Guest bazzad9 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Im just at a job interview il join dissusion soon. Wish me luck good luck mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Degsy Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Just realised that mushroom god could come across as a little fecetious considering recent discussions. I do actually feel connected to fungi in a way that until I felt it, was alien to me. Its hard to explain, but they are life, they can be death, nourishment, rejuvenating, symbiotic, parasytic, saprophytic, hallucinogenic, stunningly beautiful and sometimes extremely grotesque. My discovery and involvement with them feels spiritual to someone who doesn't think there spiritual in any way. Bit random I know, but if I am spiritual, its because of the connection I feel to the life and environment that surrounds me, but for some reason, fungi in particular. Wild weather and trees are up there, but all fungi interact with us so directly its tangible. Its the closest thing I have to a god. Great Post I had to look up the word 'saprophytic' though , thats how you learn things I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambium Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Is psychedelic politics possible? now ,now Mr Osborne, procedure is procedure. You know you are required to munch at least 30 liberty caps before delivering the budget. Get them down you lad. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bazzad9 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 now ,now Mr Osborne, procedure is procedure. You know you are required to munch at least 30 liberty caps before delivering the budget. Get them down you lad. cant see how it could be any worse got to be worth a shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambium Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Great Post I had to look up the word 'saprophytic' though , thats how you learn things I guess Thanks man. Saprophytes are where its at. Wood munching, soil creating super organisms. You can make good lists about fungi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bazzad9 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Thanks man. Saprophytes are where its at. Wood munching, soil creating super organisms. You can make good lists about fungi isnt the biggest living thing a fungi ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distracted Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Great Post I had to look up the word 'saprophytic' though , thats how you learn things I guess Saprophytic n. Syn Yoko Ono I'll get the door myself 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cambium Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 isnt the biggest living thing a fungi ? Its either the honey fungus at Malheur national park Oregon, or pando the aspen grove in Utah. They aren't sure which is bigger IIRC both are enormous and are genetically the same throughout. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughie Green Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Is psychedelic politics possible? Aye, coat the benches in parliament with LSD (cool aid acid test style) and they will all start tripping from the arse up 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distracted Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 which is the oldest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughie Green Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (1970) is a book by the British archaeologist John Marco Allegro. His early career focused on studying the earliest manuscripts of the Bible, the Dead Sea Scrolls. With this book, however, many say that it ruined his career, although others say it gave him the fame that he deserved. The basic idea behind the book is that primitive religions were based on fertility rites (rituals that recreate the reproductive processes of nature either symbolically or through sex). Allegro believed that fertility cults like this used the hallucinogenic mushroom, Amanita muscaria (red mushroom with white spots). He also said that these mushrooms are at the root of many religions, including early Christianity. Christianity was essentially the product of a sex-and-mushroom cult, and the mushroom was seen as the gateway to understanding God. Through this understanding it was believed that fertility would also be promoted. Allegro argued that the mushroom and its powers were a secret, so they had to be written down in the form of codes hidden in mythical stories. In his own words: “This is the basic origin of the stories of the New Testament. They were a literary device to spread the rites of mushroom worship to the faithful.” Jesus in the Gospels was code for the Amanita mushroom according to Allegro. All major scholars rejected Allegro's ideas, including his academic mentor. Even his publisher regretted publishing the book. Allegro drew on some strange evidence to support his theory. He argues that the fresco in the 13th Century chapel of Plaincourault in France clearly shows Adam and Eve next to a tree made of large Amanita muscaria mushrooms. The serpent can be seen coiling around the tree. It seems strange that this mushroom would be depicted in arguably the most famous story in the Bible. Terence McKenna in Food of the Gods also claims that the fruit which Adam and Eve ate from was a symbol for a psychedelic mushroom, since it gave them “knowledge” (e.g. that they were naked) which they didn't previously have.In October 2008 Jan Irvin published The Holy