AustrianToker Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) I'm glad Dutch Passion joined UK420. It seems like there are many unsatisfied customers - but DP is a large company being 25 years in business with lots of customers, statistically speaking, they are bound to have more complaints than breeders that only sell perhaps 1/10th the amount of seeds DP sold over the years. Whether the claims of higher hermy rate are true or not - one must admit that DP is now here to receive feedback - whether good or bad. I believe or hope that they are looking at some of the issues and are hopefully tackling the problem at the root. Yet, there also very good reports and you've got to recognize the effort they are giving for regaining customer's satisfaction or confidence, hence them being here, and through different methods: They have created a contest, which shows that they are confident about their products. They have created new strains (freddie's best, dark delight, etc.) and relaunched an old one (night queen). They are also showing that they care about reg. seeds even though they only represent a small percentage of their sales. Additionally to the grow diaries, 4 growers will be getting seeds of a new uncommercialised variety to grow. These diaries will also be here. This variety does not yet have a name, it is something we have been working on for a while and we are only just ready to release regular non-fem seeds to allow a first public glimpse of it. This variety will be made available eventually in feminized and regular seeds. This will be the 15th Variety to be made available in regular seeds, even though regular seeds account for just 3% of our sales. The reason we still offer regular seeds for a third of our varieties is as a service for private breeders and for those who prefer the traditional ways of mother nature. Additionally, if you look at some of the threads you will recognize that tony has answered many of the questions relating to the hermy issues and is most probably transmitting the feedback higher up the chain. I can only imagine how tiring it can be to be answering the same question over and over. As in many cases, all you need to do is read the former threads instead of creating new one, especially as a "newer" member. Some members are probably going to hate me for this post, as i step in for an "evil" feminized seed producer and i've also received seeds from them for the contest, but let me tell you that i'll be just as critical as I always am about the results - you can be sure about it! Once again, i'm glad DP is here and hopefully they will make the best of it!!! Perhaps they should have joined sooner! AT edit: grammar Edited March 26, 2012 by AustrianTokker 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Embryo Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Fair play at least we got a direct response from them, other breeders punt "iffy" seeds yet never respond publicly if at all. Plus they knew they were going to catch a bit of flak as there has been plenty of threads about hermie issues and yet they still came on board to talk to us. So fair play. Personally I've had negative experience with dp fem seeds but I don't see the point in going into details as others have already asked the same questions I would've done and got responses. If things change I will happily give them another crack (pun intended, ) as I do like some of their strains and the customer service looks great! So respect to dp from me, it takes a lot to face critics! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kgb Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) Fair play at least we got a direct response from them, other breeders punt "iffy" seeds yet never respond publicly if at all. Plus they knew they were going to catch a bit of flak as there has been plenty of threads about hermie issues and yet they still came on board to talk to us. So fair play. Personally I've had negative experience with dp fem seeds but I don't see the point in going into details as others have already asked the same questions I would've done and got responses. If things change I will happily give them another crack (pun intended, ) as I do like some of their strains and the customer service looks great! So respect to dp from me, it takes a lot to face critics! outta me own mouth..+1..fair play Toni @DP..personnelly i remember the hermie issues from the first femmed seeds etc ,but ive had some crackers from DP!.. WW(regs) from Dp was a staple here at kgb hq for many a year and i still rate that highly...havent tried anything from their stables for long time though..kgb just throwin his 2pence in.. Edited March 26, 2012 by kgb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hydro2 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 They had problems, manned up & faced everybody with complaints, wonder Arjan & Franco would do the same, very much doubt it. H2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nasty little man Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 They had problems, manned up & faced everybody with complaints, wonder Arjan & Franco would do the same, very much doubt it. H2 They don't need 2 people who pay £3 a seed expect a few prob with inconsistency. £8 a seed is when your seeds need to be bang on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Enter Attila The Cryptohominid stage left. I'm not trolling guys, I just don't want to give the impression I'm evading the issue as I've accused Tony of doing. I was more vociferous in my disapproval of DP then anybody else, but that is specific to the issue. I don't resent DP being a sponsor and I am not a reg seed purist. I applaud DP fielding questions on here, all