Will decomposing fish remains heat up the soil or harm my plants?

[MindSoup]

@blackpoolbouncer well that's cleared that up. I have to say veganism has never made sense to me, how is a plants life worth more than an animal? And do they not realise we use manure and insecticides to produce fruit and veg? Then there's the twat eating a south American Avocado while they tell me how bad for the environment my local grass fed steak is . To me it just shows how disconnected people have become from where food comes from. Hats of to people for trying, just seems misguided to me. 

 

Edited October 21, 2021 by MindSoup

[blackpoolbouncer]

Just now, MindSoup said:

And do they not realise we use manure and insecticides to produce fruit and veg?

Technically veg that has manure in isn't vegan because its an animal by product. Same as fish head of bone meal.

 

Which is fucking daft that you can't use the shit from a cow yet there millions of little critters shitting away in soil. It makes no sense.

 

Don't want to harm creatures.........good luck putting a spade in the ground 

[MindSoup]

Just now, blackpoolbouncer said:

Technically veg that has manure in isn't vegan because its an animal by product. Same as fish head of bone meal.

 And the look on people's faces when I explain thats how 99% of supermarket veg is grown is priceless

[i11]

The majority of veg and salads you can buy here in Ireland, especially out of season, are imported from Dutchland. And the majority of them are grown hydro in greenhouses. So I guess I'm more vegan than I thought.

[Phillybonker]

15 hours ago, blackpoolbouncer said:

Don't know what it's like where you are but be careful you don't attract something that will dig it up because of the smell like foxes.

 

Whenever I lose an animal on the farm that doesn't have to be destroyed gets buried under a tree that means something or next to a fruit tree. 

Don't be going chucking buckets in each hole. A fish is a powerful fertiliser 

 

The victorians said you should kill a pig for the grape vine.

In my grow area only rats are expected, I'll dig decent holes.

 

I was going to load up my spots good with fish remains but didn't know I could over do it.  The fish remains will be going between plants that are going to be planted 3 metres apart.

[Phillybonker]

14 hours ago, MindSoup said:

Luckily NZ doesn't have any native mammals, and the government are pretty hell bent on killing off the non natives. They literally drop poison from helicopters, which sparks differing opinions, but is generally considered a necessary evil, you see signs warning not to let dogs off the lead when they've done a drop. Even the school kids are out trapping possums . They're really trying hard to undo the damage done, they even check all your luggage for muddy boots/seeds/banana peels. 

 

Possums are the biggest pest threat to cannabis plants here.  My plants will be all caged until they grow to one metre tall.

 

Only areas that are 100% free of possums are where the Government have done poison drops and unfortunately that doesn't include my grow area.  

[DutchFox]

On 21-10-2021 at 0:20 AM, Phillybonker said:

 

That's a good trick!

 

Growing season and fishing season happen at the same time here, so for the next 5 or so months my planting spots are going to get a lot of fish remains.  

 

as you have all the time to prep....and dig holes....i would....

 

do the fish in the bottom of the hole...

 

 

 

if you dig a hole example  50x50x50 cm....is 125 liter

 

mix with 1 thea cup of dried chicken manure per 10 liter soil mix. ( no more...no less...mix well )

so in this case 12.5 teacups 

 

and let the nature do the work....manure will trigger gound life and attrackt and multiply worms....and will make a perfect hole for your plant !!!

 

in next year...just top dress 50% of dried chickenmanure in jan/feb....so in this case 6.25 teacup.

 

dried chicken manure has 4/3/3 NPK

10% of weight is calcium

has all micro elements for your plant.

 

good luck !

 

Edited November 10, 2021 by DutchFox

[MindSoup]

@DutchFox he's in New Zealand mate.

[HazyHashMan]

I remember seeing a side by side grow of tomatoes using fish heads with and without. The plant with the fish head grew slower to begin with (probably in part to the fish head being freshly buried) But as the season went on the one with the fish head took over once it broke down a bit and kept producing tomatoes way later into the season vs the one without the fish

[DutchFox]

3 hours ago, MindSoup said:

@DutchFox he's in New Zealand mate.

ahh yes....organics need time to decompose......

 

for late made plots i use slow release ( 3 or 6 months )  chem verts...grow and or bloom variants.....in the first year...after that organics...since its so much more simple and good...  and also more cheap

[Phillybonker]

On 11/10/2021 at 11:11 PM, DutchFox said:

 

as you have all the time to prep....and dig holes....i would....

