Please do not move to the outdoor budshots section if possible.

I am currently growing Oasis, a sativa domenent strain and lethal purple.

I have some pictures up on my site www.gorillagrow.org under the overgrow tab on the top of the page.

I just started the Lethal Purple though my others have been in the swamp since early June.

I have them in promix and containers ranging from 18 to 48 gallon.

I am feeding a bit of Organic Traditions 4-2-2 as mined and synthetic elements have no place in the world of breeding.

The swamp water was around a 4.1 when I took a sample about three weeks ago. I have been monitoring it with a pH meter and it is up to a 5.2 at present time. Any ideas why it is raising?

I would imagine it may be down to different weather/temp conditions as a swamp is a microbial soup really and different organisms may quickly proliferate with variations in temp.

These different organisms will excrete different things which would change the ph according to temp.

This is a complete guess.

You spoke of breeding.

What are you breeding mate?

What are you doing about the acidity?

Perhaps it has something to do with the length of night or behaps being close to the organic decay under the water carbohyrate filled swamp water and her living cycles coupled with the raising temperatures and the sample no longer in that environment. Perhaps I need a new sample to test from the swamp to help balance my thinking on the subject.

Nice to meet your acquaintance my good doctor. I am not doing anything about the acidity of the water. I do not think it will be an issue as the pH of the soil shall surely rise as the oxygen gets in.

I am wanting to cross a bit of Lethal Purple with some Oasis and sativa dominant strain. I do not know what I would cross it with next. Perhaps Mighty Mite

Bacteria as I understand have sort live cycles which would leave much organic material and amino acids behind. Plants use animal source amino acids as vitamins and animals use plant source.

Hi Karmaxul,pleased to meet you mate.

I think that ph is so low as to be a bit much for the compost to buffer,not sure though.

Usually when plants are given tap water its pretty neutral so the compo can easily adjust that.

I'd be worried about the swamp water maybe containing harmful organisms.

Again,not having used it I dont know and it may in fact be very beneficial.


EDit:Just saw your last post.

Decayed matter I know is good but if you add plant matter that is not fully broken down that can in fact harm the plants and I would imagine that swamp water has a whole range of stuff in it,like some that the plant can utilise but maybe newly died organic matter that has to break down first before it is available to the plant.

I know you are giving the water and not the solid matter in it but the exudants of algae and stuff would be in the
water and I dont know if thats a good or bad thing.

Spirulina which is blue green algae would be high in auxins or b vitamins which carry a blue color though depending on the cell structure and reproductive means of algae the amino acids may first need to be converted via the living bacteria to be viable for the plants. The blueberries which cover the swamp should in theory up the b vitamin content of the water as well.

I think the compost idea is excellent for upping the pH if I can find a store that sells it around these parts from a repitable source like Coast of Maine.

May help hold in the moisture as well. The only consern would be the limited oxygen that can get to the surface roots if I applied it on the top of the soil. Also having pH imbalances from the top to bottom of the soil and such can cause stress.

I love the idea of a compost tea. I would be concerned shocking the plants with a high tds however it would do the trick if the pH is truely to low. I do not see any signs of low pH though to be honest with you I would not really know what to look for.

Organic baby formula works however only for about 24 hours then it starts to rise as it becomes unstable.

But you've already got them in promix Karmaxul,that's a type of compost isnt it?

A compost tea or drench would be good for sure but I don't think the EC would be so high as to cause any kind of shock really.

Peeople often make a tea with nettles and it gives mainly a bit of nitrogen I think and although I don't have experience of using them I'm pretty sure they are mild and would be difficult to deliver an excess by using them.

In soil people use lime to correct acid but I don't know(a lot of don't knows! ) if its very water soluble by which I mean I'm not sure you could water it in effectively.Oltimer is the organic expert here among others but he could answer your questions fully.

Me I'm just knocking idea's around.

If it were me I'd use a ready made ph up formulation but that is chemical but there must be a good way of raising the ph with a solution that is organic.

I find it a much wellcomed pleasure to read your ideas my friend.