Mushroom: Evidence of Mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity which was the first book to present texts which supported Allegro's theory. For example, a 16th Century Christian text called The Epistle to the Renegade Bishops explicitly mentions and discusses “the holy mushroom”. Irvin provides dozens of Christian images to support Allegro's ideas – images that weren't available when The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross was originally published in 1970. The front cover of Irvin's book includes one of these images – some mushrooms can be seen. Some say that in these kinds of images, it is not the Amanita mushroom that is shown, but the more common types of psychedelic mushrooms, such as the ones shown next to it. More examples of mushrooms in Christian art: Allegro asserts that it's not such a controversial idea that religions could be based on the use of psychedelic plants. It's been said that other ancient cultures might have used psychedelic plants as well in their religious rituals. In Book 9 of the classic Hindu text, the Rig Veda, a “pressed juice” called Soma is mentioned as something drunk by priests. Some sort of visionary state is reported: "Make me immortal in that realm where happiness and transports, where joys and felicities combine, and longing wishes are fulfilled." Some say that Soma could have been a psychedelic mushroom, maybe the Amanita mushroom - R. Gordon Wasson held this opinion. Terence Mckenna in Food of the Gods says that a more likely candidate for Soma, due to its better efficacy at inducing psychedelic states, is the Psilocybe cubensis mushroom. This mushroom can grow in cow dung in certain climates, which may explain why the cow has gained such a sacred status in the Hindu tradition. Although other academics claim that Soma was cannabis. In addition, the blue lotus flower was worshiped by the ancient Egyptians and it is now know to have some psychoactive properties. The Eleusinian Mysteries were initiation ceremonies held every year for the cult of Demeter and Persephone in ancient Greece. A drink called kykeon was consumed which the Illiad says was made up of barley, water, herbs and goats cheese. In the Odyssey, however, the character Circe adds a magic potion to it. Some speculate that the barley used in this drink was parasitized by ergot (a fungus), and that the psychoactive properties of the fungus were responsible for the intense experiences that people reported at Eleusis. Ergot contains ergotamine, a precursor to LSD – this is why Albert Hoffman used ergot to synthesise LSD. 'Mushroom cults' in Mesoamerica date back to at least 1,000 BC, indicated by mushroom stone effigies found in the Guatemalan highlands. In addition, frescoes from central Mexico dated to 300 AD show signs of mushroom worship. 'Sacred mushrooms' feature in Aztec texts as well - the Codex Vindobonensis, for example, visually depicts the ceremonial use of psychedelic mushrooms. The aztecs called these mushrooms teonanactl which literally means “flesh of the gods”. Allegro argues that Christianity is just one more example of a religion which at its core involves the use of psychedelic plants as a way to access the 'divine'. Mushroom statues suggest the presence of 'mushroom cults' in ancient Mesoamerica. Note: Allegro's views don't necessarily reflect my own. Just because mushrooms have been depicted in Christian art, it does not follow that Christianity is based on the use of magic mushrooms. Allegro might even be guilty of confirmation bias: drawing on evidence to support his hypothesis, but ignoring the evidence which contradicts it. Some say that by doing this he has created an over-sensationalised hypothesis about the origins of Christianity. It is difficult to say how early Christianity originated, but in all likelihood it probably arose due to a variety of factors. It is possible that magic mushrooms were one of these factors (maybe even a driving force), but this idea is still within the realm of speculation. http://www.samwoolfe.com/2013/04/the-sacred-mushroom-and-cross-by-john.html Edited October 31, 2014 by Hughie Green 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distracted Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 A lot of the medieval trees looking like mushrooms is due to stain glass depictions being repeated and reinforced on illustrations I'd say 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughie Green Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 A lot of the medieval trees looking like mushrooms is due to stain glass depictions being repeated and reinforced on illustrations I'd say Aye but the fresco from the church is fascinating, always sticks in my mind that one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
distracted Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Aye but the fresco from the church is fascinating, always sticks in my mind that one is the resemblance more about how trees where depicted in glass + a lack of green from a simple C13 paint palatte? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughie Green Posted November 1, 2014 Author Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) Check the depiction of shrooms growing in grass in the bottom left of the 2nd last picture I think the stained glass makers knew what they were doing plus the fine detail at the feet of the character where the lion is taking the child. Edited November 1, 2014 by Hughie Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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