 

do the fish in the bottom of the hole...

 

 

 

if you dig a hole example  50x50x50 cm....is 125 liter

 

mix with 1 thea cup of dried chicken manure per 10 liter soil mix. ( no more...no less...mix well )

so in this case 12.5 teacups 

 

and let the nature do the work....manure will trigger gound life and attrackt and multiply worms....and will make a perfect hole for your plant !!!

 

in next year...just top dress 50% of dried chickenmanure in jan/feb....so in this case 6.25 teacup.

 

dried chicken manure has 4/3/3 NPK

10% of weight is calcium

has all micro elements for your plant.

 

good luck !

 

That's something I can try next grow season.  Fish and chicken manure is something I wanted to try this grow but unfortunately ran out of time. 

[Cajafiesta]

It definitely works, and works well.  It's pretty well known folklore here in the US.  The "Indians" (Native Americans, Natives, pick your PC term) allegedly taught the "pilgrims" how to cultivate maize (corn) using fish as the primary fertilizer.  Bury a fish or some fish heads below the plant/seedling/seed.  Let it do it's thing.  I grew up on property with a fish pond.  My stepdad would regularly bury small fish under tomato plants.  It works quite well. 

 

 

As others have said, though, any scavenging critters will absolutely try to dig it up.  Opossum, Armadillo, Raccoon, Dogs, Cats ( wild, feral, domesticated) Foxes, Coyotes etc.  If you have any of those ( Especially fucking Armadillo.  They are sons of bitches) you're gonna want to prevent access to the root area.   

 

 

We've even had Armadillo dig up dope plants due to the soil having earth worm castings added to it.  They love worms. 

[DutchFox]

2 hours ago, Cajafiesta said:

It definitely works, and works well.  It's pretty well known folklore here in the US.  The "Indians" (Native Americans, Natives, pick your PC term) allegedly taught the "pilgrims" how to cultivate maize (corn) using fish as the primary fertilizer.  Bury a fish or some fish heads below the plant/seedling/seed.  Let it do it's thing.  I grew up on property with a fish pond.  My stepdad would regularly bury small fish under tomato plants.  It works quite well. 

 

 

As others have said, though, any scavenging critters will absolutely try to dig it up.  Opossum, Armadillo, Raccoon, Dogs, Cats ( wild, feral, domesticated) Foxes, Coyotes etc.  If you have any of those ( Especially fucking Armadillo.  They are sons of bitches) you're gonna want to prevent access to the root area.   

 

 

We've even had Armadillo dig up dope plants due to the soil having earth worm castings added to it.  They love worms. 

 

fresh fish contains blood and bones

 

blood is N

Bones is P

 

so its missong K...in your NPK ......

 

Moles frequently enter my plantholes....and yes they dont harm.....they look for and eat the worms....so if they visit me....i know the planthole is perfect  

moles make holes and drain the soil....  

[twigs]

36 minutes ago, DutchFox said:

fresh fish contains blood and bones

 

blood is N

Bones is P

 

so its missong K...in your NPK ......

 

 

I found this table earlier in the day and thought it may be if interest  

The Table

The carbohydrate, fiber, and sugar columns are eliminated from the table, since the values for these components in fish are all zero. Since most of us eat about 3 1/2 oz as a serving, the amount of potassium we would get at a meal would be the amount that is recorded in the listings.

The weights for the potassium and sodium are milligrams. The potassium and sodium values given are for 100 grams (about 3 1/2 oz) of food.

As usual, K is potassium, and Na is sodium.