breeders should do this. However, DP's track record with fem seeds is exceptionally bad and their response to the tide of evidence for it has been well short of the standard we are entitled to expect. Most breeders have phases of underperforming fems, usually just a few strains and not for long. We are all familiar with this. Some smaller outfits with dodgy reputations go into terminal decline, DP seems to be going from strength to strength, and that is also exceptional. It would be a great pity if the DP brand was to gain an overwhelming status and market share in the seed industry when so many of it's strains have been badly hermie-prone for so long without them undertaking to remedy this. OK so I called them birdseed and Tony flounced off the thread : I don't think that was justified. He should at least have just gone back to the DP decision makers and put it to them that something had to be done, and got back to us. Others besides me demolished the excuse that Blueberry is a difficult strain and it's all due to the growers:- it isn't, it's just prone to overwatering and overfeeding so you give it less of everything which is easy. I grew old-fashioned DP Blueberry for years with only the occasional hermy low down very late into maturity. Nowadays it seem to be a waste of time trying it, I last did two years ago and it seems no better. This is exceptional and it's only gone on for so long because it's taken time to become apparent that it's not just one or two growers now and again, and some people are still not convinced. I was hoping we could establish a consensus on the specific issue of hermying seeds viz our natural rights as buyers, and that DP would take us seriously enough to do something.If they were not intending to change anything they could at least tell us why not. Surely this breeder/420er relationship has to be a two-way process? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audioaddict Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 Aye, good post AT. I have been a vocal in opposition to what I see as commercial money making practices in the seed industry, and it seems that these threads always seem to be in the DP section, or at least bring DP up due to Tonys 3% quote, that I will admit shocked me a little. But it is good to see DP here and accounting for themselves, plus they do seem intent on continuing as many regular lines as they can given market forces and whatnot, which can only be a good thing. At some point in the near future I'll definitely give some of DPs reg strains a whirl, certainly their Mazar and possibly Blueberry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nasty little man Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 I think people have got a right to have a go about hermies but I also think DP must be confident of a turn around to get tony on here and be giving out seeds, I hope they have turned it around I would love to be confident enough to go with BB in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokey0159 Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 (edited) 'm not trolling guys, I just don't want to give the impression I'm evading the issue as I've accused Tony of doing. I was more vociferous in my disapproval of DP then anybody else, but that is specific to the issue. I don't resent DP being a sponsor and I am not a reg seed purist. I applaud DP fielding questions on here, all breeders should do this.However, DP's track record with fem seeds is exceptionally bad and their response to the tide of evidence for it has been well short of the standard we are entitled to expect. Most breeders have phases of underperforming fems, usually just a few strains and not for long. We are all familiar with this. Some smaller outfits with dodgy reputations go into terminal decline, DP seems to be going from strength to strength, and that is also exceptional. It would be a great pity if the DP brand was to gain an overwhelming status and market share in the seed industry when so many of it's strains have been badly hermie-prone for so long without them undertaking to remedy this. OK so I called them birdseed and Tony flounced off the thread : I don't think that was justified. He should at least have just gone back to the DP decision makers and put it to them that something had to be done, and got back to us. Others besides me demolished the excuse that Blueberry is a difficult strain and it's all due to the growers:- it isn't, it's just prone to overwatering and overfeeding so you give it less of everything which is easy. I grew old-fashioned DP Blueberry for years with only the occasional hermy low down very late into maturity. Nowadays it seem to be a waste of time trying it, I last did two years ago and it seems no better. This is exceptional and it's only gone on for so long because it's taken time to become apparent that it's not just one or two growers now and again, and some people are still not convinced. I was hoping we could establish a consensus on the specific issue of hermying seeds viz our natural rights as buyers, and that DP would take us seriously enough to do something.If they were not intending to change anything they could at least tell us why not. Surely this breeder/420er relationship has to be a two-way process? i toatally agree with what you sayyou and austrian tokker, there has been a bit of a slagging match going on in another thread about dutch passion im partly to do with that i will put my hands up to that, but what has annoyed me this hermi scandall is it has happend with me with regulare seeds not fem there was blueberry witch i now are prone to hermi but ment to be a lot less them fem i got ten herms and the other regulare was orange bud ten herms