Perhaps I could inquire with what you have seen on a question presently turning in my mind.

How is a a low pH harmful to the cannabis plant? I am thinking the swamp knows where it is at.

It seems there is something special about this swamp. Amoung other cleaver facts on the borders of the place which gives life to my kids I found a tree that is longing for life. Her structure has never been seen. The roots they grow in a circle and her arms seem to form a dream. I will try to find you a picture of her. I am thinking she is thirsty myself.

I found some pictures of my favorite lady she grow short though has never been trimmed. The roots grow up out of the ground for about a foot and a half and form a circle. Then she has many branches though they are only very short and form almost rays of a sun. Its all just to perfect here. Its like it was built for me from the future to be the nesting place of a yet to be seen genetic prodigy I do not want to back cross until I am 12 generations away.

Morning Karmaxul,

wow,that is some tree mate.

May I ask my friend whereabouts in the world are you as its not any tree I recognise

and we don't have many swamps in this country either!

good to see you found your way here pal. excellent place this is, some very knowledgeable members on these boards. happy growing

Two lethal purples came up last night while I was munching on a few hits of acid. I did not see them come up until I woke up this morning. Tripping with the sun is so much better, visually

The discussion of growing more then one plant per container was just brought up for discussion a short while ago. When breeding is taken into consideration and more then one strain or the same are added to the container the trick would be to get them all living together with out taking each other out. That would be the headiest of strains.

What a intresting thread will be watching this.

Serious nice to see you. Two more lethal purples are emerging now. I want to get them in full sun soon. I have a full promix bail on me and many a pot. Should have time still to get some pollen in the mix.

Dr. - New England. Massachusetts

Funki - Thanks man I look forward to many in depth and knowledgeable discussions.

So I brought the lethal purple into the swamp today and planted two to each 22 gallon container. I still have two at the house just in case of disaster. The 18 gallons rather have maybe 12 gallons of promix each. About 22% of a bail of promix each. I am hoping for a couple thousand seeds. I do not think it would be good to sell the back crossed purple ones so I will just plant them outdoors next year myself to see how they reacted. I want atleast one mother of them for now to back cross in the future or get another grow else where with different strains and not have to wait 12 years to backcross them to increase the purple trait. I got some video which I am working on now. Got to do two more parts of part two for utube before I get to them though. The ones I transplanted look sick though mostly are not growing. I really think the majority of roots had already reached the bottom of the container when I transplanted them. I looked at some of the soil in one of the containers on the edge of the container and it was full of surface roots from the plant. I saw a crazy fungus flower that I had never seen before.

more pics

and one more set

Here are the links to the videos I got on Utube now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akj2zLAKXLU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjvZqoW5s5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51yUh4Y0LwY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7lMSuuS6tw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuxLf2__JQc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OffepCSFusQ

This video is from today

nice work karamaxul .. your plants are looking decidedly lush .. where you at man ... not UK eh ? ..

I am in New England USA my friend. Latitude 42 degrees north

So the swamp water sample I took weeks ago has gone from 4.2 to 5.73 at current time.

getting better then. i'd say your soil won't struggle to buffer that back up. top work mate

iamafunkimunki - I was checking out your grow last year. Could I ask what your total harvest was? They looked yummy

Cant wait to see how the Arjans Haze turns out. I believe that is the highest thc content of the many strains you got going this year.

Hi Karamaxul,

how's it going New England swamp dude?

Well I hope,but what are you doing getting all hung up on "highest thc content" figures,its like post counts,don't mean shit.

Or are you an Arsan,sorry Aryan, oops soorry Arjan fan?


Sorry,you know,Greenhouse,bubblehead genetics,don't even need to feed them,they'll finish just on marketing hype.

The Swamp and me are still vibeing.

What are post counts. I understand that the thc content is effected on what is feed to the plants and lack of scar tissue which many people like to fatten their pockets. I hear Arjans is high. I had seeds though one of Bush's bitches killed them if you would believe that. I may be surrounded by nazi's though I am not gaining patients if that is what you are referring to.

