Blue brother Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 (edited) Okay so I’m at day 35 of flowering now, probably looks like a strain that will take 9 maybe at a push 10 weeks. Since I induced flowering I’ve found the plants have grown paler with purpling stems. Noticed that some pistils were amber and the bract was starting to bleach so I’ve dropped my pair of hlg 350rs down to 70% and raised them up abit. This could also be to blame for the purpling stems, but I think I’m sure they are needing more nutes. what is it safe to add at this stage in flowering to a living soil setup? Any help is greatly appreciated Thankyou I also must add that I topdressed each 56l pot with fresh ewc and 50ml of ecothrive charge at the start of flower Edited November 7, 2021 by Blue brother Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindSoup Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 LC and EWC is all you really need to add throughout the whole cycle, but some molasses is good for mid/late flower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue brother Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, MindSoup said: LC and EWC is all you really need to add throughout the whole cycle, but some molasses is good for mid/late flower. Thanks buddy, I didn’t get lc I just got charge I’ll order some tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindSoup Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 @Blue brother I'm sure charge will suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue brother Posted November 7, 2021 Author Share Posted November 7, 2021 2 hours ago, MindSoup said: @Blue brother I'm sure charge will suffice. So far I’ve only used it as a top dress and mixed in with ewc. Is it more effective if I brew it? I did some earlier and it doesn’t look very soluble, I have aloe and yucca extract maybe they’ll help as surfactant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindSoup Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just spread it a round, lightly scuff it into the soil and then water it in mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue brother Posted December 21, 2021 Author Share Posted December 21, 2021 Okay guys so I just finished my first run with this soil, and I’m quite happy with the quality, I got phosphorous def at about week 5 and chased my tail adding guano all the way through, I’m now ditching my 56l pots and using 450l beds, I’m about to re ammended the 220l of ecolife I have here, I was gonna just mix all my barley straw mulch and cover crop in with the soil, was also gonna add all the waste material from harvest, then mix in life cycle at a stronger than recommended dose. can anyone tell me if this will be a good idea or not? I think it will but I’m just learning so would like some other opinions 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDF20 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) On 15/08/2021 at 3:57 PM, Flamedodger said: I’m currently in week 4 flower on my second grow using it. What I read regarding it is you don’t need to feed if using 40l+ pot sizes. I’m using 15l fabric pots and they’ve had a teaspoon of some organic bloom amendments per pot so far and they will probably only get a teaspoon more. I give them some compost tea when in veg, but that’s all That's quite interesting and sounds exactly how I want to grow (well after watching Mr. Canuck's grow videos). However some organic growers/gardeners keep telling me that it wouldn't work as living soil needs bigger pots. I can't get my head around it as I've seen few your diaries and it worked well. My favourite diary is UGORG#1 Winter Shed Grow (https://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?/topic/420473-ugorg1-winter-shed-grow/) and I believe you grew them in 15l fabric pots in Ecothrive soil using livingsoilfertilisers. Thanks !!! Edited January 28, 2023 by CDF20 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindSoup Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 (edited) It's not that it doesn't work, but that it doesn't work as well/isn't as easy. Like I was saying in the other post there's a far higher risk of nutrient imbalance and lock outs. As the pot gets root bound the microherd struggles to make enough nutrients available so you end up having to supplement and doing so accurately isn't easy because your not using an inert media, just like with salt feeds, adding inputs willy nilly isn't the best idea and can cause all kinds of issues, issues that can't as easily be fixed as they would with salt feeds. Another thing that will be unavoidable is having to dump out and remix your soil each run, something that's pretty impractical with indoor growing. Eventually that soil will also need replacing, something that doesn't really line up with your desire for sustainability. The comment above yours is a prime example of why people recommend bigger containers, I see the same conclusion being drawn by most people that try using solely dry ferts in smaller pots including myself, I definitely managed some half decent results when i did it, but not without a lot more work, mishaps and never without having to supplement with liquid feeds. By all means give it a go in smaller pots and find out for yourself if it works for you, but if you do I would recommend using peat or coco as a base, that method is well documented and Coco/peat both act as a bit of a buffer absorbing excess nutrients and leaching them out when concentrations become lower (something about cation exchange). I'm not sure that a compost based mix would have the same buffering ability as Coco/Peat based ones, so if your dead set on avoiding them I would do some proper research into cation exchange and wether your proposed soil mix would be a comparable alternative. Edited January 28, 2023 by MindSoup 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidgeSmith Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 Yeah, I did mine in 12.5L pots and needed nutrients. I will keep using it and one day, I hope graduate to a full bed. I don't grow all y ear round atm so its not going to be a thing yet. The soil is still a great substrate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDF20 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 @MindSoup Thanks for getting back to me hundred times , mate Will do pheno hunt in pots with coco and salt based nutes and then will grow keepers in bed and keep mother's as blackpoolbouncer suggested. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MindSoup Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 No worries geez I could ramble on for hours and hours . Going back to the cation exchange, I think I got myself in a bit of a muddle. Organic matter of all types should have good cation exchange capacity and by adding (activated) biochar it should also boost it even further, so in theory your soil mix should be as good if not better than peat or coco. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamedodger Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 3 hours ago, CDF20 said: My favourite diary is UGORG#1 Winter Shed Grow Thanks mate, was a bit of a cock up at the start, but the best grow I’ve done, cropped roughy 13oz from a 2x4 tent. What I will say though, it ended up being a summer grow due my negligence and cockups which helped with temps and humidity. It’s a good stepping stone to getting a full no-till bed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDF20 Posted January 28, 2023 Share Posted January 28, 2023 59 minutes ago, Flamedodger said: Thanks mate, was a bit of a cock up at the start, but the best grow I’ve done, cropped roughy 13oz from a 2x4 tent. What I will say though, it ended up being a summer grow due my negligence and cockups which helped with temps and humidity. It’s a good stepping stone to getting a full no-till bed What soil and ferts did you use in that grow mate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamedodger Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 17 hours ago, CDF20 said: What soil and ferts did you use in that grow mate? I use ecothrive soil, and lifecycle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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