srfr Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 hours ago, bartman said: Eddie had an application for judicial review turned down by Lord Justice Leveson in the High Court back in 2009. Rev Paul Farnhill from the Cantheist Cannabis Assembly ( also uk420 member )was queued to be heard at ECHR for over 3 years but they refused to look at his case in the end. Who is Eddie? Any info on previous attempts may help us (WTU) with our legal challenge. Any info or names gladly received! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Wow - hadn't thought of Eddie for years. Hope he's OK, wherever he is. AIR, his case was very carefully constructed - not some whackjob. Basically he had trawled the actual law around cannabis which is the 1971 MDA, and carefully picked up every nuance as expressed in the act. TL:DR was that the UK government was acting illegally in making cannabis illegal, since it was disregarding it's own law about how the ACMDs reporting should be implemented. And the courts can't enforce an illegal law. I think the argument is successive Home Secretaries have refused to apply the law as stated in the MDA. You can't just dismiss the ACMDs recommendations because you don't like their findings. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absurdist Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 Good luck to you @srfr. I have long considered cannabis prohibition a civil rights issue. It's ridiculous that the authorities could deprive me of my liberty at any moment just for harmlessly doing my thing on my own property. We're in the same position that gays were in a few decades ago. Now they're protected from discrimination. Cannabis users are the only minority against which the government openly condones and encourages discrimination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 32 minutes ago, JimmyPage said: Wow - hadn't thought of Eddie for years. Hope he's OK, wherever he is. AIR, his case was very carefully constructed - not some whackjob. Basically he had trawled the actual law around cannabis which is the 1971 MDA, and carefully picked up every nuance as expressed in the act. TL:DR was that the UK government was acting illegally in making cannabis illegal, since it was disregarding it's own law about how the ACMDs reporting should be implemented. And the courts can't enforce an illegal law. I think the argument is successive Home Secretaries have refused to apply the law as stated in the MDA. You can't just dismiss the ACMDs recommendations because you don't like their findings. I’ll pass this info on to the legal team and see what they can dig up! Thanks! Please do click the link and have a read. Let me know your thoughts dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted April 30, 2019 Author Share Posted April 30, 2019 2 minutes ago, Absurdist said: Good luck to you @srfr. I have long considered cannabis prohibition a civil rights issue. It's ridiculous that the authorities could deprive me of my liberty at any moment just for harmlessly doing my thing on my own property. We're in the same position that gays were in a few decades ago. Now they're protected from discrimination. Cannabis users are the only minority against which the government openly condones and encourages discrimination. You are right! Please click the link and help if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted April 30, 2019 Share Posted April 30, 2019 On 24/04/2019 at 6:11 PM, srfr said: I believe its possible to take the government to court, hold it to account and achieve our human rights to self-determination, freedom of consciousness, expression of identity, private beliefs and practises, and autonomy of health, so that any who wish to can manage their health, well-being and happiness with natural herbal cannabis or seek herbal independence by growing their own, free from extreme prejudice and violent interference from the State. First rule is that it doesn't matter a shiny shit what you do (or don't) think when it comes to the UK and it's laws. And at the end of the day (as votes for prisoners shows) even if the UK is in the wrong, there's a certain "whatchyougonnadoaboutit ?" at the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 hours ago, JimmyPage said: First rule is that it doesn't matter a shiny shit what you do (or don't) think when it comes to the UK and it's laws. And at the end of the day (as votes for prisoners shows) even if the UK is in the wrong, there's a certain "whatchyougonnadoaboutit ?" at the end. And that’s why we have secured a human rights/cannabis specialist! Click the link mate and check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted May 1, 2019 Author Share Posted May 1, 2019 On 4/25/2019 at 1:55 PM, Cursed said: didn't eddie silence take his case all the way to the court of human rights? he lost didn't he, anyone remember i'm pretty sure as its possession is deemed illegal you have no rights regards it under uk law. i.e its illegality covers any right to ownership or use and until such time as its legal status changes your human rights aren't breached i could be wrong as i'm not 100%. is there legal prescident regards human rights and illegal actions. @theokoles any idea? Hi mate, you don’t know how I could contact this Eddie guy do you? Perhaps his input could be useful? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 well @Eddiesilence was his username here, but he's not posted for years. I can remember bits and pieces from what he posted - so if you trawl his posts you might get some clues ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cursed Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 18 minutes ago, srfr said: Hi mate, you don’t know how I could contact this Eddie guy do you? Perhaps his input could be useful? Yeah eddies long gone unfortunately. theres a thread somewhere, possibly in the legal section detailing his fight 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theokoles Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 22 hours ago, JimmyPage said: First rule is that it doesn't matter a shiny shit what you do (or don't) think when it comes to the UK and it's laws. And at the end of the day (as votes for prisoners shows) even if the UK is in the wrong, there's a certain "whatchyougonnadoaboutit ?" at the end. This is the said reality of trying to go up against the uk gov..Judicial Review i think is what Edide brough the action unde..but whilst admirable its pretty futile..One only has to look at cases like Hilsborough as an example of how futile fighting for justice is.. Financial vested interests trump everything.. The notion that the courts are there to fight for justice and enforce our human rights are nothing but a fantisy in reality in many cases, especially where drugs is concerned..They will hide behind the old, "protection of harm and morals of the nation" caveat as their defence.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyPage Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 Just now, theokoles said: This is the said reality of trying to go up against the uk gov..Judicial Review i think is what Edide brough the action unde..but whilst admirable its pretty futile..One only has to look at cases like Hilsborough as an example of how futile fighting for justice is.. Financial vested interests trump everything.. The notion that the courts are there to fight for justice and enforce our human rights are nothing but a fantisy in reality in many cases, especially where drugs is concerned..They will hide behind the old, "protection of harm and morals of the nation" caveat as their defence.. You can't fight the system using the system. Ultimately it's why revolutions happen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted May 7, 2019 Author Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) Can anyone else help here? We are almost there! Edited May 12, 2019 by Owderb Link removed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackpoolbouncer Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 On 4/24/2019 at 6:11 PM, srfr said: achieve our human rights to self-determination, freedom of consciousness, expression of identity, private beliefs and practises, and autonomy of health, This is all stuff our government want to keep control of as much as possible, particularly the consiousness part. We are in a war on consciousness. Ever wonder why you can buy arsenic, or acid or formaldehyde or any other harmful chemical/poison you can think of to kill someone yet you can't buy a gram of non toxic cannabis? Answer that question to yourself and we start to understand it's all about control of the population and their consciousness. Things like cannabis and lsd etc have the power to wake people up. They scare the powers that be something terrible. Look what happened in the 60s with the counter culture movement. It nearly worked too God bless nick sand 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
srfr Posted May 12, 2019 Author Share Posted May 12, 2019 Further news just in, the crowd justice fund made it's £6k threshold so the solicitor can now start putting a case together! You can keep up to date here if interested: My understanding is they are still raising funds and ideally need £10k to get this human rights case under review by a qualified barrister. Should the solicitor convince the barrister there is a case to answer, then there will be a much bigger sum to raise to get the case to the high court. By then hopefully, we will have a lot more support from the industry as well as attention from the national press. This is exciting news for every cannabis consumer in the UK! If I learn more I'll update here. I urge you to click that link and see what they are up to and maybe pledge if you can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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