The inherant flaw within the system and how it can be changed.

[Guest]

Ever hear the phrase 'no good deed goes unpunished'?

Got me thinking that the system of laws that we have is the opposite of what we need and want.

We all break laws here which we consider to be unfair. Yet they are still laws and there are yet more laws and punishments for said laws. It is a massive system, very messy and often if not mostly does not dispense anything resembling 'justice.'

So how about we have a merit system in society where good deeds are actually rewarded. The richest in society would be those able to earn the most merit points by doing good deeds.

Rather than use a system to scare people into behaving 'normally' why not have a system that encourages people to behave in a good natured fashion.

Now there might well still be needed a system where people are taken into captivity to stop them being a danger to others, at least at first. Adequate mental health care would go a long way to lessen such dangers anyway.

What I believe may happen is that the culture of what is good and fair in society would be a self correcting mechanism.

Now I know there are details to consider but nothing that cannot be worked out and surely a lot better than what we have in place now.

In such a world there would be a much smaller full time prison population. In fact those not able to adjust to a system where being good, kind and nice is rewarded could eventually be viewed as being mentally unstable rather than criminal.

I wonder if this has ever been tried? The carrot instead of the stick for a change.

[crticalcontent]

Mate have you just read about the points based system for communist china.

[GreenVision]

Ever hear the phrase 'no good deed goes unpunished'?

Got me thinking that the system of laws that we have is the opposite of what we need and want.

We all break laws here which we consider to be unfair. Yet they are still laws and there are yet more laws and punishments for said laws. It is a massive system, very messy and often if not mostly does not dispense anything resembling 'justice.'

So how about we have a merit system in society where good deeds are actually rewarded. The richest in society would be those able to earn the most merit points by doing good deeds.

Rather than use a system to scare people into behaving 'normally' why not have a system that encourages people to behave in a good natured fashion.

Now there might well still be needed a system where people are taken into captivity to stop them being a danger to others, at least at first. Adequate mental health care would go a long way to lessen such dangers anyway.

What I believe may happen is that the culture of what is good and fair in society would be a self correcting mechanism.

Now I know there are details to consider but nothing that cannot be worked out and surely a lot better than what we have in place now.

In such a world there would be a much smaller full time prison population. In fact those not able to adjust to a system where being good, kind and nice is rewarded could eventually be viewed as being mentally unstable rather than criminal.

I wonder if this has ever been tried? The carrot instead of the stick for a change.

This is the problem here mate. A very honest a good notion, but the richest of society IME very rarely care for good deeds.

There are a few that come from honest backgrounds and have a good heart but tbh most of the wealthiest are self centered

[Guest]

Mate have you just read about the points based system for communist china.

that is a state run and led system that people have to take part in. Given the number of people China execute every year the stick is rather frightening as well. I'm talking about a society led system that constantly changes according to the needs of society and decided by the people themselves.

[Guest]

This is the problem here mate. A very honest a good notion, but the richest of society IME very rarely care for good deeds.

There are a few that come from honest backgrounds and have a good heart but tbh most of the wealthiest are self centered

in this system the people doing the least good deeds according to their own means (at first) would not get anything and in fact become very poor eventually.

[Superdedupity]

You'll never get the result you want by forcing somebody; the concept of the carrot and stick is flawed because the carrot still contains the element of coercion; and people react differently to being coerced to do anything; plenty will still comply, but fester for doing it

You don't create a better society; you create a more controlled society

[Guest]

You'll never get the result you want by forcing somebody; the concept of the carrot and stick is flawed because the carrot still contains the element of coercion; and people react differently to being coerced to do anything; plenty will still comply, but fester for doing it

You don't create a better society; you create a more controlled society

wouldn't be more controlled, would be less controlled but the controls would be done differently. Whether society would be better or not is anyones guess, I can't tell the future. Who said more freedom and less control would be good things anyway? Surely some people need to be controlled so they are not a threat to others. Tony Blair for example. Other people/things could do with a whole lot less control perhaps.

[Superdedupity]

But there's the flaw; it's up to no individual to decide who or to what level another individual needs to be controlled.

If power isnt centralised on any one individual, why is control necessary in the first place?

[Guest]

But there's the flaw; it's up to no individual to decide who or to what level another individual needs to be controlled.

If power isnt centralised on any one individual, why is control necessary in the first place?

it isn't really about control though as anyone could still do what they want. It is just the way their actions are rewarded or not are changed. Punishments could quickly be dropped in this system for all but the most serious and dangerous individuals. Those intent on harming others.

For most it wouldn't be control at all. It would be a simple choice. For example.... you could make 10p by letting a lady with children in front of you at the intersection while you are driving one afternoon or you could not let her in and not make 10p. What would you do? What would most people do in this situation? There is still choice and free will just with differing consequences.

[trypsy summers]

Well the system is what it is, nuff said! This might be going off topic,but nontheless with full credit given to Don Harkins, here now are the newly updated “Nine Veils”.

The first veil: Ten percent of us will pierce the first veil and find the world of politics. We will vote, become active and develop an opinion. Our opinions will be shaped by the physical world around us; we will have been “conditioned” from our days in public education to accept that government officials, network media personalities and other “experts” are the primary voices of authority. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The second veil: Ten percent of us will also pierce the second veil to explore the world of history, the relationship between man and government and the meaning of self-government through constitutional and common law. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the third veil.

The third veil: Ten percent of those who pierce the second veil, will eventually pierce the third veil to conclusively find that the resources of the world, including people, are controlled by extremely wealthy and powerful families whose incorporated old world assets have, with modern extortion strategies, become the foundation upon which the entire world´s economy is currently indebted. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fourth veil.