Where you at in this round world we share?

Hey Karamaxul. Where am I at? I'da thought you could read that easily from my posts............

Not sure where The Smoke is. I have seen lots of smoke. Could I get a color?

Now please tell me you're not talkin' shit for the sake of it.....


dur what,don't understand you........?

Hold up my doctor friend. All I meant is I did not pick up your region. Please dont take offense

Ah,the region tingy..

God forbid we lose summink in translation what ho pip pip?

Can't wait to go see the ladies. I want to see how purple they are. One of the seeds was mostly purple on the first leaves. The two on my roof do not show any signs yet. I am thinking to just breeding the most purple male in.

doc rock - you ok man?

so much for the breeding it looks like. I went to check on the seedlings today and found 7 out of 8 seemed to disappear. I still have two at the house that I may be able to breed in though they do not get much sun. The purplest is gone. The good news is the soil is still there for next year. I got a video that I will post a link to tomorrow. Some of the leaves are yellowing do to to much water which is building up N. They should be fine however I would like to see them doing better.

I am thinking 30 bails of soil next year. I may go with sunshine mix 7 though I am not sure yet. I am waiting on a quote for 30 bails of promix. Maybe I could go 10 bails of three different kinds of soil to see what fairs best in these conditions.

O more good news. http://www.webelements.com/index.html is begining to change their periodic table to the balance of mine. Los Alomos http://periodic.lanl.gov/default.htm is still lagging as to what the government pharmy fucks wish to teach. I am hoping soon they will change their thinking to cancer is bad.

Are you sure your site is not found?

My site is safe.

Glad to hear your site is safe Karmaxul.

Me ok? Sure man its just your posts are a bit eccentric,don't get me wrong,eccentric is good,its just I have bit of a problem following your train of thought sometimes.

I'm guessing here,are you a non American living in America? It's just that the language of your posts is a bit unusual,but hey,unusual is good!

Hope all is well back at the swamp.

I speak Chris which is much like english though with poor spelling.

sure is the highest thc content. prob won't reach it. i've smoked some from the same batch of seeds as mine and its good weed but not 27% imo. the yield last yr was around 17 oz dry. all a nice smoke, the durban was a bit poor but still not bad

What was up with the Durban Poison?

Just picked up 12 bails of promix for next year. I would like to get 18 more of promix and 30 bails of sunshine mix #7 if I have the funds. I still need to get at least 100 22 gallons which are about 4 bucks a piece. I may cut the promix with peat moss that is 5 bucks a bail at most to up the numbers. Perhaps 25% peat moss will be fine to cut it with. Will allow me to up the amount of 22 gallons I can afford. I think this weekend I am going to take a couple of clones from the ladies as I am getting in 250Watt flouro grow lamps in on Thursday.

poor quality imo. not something i'd buy again. finished nice and early, buds looked sexual on the plant but when dried and cured it lost most of its smell and taste and the high was pretty average compared to the other 2 strains i did

So I visited the ladies today.

A couple of the lower fan leaves had yellowed a bit so I filled up a zip lock with some that are drying out now.

I was noticing many beetles in the swamp water when I was filling the buckets up though they are very respectful of the plants so far.

I took four clones from the plants which are in a cloning tray now.

I would take a picture however my camera only works with natural light frequency so I guess I got to wait till tomorrow.

I got another video which will be up soon as well. Its only 65 second long with a glimpse of all the plants.

why dry the fan leaves?

I dont like to waste any of that headie flavor.

I cant smoke the pesticides on cigs or the chemicals they are grown with. Cuban cigars and backwoods are about the only tobacco I can handle. I was on steroids till age twelve as my lungs were so bad. Even after one cigerette I weeze at night. Organic ganja does not bother me though. I can smoke all day. In fact I did for years and my lungs got better. I think it was the balanced nutes that helped cure them.

so as a tobacco substitute then? interesting to say the least but i'm sorta seeing where your coming from mate. whatever rocks your boat

Its not a bad idea.
Might do that myself when mine throw there flowers.

Here are the plants as of today