Except for the potassium to sodium ratio (which we calculated), the source of data is: USDA National Nutrient Database Standard Reference – Release 22

 

Food	K	Na	Ratio K:Na
ANCHOVY, EUROPEAN	383	104	3.7
BASS, FRESHWATER	456	90	5.1
BASS, STRIPED	256	69	3.7
BLUEFISH	372	60	6.2
BURBOT	404	97	4.2
BUTTERFISH	375	89	4.2
CARP	333	49	6.8
CATFISH, CHANNEL, FARMED	299	53	5.6
CATFISH, CHANNEL, WILD	358	43	8.3
CISCO	354	55	6.4
COD, ATLANTIC	413	54	7.6
COD, PACIFIC	403	71	5.7
CROAKER, ATLANTIC	345	56	6.2
CUSK	392	31	12.6
DOLPHINFISH	416	88	4.7
DRUM, FRESHWATER	275	75	3.7
EEL, MIXED SPECIES	272	51	5.3
TILAPIA	302	52	5.8
FLATFISH (FLOUNDER&SOLE SP)	361	81	4.5
GROUPER, MIXED SPECIES	483	53	9.1
HADDOCK	311	68	4.6
HALIBUT, ATLANTIC&PACIFIC	450	54	8.3
HALIBUT, GREENLAND	268	80	3.4
HERRING, ATLANTIC	327	90	3.6
HERRING, PACIFIC	423	74	5.7
LINGCOD	437	59	7.4
MACKEREL, ATLANTIC	314	90	3.5
MACKEREL, PACIFIC&JACK, MXD SP	406	86	4.7
MACKEREL, SPANISH	446	59	7.6
MILKFISH	292	72	4.1
MONKFISH	400	18	22.2
MULLET, STRIPED	357	65	5.5
OCEAN PERCH, ATLANTIC	273	75	3.6
PERCH, MIXED SPECIES	269	62	4.3
PIKE, NORTHERN	259	39	6.6
PIKE, WALLEYE	389	51	7.6
POLLOCK, ATLANTIC	356	86	4.1
POLLOCK, WALLEYE	326	99	3.3
POMPANO, FLORIDA	381	65	5.9
POUT, OCEAN	400	61	6.6
ROCKFISH, PACIFIC, MXD SP	405	60	6.8
SABLEFISH	358	56	6.4
SALMON, ATLANTIC, FARMED	363	59	6.2
SALMON, ATLANTIC, WILD	490	44	11.1
SALMON, CHINOOK	394	47	8.4
SALMON, CHUM, CND, WO/SALT, DRND SOL W/BONE	300	75	4
SALMON, CHUM	429	50	8.6
SALMON, COHO, FARMED	450	47	9.6
SALMON, COHO, WILD	423	46	9.2
SALMON, PINK, CND, WO/SALT, SOL W/BONE&LIQ	326	75	4.3
SALMON, PINK	323	67	4.8
SALMON, SOCKEYE, CND, WO/SALT, DRND SOL W/BONE	377	75	5
SALMON, SOCKEYE	391	47	8.3
SCUP	287	42	6.8
SEA BASS, MXD SP	256	68	3.8
SEATROUT, MXD SP	341	58	5.9
SHAD, AMERICAN	384	51	7.5
SHEEPSHEAD	404	71	5.7
SMELT, RAINBOW	290	60	4.8
SNAPPER, MIXED SPECIES	417	64	6.5
SPOT	496	29	17.1
STURGEON, MXD SP	284	54	5.3
SUCKER, WHITE	380	40	9.5
SUNFISH, PUMPKIN SEED	350	80	4.4
SWORDFISH	288	90	3.2
TILEFISH	433	53	8.2
TROUT, MIXED SPECIES	361	52	6.9
TROUT, RAINBOW, FARMED	451	35	12.9
TROUT, RAINBOW, WILD	481	31	15.5
TUNA, FRESH, BLUEFIN	252	39	6.5
TUNA, FRESH, SKIPJACK	407	37	11
TUNA, FRESH, YELLOWFIN	444	37	12
TUNA, LT, CND IN H2O, WO/SALT, DRND SOL	237	50	4.7
TUNA, LT, CND IN OIL, WO/SALT, DRND SOL	207	50	4.1
TUNA, WHITE, CND IN H2O, WO/SALT, DRND SOL	237	50	4.7
TUNA, WHITE, CND IN OIL, WO/SALT, DRND SOL	333	50	6.7
WHITEFISH, MXD SP	317	51	6.2
WHITING, MIXED SPECIES	249	72	3.5
WOLFFISH, ATLANTIC	300	85	3.5
YELLOWTAIL, MXD SP	420	39	10.8

 

 

[DutchFox]

thx !

 

so it is..........

 

fresh fish contains blood and bones...AND MEAT

 

Blood is N

Bones is P

Fishmeat is K

 

 Corpses are a great vertiliser

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by DutchFox