The fourth veil: Ten percent will then pierce the fourth veil to discover the Illuminati, Freemasonry, and the other secret societies. These societies use symbols and perform ceremonies that perpetuate the generational transfers of arcane knowledge that is used to keep the ordinary people in political, economic and spiritual bondage to the oldest bloodlines on earth. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the fifth veil.

The fifth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the fifth veil to learn that the secret societies are so far advanced technologically that time travel and interstellar communications have no boundaries and controlling the very thoughts and even the very actions of people is what their members do as offhandedly as we tell our children when they must go to bed. As in the days of Noah, this technology is even creating synthetic life forms, as man seeks to displace God. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without having pierced the sixth veil.

The sixth veil: Ten percent will progress to pierce the sixth veil where we learn the dragons and lizards and aliens we thought were the fictional monsters of childhood literature are real indeed and are in reality the actual controlling forces behind the secret societies uncovered in the fourth veil. Ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the seventh veil.

The seventh veil: Ten Percent will progress to pierce the 7^th veil where the incredible world of fractal geometry and the universal law of numbers will be fully understood and embraced. The creative force of the entire universe will be shown to be linked to numerical code formulas and sequences, and all “mysteries” including the very fabric of time, space, parallel universes, and access therein is unlocked. Those whose intellects allow them to pierce the seventh veil often succumb to the lure and promise of massive wealth offered by the ruling elite, and thus over ninety percent of the people in this group will live and die without piercing the eighth veil.

The eighth veil: Piercing the eighth veil reveals God and the pure energy known as LOVE that is the pure life force in all living things – which are one and the same. Deep-seated Humility is needed in order to ever pierce this veil.

The ninth veil: Piercing the ninth veil means perfecting the pure energy known as love and thereby becoming truly one with God and His formulations. By perfecting this pure energy, one then fully embraces charity and therein gains full understanding of the universal plan of sacrifice, death, and redemption; life itself then becomes complete and one truly comes full circle and looks at the world through the eyes of an innocent child, yet with the deepest wisdom born of pure LOVE from the eighth veil.

Consider this: If this theory is correct, there are only about 60,000 people on the planet who have successfully pierced the sixth veil. The irony here is too incredible: Those who are stuck behind veils one through five have little choice but to view the people who have pierced the veils beyond them as dangerously insane. With each veil pierced, exponentially shrinking numbers of increasingly enlightened people are deemed insane by exponentially increasing masses of decreasingly enlightened people.

Adding to the irony, the harder a “sixth or better veiler” tries to explain what he is able to see to those who can´t, the more insane he appears to them. This truth is self-evident. Moreover, institutions such as the venerable “Southern Poverty Law Center” are formed and financed by the ruling elite to effectively label many such awakened individuals “hate-mongers” and “terrorists”.

OUR ENEMY, THE STATE

Behind the first two veils we find the great majority of people on the planet. They are tools of the state: Second veilers are the gullible voters whose ignorance justify the actions of politicians who send untold millions of first veilers off to die in foreign lands as cannon fodder — their combined stations in life are simply to believe that the self-serving machinations of the power-elite are matters of national security and are worth dying for.

Third, fourth, fifth and sixth veilers are of increasing liability to the state because of their decreasing ability to be used as tools to consolidate power and wealth of the many into the hands of the power-elite few. It is common also, for these people to sacrifice more of their relationships with friends and family, their professional careers and personal freedom with each veil they pierce.

Albert Jay Nock (1870-1945), author of “Our Enemy, the State” (1935), explained what happens to those who find and embrace the final two veils: “What was the best that the state could find to do with an actual Socrates and an actual Jesus when it had them? Merely to poison one and crucify the other, for no reason but that they were too intolerably embarrassing to be allowed to live any longer.”

Conclusions

As Don Harkins has written: “And so now we know that it´s not that our countrymen are so committed to their lives that, “they don´t want to see,” the mechanisms of their enslavement and exploitation. They simply “can´t see” it as surely as I cannot see what´s on the other side of a closed curtain.”

The purpose of this essay is threefold:

To help the handful of people in the latter veils to understand why the masses have little choice but to interpret their clarity as insanity;

2. To help people behind the first two veils understand that living, breathing and thinking are just the beginning and;

3. Show people that the greatest adventure of our life is behind the next veil because that is just one less veil between ourselves and God. (I would say ‘The Highest Vibration”)

(source)

Not saying, just saying, without saying.

Pure Peace

Edited November 23, 2016 by trypsy summers

[Guest Gojitangie]

Thinking in terms of reward and punishment is only building on the problem in my opinion.

We have managed to create a society where people will undergo surgery, have a knife slice their flesh, so that they can look like someone else.

If we are so suggestible, if we are essentially a blank canvas with a vague sense of what we call humanity, then we don't need to have carrot and stick.

[Guest]

Thinking in terms of reward and punishment is only building on the problem in my opinion.

We have managed to create a society where people will undergo surgery, have a knife slice their flesh, so that they can look like someone else.

If we are so suggestible, if we are essentially a blank canvas with a vague sense of what we call humanity, then we don't need to have carrot and stick.

the idea is that it is a transitional system that transitioned to nothing over time. Being that it is society led then the 'state' will eventually cease to exist.

peaceful transition is the goal.

[Guest jacks lad]

if the wealth was shared fairly world poverty would be eradicated, disease would be already or near eradicated be no wars, be a more loving society the lovelessness of psychpaths gone. a stoner dream of the future.

[Guest jacks lad]

money moves from the bottom up, everytime a top artist makes a hit record 50 poor people could die, or every time david beckham smiles near naked for pics 2 poor people die, is just the way money moves.

[botanics]

@@trypsy summers

Not heard of this 'nine veils' thing some interesting reading in there though that do tie in with my own thinking in parts very interesting post