too and it wasnt anything to do with my growing i went over everthing before i opened my mouth, but what really annoyed me is when i emailed them they came back with a nasty email saying its all my fault nothing wrong with there genetics etc so i sent a email back challenging them no reply, so i came on here to get them to answer and still no reply why whats going on what is going to be done with this happening a lot, but i just got a few people trying to put me down, which wont happen so whyarent they trying to sort this out if there strains are prone to hermi stop selling them till its sorted Edited March 27, 2012 by madgiz quote 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 but what has annoyed me this hermi scandall is it has happend with me with regulare seeds not fem there was blueberry witch i now are prone to hermi but ment to be a lot less them fem i got ten herms and the other regulare was orange bud ten herms too and it wasnt anything to do with my growing i went over everthing before i opened my mouth, but what really annoyed me is when i emailed them they came back with a nasty email saying its all my fault nothing wrong with there genetics etc so i sent a email back challenging them no reply, so i came on here to get them to answer and still no reply why whats going on what is going to be done with this happening a lot,but i just got a few people trying to put me down, which wont happen so whyarent they trying to sort this out if there strains are prone to hermi stop selling them till its sorted There you have it, it's not just Blueberry it's other strains and not just fems. It's not just Blueberry they blame on the grower either it would seem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustrianToker Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) Please stop repeating yourselves! I've read your posts already and am aware of your personal issues. I'm not here to mediate the situation and i'm not working for the company nor am representative of them. But perhaps have a look the one of the first threads on the issue "blueberry her" where Tony gave a straight forward answer to the problems. Probably not what a few people wanted to hear but needs to be excepted. (click me), and even you (sasquatch) at the time seemed reasonably happy with his answer and for some reason, you got more and more offended over time. Once again, DP is a large company with lots of customers around - it only makes sense that they have unsatisfied customers. And i understand that people need to complain - its normal - but you need to stop at some point and use your energy else where... On the other hand, there are reports like this which sound reliable and are making this whole evaluation thing a bit hard. (click me) My dream at this current stage, is to grow Blueberry one day - i would love to make a comparison between DP's, Dj Short's and Sagamartha's, as they all used the original cut to produce their seeds and perhaps find a keeper between the three! By the way, i've had hermies before with regular strains and they were not from DP... There are so many factors that could stress a plant in doing that, as well as genetics traits and i suppose (or it is known) that blueberry is a sensitive one... AH damn, it turned into another one of them DPs "hermy" thread! One thing i wanted to avoid... Let's try to be constructive from now on... AT Edited March 27, 2012 by AustrianTokker 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Layne Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I'm with you AustrianTokker - Great post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildbill Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I am happy that DP (& Tony) are here, and that they haven't given up on reg seeds despite their customers preferences. If enough people buy them, they would probably stock more varieties in reg form. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
landsker Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 (edited) In all fairness, I`ve grown a few DP plants, mostly Skunk N1,from the clone fairies. Has kept me well happy for a while now. Did have one go slightly confused, from her good self, about the 2-3rd week of flowering. Was seen before too much problem caused. Have to point out that it was the plant closest to the bulb, and that just after going 12`s, there were 2 power cuts in one week, which happened when I was at work. Obviously, all fans were out for several hours , and the extraction/temperature/humidity/light was absolutely out of all sensible parameters. Self inflicted, if you like. Knowing the plant a little better now,keeping the light slightly higher, and the results are fine. Lovely large buds, classic taste, smooth headspace. Thanks. Edit remove non-working link. Edited March 27, 2012 by landsker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasquatch Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 and even you (sasquatch) at the time seemed reasonably happy with his answer and for some reason, you got more and more offended over time. I was happy with Tony's answer at the time, I thought it was good that DP had come on here to address people's issues. However as time went on Tony reverted to giving the same old excuses and then reports of hermying Blueberry reg seeds started coming in. My dream at this current stage, is to grow Blueberry one day - i would love to make a comparison between DP's, Dj Short's and Sagamartha's, as they all used the original cut to produce their seeds and perhaps find a keeper between the three! Seen good reports of Sagarmatha's version on here recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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