Moppy Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Does anyone know what difference it makes, when making oil using a solvent like Everclear, if we first cure the buds, or can we just dry them then make the oil? I would assume that curing the buds first will result in more potent, better quality oil, but I am open to advice here. I don't know if it makes any difference, but this is for medical reasons (cancer treatment). TIA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inceywinceyspider Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I dont know about curing the bud, but some people decarboxilate the bud before making the oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moppy Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, inceywinceyspider said: I dont know about curing the bud, but some people decarboxilate the bud before making the oil. Yeah, I always make sure it is decarbed first. I believe some people let it decarb during evaporation of the alcohol, but I prefer to do it in the oven before adding alcohol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catweazle1 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 (edited) I think curing is to breakdown the chlorophyll products. If you are heating it up to decarb THCA then any of the lower temperature volatiles will be evaporated, and as such curing first is probaby not going to gain you anything. Thoroughly dry it then decarb it is the way I would go. Edited June 30, 2022 by catweazle1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graywolf Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Moppy said: Does anyone know what difference it makes, when making oil using a solvent like Everclear, if we first cure the buds, or can we just dry them then make the oil? I would assume that curing the buds first will result in more potent, better quality oil, but I am open to advice here. I don't know if it makes any difference, but this is for medical reasons (cancer treatment). TIA Define dry and method?? One basic difference between dried bud and cured bud, is that the cured retains more terpenes, giving it more aroma and flavor, as well as entourage effect. Decarboxylating prior to extraction boils off those terpenes. Unless I'm making live resin, I usually hang the branches until the small stems snap and then either jar and cure them or extract them at that point. If I choose to decarboxylate, I typically do it after extraction, where I can precisely monitor the results. Decarboxylating at that point also boils off the terpenes. I process oil differently, based on its end use. What end use product do you covet? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moppy Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 hours ago, Graywolf said: Define dry and method?? One basic difference between dried bud and cured bud, is that the cured retains more terpenes, giving it more aroma and flavor, as well as entourage effect. Decarboxylating prior to extraction boils off those terpenes. Unless I'm making live resin, I usually hang the branches until the small stems snap and then either jar and cure them or extract them at that point. If I choose to decarboxylate, I typically do it after extraction, where I can precisely monitor the results. Decarboxylating at that point also boils off the terpenes. I process oil differently, based on its end use. What end use product do you covet? Drying for 7-10 days, hanging in dark. Until it smokes evenly, but the taste still has a way to go, which is obviously helped by curing as well. This is to produce oil to treat cancer, as in Rick Simpson Oil. My thoughts are that the RSO taste matters very little, as it is medicinal as opposed to recreational, so do we need to cure...is curing gonna give us a better (as in cancer-beating properties) product, or will it not affect the effectiveness at dissolving tumours? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trdman Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Im planning on making some for the first time, I see so many different variations of how to do it.. do I stick it in the oven first or not? And do I let the solvent evaporate itself or heat it off...?? Anyone got a good link to a tried and tested method? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakePlissken Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 If your weed is grown properly and finished properly, then after a long slow dry (15-17ish days) the buds are as good as they’re going to be. All you want to do is lock that in and have as little degradation as possible. If you’re drying, decarbing, and then making oil there’s no need to let the buds sit around any longer before decarbing and whatnot. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NezA Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 As far as I'm concerned when making FSO you're going for a totally different set of priorities. Nicely cured buds are only going to have all their cannabinoids stripped from them to be made into oil. When making FSO you're harnessing the raw power of the cannabinoids themselves, for me personally it's a case of flash drying and getting the oil made in as short a timeframe as possible. For most people taking FSO time is of the essence and flash drying doesn't reduce the effectiveness of the medicine at all in my experience. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hippie on hill Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 There's a medical section here http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?/forum/37-medicinal-cannabis/ lots of good info in section 9 of Graywolfs site here https://graywolfslair.com/index.php He also links to this guide which has a few options https://www.cannabishomesciences.com/home And this video by Danzig is very good good luck with the treatment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Personunknown Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 With cancer bud to oil asap afaik, good luck and all the best wishes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graywolf Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 19 hours ago, Moppy said: Drying for 7-10 days, hanging in dark. Until it smokes evenly, but the taste still has a way to go, which is obviously helped by curing as well. This is to produce oil to treat cancer, as in Rick Simpson Oil. My thoughts are that the RSO taste matters very little, as it is medicinal as opposed to recreational, so do we need to cure...is curing gonna give us a better (as in cancer-beating properties) product, or will it not affect the effectiveness at dissolving tumours? As has been noted, it doesn't need to be cured for RSO. Dr. Robert Melamede is the best source of cannabis treatment for disease: https://sativamagazine.com/2017/01/15/dr-bob-and-cannabis-biotech/ When we sponsored him for a lecture here, he told us that the entourage effects of RSO were an important part of their healing properties. Noting that and Ricks process, most are lost during purge, so what is left is ostensibly enough. The way we make oil with Everclear is as follows: https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/diy-cannamed-production/9-4-extraction/9-4-7-ethanol-extraction/9-4-7-1-qwet The way we decarboxylate is thus: https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/10-the-alchemist-resource/10-1-decarboxylation/10-1-4-decarboxylation-101 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graywolf Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 On 6/30/2022 at 10:00 AM, Trdman said: Im planning on making some for the first time, I see so many different variations of how to do it.. do I stick it in the oven first or not? And do I let the solvent evaporate itself or heat it off...?? Anyone got a good link to a tried and tested method? Here is how I extract RSO with ethanol: https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/diy-cannamed-production/9-4-extraction/9-4-7-ethanol-extraction/9-4-7-1-qwet Here is how I decarboxylate it: https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/10-the-alchemist-resource/10-1-decarboxylation/10-1-4-decarboxylation-101 https://graywolfslair.com/index.php/10-the-alchemist-resource/10-1-decarboxylation/10-1-2-decarboxylating-ethanol-tinctures-in-situ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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