childofmelee Posted July 31, 2023 Author Share Posted July 31, 2023 Just now, Erbman T said: Don’t ! Yeah I'm starting to confuse myself now 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erbman T Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Run them all it’s the only way to be safe 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erbman T Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 (edited) I will say tho jus for lurkers RGSC’s have a range that trigger and finish way earlier than the Sweet Seeds Fast versions pretty much all the Sweet Seeds Fast Versions are mid to late Oct finishers .. apart from Red Mandy which was a little earlier RGSC also have some later finishers to … I like to run a selection of strains that mature at slightly different times .. it’s in the later phase of flowering the risk of rot increases massively, roll the dice and try beat the weather … more likely to get something in.. also a staggered harvest for me means I don’t burn out my scissor fingers to quick … or overload my lines haha horses for courses Auto, Semi Auto, Fast, Photoperiod roll them out, roll them in…. Raw hide !! Edited July 31, 2023 by Erbman T 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erbman T Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) One after thought I said Sweet Seeds Fast Versions finish mid to late Oct… well that’s at my Lat where I am at in the UK got a mate up North who says the Sweets FV’s don't finish at his Lat so he doesn’t bother with them and sources Earlier genetics instead So triggering is mostly dependant on Latitude (tho there are other factors), Where as ‘Fast’ might help you if it triggers early enough. Childofmelee aren’t you in NZ ? Just looked. Interweb says u around Latitude 40 ? Stuff should trigger well early over there I’m guessing. Was just looking, says Sept - Nov = Spring, Dec - Feb = Summer & March - May = Fall …. Interesting To actually answer your question tho. My personal experience was never good with growing ‘Early’ versions in the UK. Though ‘Semi Autos’ & ‘Fast versions’ revolutionised the game for me. Edited August 1, 2023 by Erbman T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brock1 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 8 hours ago, Erbman T said: Haha this debate again for the ten millionth time From what I remember I first saw the term Early used for Early Girl , Early Pearl & Early Skunk … in the Sensi Seed bank catalog way back before the internet was a thing… Don’t think they had Ruderalis in those. They were just ‘Early’ flowering photoperiods… i grew Early Skunk from Sensi seeds outdoors way back .. it didn’t finish for me .. so not ‘Early’ enough they did offer Ruderalis Skunk and Ruderalis Indica .. never tried them i only found out about the term Semi auto and Fast version category since stumbling upon this site ah I use to drool at my Sensi Seed bank catalog .. now I’m living it agree with Uber about the Green Poison FV. Tho I’m a fan of Tropicana Poison Fv. Got a few of those out again. Gorrilla Girl Fv pretty good.. few others on this site like the Killer Kush Fv. I grew Red Mandarine Fv, impressive looking and early but a bit too weak for me so took it off the list this year … Yes the Sweet Seeds Fast Versions have an auto in them The old Early, Semi auto, Fast version debate .. never gets old throw UEL in there for a wild card All of these had Ruderalis in them snd they were all originally listed under SSSC before sensi was a thing. None of them were listed as a fast version anything. Even when people like me, LBH, KrK, stitch, ect started working with auto's. I started in 2003 & i think the others were around this time also semi auto & fast versions were not s thing. They were photo neutral, photo sensitive & photo period. Infact pre joint doctor I don't think auto flowering was a thing. Anyway joint doctors lowryder was something silly like F58 apparently at the time he released it & breed to be fast flowering. So everything hit would produce fast flowering photoperiod strain F1. So the fast version was born but never maintained. Most modern auto's don't produce anything fast anymore. Its really sad how a lot of unregulated cannabis breeder's just make names up for shit they don't understand to market it as through they have a clue what their talking about. Better still the first & a pioneer in the industry 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brock1 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 9 hours ago, childofmelee said: Do semi auto's rely on the reduction of daylight hours (like photoperiods) or are semi autos day neutral (like autos)? Semi auto just contain the mutated gene that caused auto flowering along side a health gene. It may have absolutely no effect on flowering & still be a semi auto. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofmelee Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Erbman T said: One after thought I said Sweet Seeds Fast Versions finish mid to late Oct… well that’s at my Lat where I am at in the UK got a mate up North who says the Sweets FV’s don't finish at his Lat so he doesn’t bother with them and sources Earlier genetics instead So triggering is mostly dependant on Latitude (tho there are other factors), Where as ‘Fast’ might help you if it triggers early enough. Childofmelee aren’t you in NZ ? Just looked. Interweb says u around Latitude 40 ? Stuff should trigger well early over there I’m guessing. Was just looking, says Sept - Nov = Spring, Dec - Feb = Summer & March - May = Fall …. Interesting To actually answer your question tho. My personal experience was never good with growing ‘Early’ versions in the UK. Though ‘Semi Autos’ & ‘Fast versions’ revolutionised the game for me. I'll have two grow areas, one at latitude 38 and one at latitude 39. Germination will be last week of October, flowering will take place 1st - 7th of February and I don't really have a choice but to harvest somewhere between 1st-7th of April because it's non-stop rain after that. So I've got an 8 week window for flowering at the most. Do you know what early genetics your mate sources? Edited August 1, 2023 by childofmelee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofmelee Posted August 1, 2023 Author Share Posted August 1, 2023 3 hours ago, brock1 said: Semi auto just contain the mutated gene that caused auto flowering along side a health gene. It may have absolutely no effect on flowering & still be a semi auto. I think I understand now. It contains a mutated auto gene that may or may not have an effect on flowering but is still an semi-auto. The Real Seed Company sell an Egyptian landrace called Sinai and the description says it is early maturing and can show day neutral ('semi autoflowering’) traits. I take that to mean it is a photoperiod carrying the mutated gene so some plants could be day neutral. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erbman T Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, brock1 said: joint doctors lowryder Yea when I was drooling over the Sensi Seed Bank Catalog back in the early to mid 90’s I hadn’t heard any talk of Auto’s just the name Ruderalis and it’s attributes.. but like I say didn’t have internet. Had a few high times mags to drool at to but nothing like we got now knew a few fellas that started to talk about Lowryders at a later point but they seemed shit only til coming on this site did I bother to try grow an auto .. certainly come along now than what I’d seen/heard of the lowryder interesting info. You been in it for a while now it sounds. Cool what does SSSC stand for ? ok edit = jus did an internet search = Super Sativa Seed Club .. interestingly linked to high times which was my other source for Ganja porn Edited August 1, 2023 by Erbman T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erbman T Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, childofmelee said: Do you know what early genetics your mate sources? Anything truly ‘Early’ he can get his hands on it seems. Runs Autos. Breeds some things, ‘Semi Auto’ etc etc …. Nordic genetics, RGSC …all of it as long as it’s truly ‘Early’ (but with some mould resistance) we are getting spoilt for choice these days what ya wanna factor in as well as ‘Earliness’ is mould resistance… as there are a fair few ‘Early’ strains now that are ‘Early/Fast/Semi Auto’ etc etc that rot out really Easy … haa have fun.. gotta balance the attributes .. it’s like that top trumps game Edited August 1, 2023 by Erbman T 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brock1 Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 3 hours ago, Erbman T said: Anything truly ‘Early’ he can get his hands on it seems. Runs Autos. Breeds some things, ‘Semi Auto’ etc etc …. Nordic genetics, RGSC …all of it as long as it’s truly ‘Early’ (but with some mould resistance) we are getting spoilt for choice these days what ya wanna factor in as well as ‘Earliness’ is mould resistance… as there are a fair few ‘Early’ strains now that are ‘Early/Fast/Semi Auto’ etc etc that rot out really Easy … haa have fun.. gotta balance the attributes .. it’s like that top trumps game Super sativa seed collective was originally the first seedbank owned by Nevelle Schoenmaker. Its not the same as the one avaliable today. Interested that your putting together the fast versions that actually flower fast often have early mould problems to. Often this starts at the internode calyx over ripening before the bud site calyx clusters. Sometimes removal can stop this in certain lines but it doesn't work on them all. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigofthedank Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 I am no expert but I have some seeds I cooked up using gg2 male, a solid early finisher it’s own right and some Canadian bits that I chose the quickest to show pre flowers, the run I did later was all done 1st week to 3rd week of September I am a firm believer in mass planting and sorting and selecting the ones with the desirable traits i.e early finishing, mould resistance, how quick they triggered etc and breeding these than adding auto into the mix as I do not know where to start and people like @brock1 are doing a sterling job!! for me next seasons breeding will be similar to @Revive mission this season and will be using subbies for flavour and also some other select vars and hitting them with my gg2 pollen, and am considering sprouting some fresh “early grape berry’s” to add to the mix of male pollen and try and bring the desirable traits of both close together and hopefully speed things up in the process!! this year has opened my eyes to autos as I was using them wrong and since changing my approach was lucky and reaped some early bonus smoke They are a different animal and needed to be treated so to get the most, i am a confessed auto newbie so am gonna try and get to grips with them 1st i have a few RGSC fast versions out and one of my fast lemon cakes is in flower, I am almost 99% sure it’s due to partial shading from the big girls next to her, so there could be some truth in early triggering from shadowing, I have also had plants go into flower through becoming root bound in fabric pots, so I am sure some are just prone to flipping Anyway keep you updated on the all important smoke test as that’s what it’s all about!! Big love stig 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmacca Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Mighty freeze is an early one mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
childofmelee Posted August 2, 2023 Author Share Posted August 2, 2023 5 hours ago, Stigofthedank said: I am no expert but I have some seeds I cooked up using gg2 male, a solid early finisher it’s own right and some Canadian bits that I chose the quickest to show pre flowers, the run I did later was all done 1st week to 3rd week of September I am a firm believer in mass planting and sorting and selecting the ones with the desirable traits i.e early finishing, mould resistance, how quick they triggered etc and breeding these than adding auto into the mix as I do not know where to start and people like @brock1 are doing a sterling job!! for me next seasons breeding will be similar to @Revive mission this season and will be using subbies for flavour and also some other select vars and hitting them with my gg2 pollen, and am considering sprouting some fresh “early grape berry’s” to add to the mix of male pollen and try and bring the desirable traits of both close together and hopefully speed things up in the process!! this year has opened my eyes to autos as I was using them wrong and since changing my approach was lucky and reaped some early bonus smoke They are a different animal and needed to be treated so to get the most, i am a confessed auto newbie so am gonna try and get to grips with them 1st i have a few RGSC fast versions out and one of my fast lemon cakes is in flower, I am almost 99% sure it’s due to partial shading from the big girls next to her, so there could be some truth in early triggering from shadowing, I have also had plants go into flower through becoming root bound in fabric pots, so I am sure some are just prone to flipping Anyway keep you updated on the all important smoke test as that’s what it’s all about!! Big love stig Yeah I've had a blue cheese go into flowering early in a fabric pot due to being root bound, the other blue cheese plants I had in the ground went into flowering at the normal time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stigofthedank Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 Just now, childofmelee said: Yeah I've had a blue cheese go into flowering early in a fabric pot due to being root bound, the other blue cheese plants I had in the ground went into flowering at the normal time. think this further aids in traits to look for man, cheers @childofmelee a similar situational for me in the fabrics buzzing to get breeding for the great British outdoors big love man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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