempt for success on round two.