Discussions on Islam

[Bhang Buddie]

I realise that many may not agree with what I'm writing here, however back in the 60's I visited many places here and there, one of them being Mazar-i-Sharif, really nice place with really nice people, a lot of whom had some of the best hashish I'd tasted, but now ? It's not a place I'd visit and I certainly wouldn't go there overland like I did last time. At the time most of the people I met there were Muslim and I think I got a taste of what it was like, it was friendly, welcoming and full of laughter from both men and women, however since the Deash Fascists moved in (they never left) it's now one of the biggest cess pits on earth, with Deash being liars, scum and thieves, far more so than many of the crims I've got to know over the years in the UK and we know that some of the 'refugee's' that have come to Europe have come just to spread their mentally malformed interpretation of the koran here and stick us for anything they can.

These perverted, uneducated, murderous twonks want nothing more than to destroy MY way of life, this is just one reason among many that makes me want them removed, just like a nasty wart that you get stuck with. These scumbags want to hang draw and quarter ME for growing my own medicine, this is what they'll do to everyone on the UK420 site and any bud site that exists any where and everyone who just wants to toke some decent bud, this is what they'll do to ALL those who disagree with them, just like the Catholics did to the Cathar's back in the 'dark ages'.

So, ignore these uneducated peasants at your peril.

What I want to see now is a change in the laws on Treason in the UK, but what is the law ?

There's an awful lot of statute law in the UK that deals with treason, however the most important part was first passed in England in 1351. And it is perhaps one of the few pieces of 14th Century legislation to be regularly discussed in the 21st Century.

THE ANSWER

The essence of a law from 1351 remains in place as in recent times no-one's really known how to change it.

The original law stated: "When a Man doth compass or imagine the Death of our Lord the King, or of our Lady his Queen or of their eldest Son and Heir; or if a Man do violate the King's Companion, or the King’s eldest Daughter unmarried, or the Wife the King's eldest Son and Heir; or if a Man do levy War against our Lord the King in his Realm, or be adherent to the King's Enemies in his Realm, giving to them Aid and Comfort in the Realm.”

Or rather what the law actually said was in Norman French, but put succinctly in English, you can't kill, conspire against or wage war against the king and his family. You also can't have sex with his wife, heir’s wife or his unmarried eldest daughter. And the act goes on to rule out actions against the chancellor, treasurer and various categories of senior judge.

Precise definition

Treason existed before the 1351 act, but this was the first attempt to set parameters for it, says legal historian Prof Michael Lobban, of Queen Mary, University of London.

"We did have treason before but it wasn't very well defined. There was concern that the crown could manipulate a trial. They wanted to give a precise definition to it."

And this precise definition in England and Wales - and from 1708 in Scotland - has not changed a great deal over the years, despite a host of other treason acts.

Some of the acts that have come since have been to change the punishment. The 1814 act decreased to hanging a punishment that was traditionally described thus: "[To] be drawn on a hurdle to the place of execution and there be hanged by the neck, but not until they are dead, but that they should be taken down again, and that when they are yet alive their bowels should be taken out and burnt before their faces, and that afterwards their heads should be severed from their bodies, and their bodies be divided into four quarters, and their heads and quarters to be at the King's disposal."

It took until 1998 and the Crime and Disorder Act to get the punishment further downgraded to life imprisonment.

Tumultuous times

Treason legislation has often been caught in political eddies. After Henry VII ascended the English throne at the Battle of Bosworth in 1485, he set the date of the start of his reign earlier than the battle and threatened the supporters of the defeated Richard III with treason. Men who had defended the “rightful" king were being accused of offences against the usurping king.

So, in 1495, a treason act allowed a defence for those in this situation.

And the tumultuous political times of 1848 led to a treason act that dealt with people who advocated constitutional change rather than actual harm of the monarch.

“ Treason can only be committed by someone owing allegiance to the Crown, but nationals of friendly foreign countries do owe such allegiance while they are within the realm, as do foreign nationals abroad who have British passports. ” Ministry of Justice.

The Treason Felony Act 1848 makes it an offence to deprive or depose the Queen from her established constitutional position - and to publish any writing or printing advocating such change. This was aimed at Chartists and Irish radicals.

Six years earlier in 1842, the law on attempts to "injure or alarm the sovereign" had been strengthened, with specific reference to the use of firearms, following an assassination attempt on Queen Victoria.

This law was used in 1981 to prosecute Marcus Sarjeant after he fired blank cartridges in the vicinity of the Queen. He was jailed for five years.

One thing that can be said about the 1351 Treason Act and its successors is that they have been debated more in the late 20th and early 21st Century than they have ever been used for actual prosecutions.

TREASON ACTS

1351: Defines offence

1495: Allows defence

1695: Regulates trials

1702: Bans hindering succession

1708: English/Scottish law harmonised

1814: Ends disembowelling etc

1842: Deals with firearms, attempts to alarm monarch

1848: Deals with radical agitation

1998: Crime act ends death penalty

All these acts are still in force

It has been suggested that any Britons fighting for the Taleban or any Radical Islamist Preachers could be charged with treason and to date all of the above legislation still remains in force, and a clear starting point for an overhaul may be an achievement in itself.

"Successive governments have recognised that there is a case for reviewing what is an extremely antiquated part of the law," says a spokeswoman for the Ministry of Justice. "Given that in modern practice the law is very rarely used, and there are no concrete proposals as a starting point for reform, the government has not been able to give priority to work in this area which would be at the expense of more pressing reforms.” So, at least we know our politicians are useless, I doubt that they can change their own knickers let alone a law to protect the People.

Therefore, as the Monarch of the United Kingdom or England represents the People and that any threat to the People is also a threat to the Monarch and should be regarded as ‘an Act of Treasonable Intent’ in the United Kingdom or England, in which case they should forfeit all and every right of abode and protection offered and given freely within the United Kingdom and given either expulsion from the United Kingdom or the death penalty for any such act.

So, that's my rant over and now I'll go toke a pipe - thanks for reading Bom Shiva

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