one more for the shit list then by looks of things.

i dunno much about the breeders and the backgrounds but in last few months gone something like....

arjan bloke makes better dolls than ganja all vastly overrated and priced though

subcool the one i asked bout, cheeky wee swine want everyone bow down at his feet

now this one, the del boy of the comedy trio

is there more?

its pages 49-50 in the 2007 edition 2. theres an edition 3 out now so this is last months edition.

with ya dude - i got the latest, have to get last months

you can read it online.

There seems to be few rip off merchants about...Joolz any chance of creating a section on the forum were people not to buy from or be cautious about can be posted?

Would save alot of people hard earned cash

you know what really annoyed me about the HotHouse article, even tho that prick Q knows what UK420 and OT1 thinks of him and his "project" he still chose to drop OT's name like he was his guru or something

maybe Softsecrets should interview OT

Queijo again? Man's a con-artist, a bad'un to the core.

I don't even know this queerjoe bloke but he sounds like a bad un , did he get banned from this site then ?

Dont get ripped off...

With a bit of luck someone may rip queerjoe's head off

did he get banned from this site then ?

he has to drop names to give himself any credibility because on his own he has none

this is from a thread named BAD KARMA from another uk site that HotHouseFlowers is selling his crap to.
seems the site admin are filled with as much bullshit as HHF.
seems his found a happy home.

I am fully aware of the past events to do with hhf, i even went as far as to contact lots of supposedly effected parties explaining im trying to protect my members from possible wrong doings.. do you think i received 1 speck of proof?? to answer that , no i dibnt, just a whole heap of hearsay and tit for tat...

i do not judge people without facts, i will not be pulled into a whitstorm of he did this , he didnt do this, teh facts are this, i built this board to help teh cannabis scene improve, ie to bring genetics to teh table evaluate them , report them and get them out to the members that are interested in genetics not personalities... it seems most breeders have haters, someoen always does somthing that upsets someoen else in this game, there is too much to gain by competition bad mouthing their competition, this just clouds truth and spreads mistrust, i wont encourage it here.

If you do not want to buy off hothouseflowers then simply dont support him with your hard earned money, choose a different breeder, simple. This is not a place to judge character but skill , breeding skill and knowledge, the breeders taht produce good solid genetics will prevail, the ones that dont,will fall off the spot and be forgotten.

Please dont let hear say cloud your judgement of soemoen, please base your actions on hard facts, not just because you read a claim somewher, especially when these claims still havent been backed up with any fact..

, anyone preferring skank to dank , please close teh door on your way out...

You and ACE show themselves to exactly what you are. There is nothing there that is fact or truth. So carry on with your slanders, while we carry on sharing genetics.


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yeah, i'll happily elaborate, but before i do, i'd like to say i've never ordered from this thieving scumbag,



A good start. You call others stupid, yet you are happy to comment on things you have no personal experience of?


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firstly, without getting into too much detail, HHF aka queijo, set up a seed vendor business were he stole genetics from other breeders, hacked them into hermie seeds and sold them to unsuspecting customers (well those lucky enough to receive anything at all after sending him payment).



Any examples of this 'hacking other breeders work into hermies'. Which other breeders and what lines?

At that time we had only TW and cheese bx lines offered, both lines being used as breeding tools by other companies to this day. Neither of these lines came from anyone else, how could they, no one else had them then and no one does now.

Unique terpenoids and unique highs created from other breeders genetics huh? who had these genetics then that sent them to us? Unique things come from using unique genes, thinking otherwise is real stupid..


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Instead of dealing fairly with his customers and vendors quiejo packed his bags along with the money he made ripping people off and set himself up in southern spain/portugal.



! total BS. Queijo spent a fortune sending replacement seeds for those that did not germ supplied by some Cannadian seed hacks who are proven community destroyers as all who know them know. Same people who have been proven to claim 7 years work and thousands of plants smoked to find elites, when in fact they where renaming others hacks. Total dream land..

It really does not matter what you think we do with money we do not have, as those close to us know exactly what we do and why.

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He then went on to rename all his stolen seed lines and become a breeder under the name of HotHouseFlowers.



Bullshit, what we call colombian black is what then? its been called this for a long time, ! nutters..go and find me the 'breeder' who got his lines renamed, wtf, nuts. as far as i know there are not many out there with pure anythings that share them.


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and in a recent article in 'soft secrets' he still has the audacity to namedrop OT AS IF HE WAS HIS MENTOR, even though OT was one of the peeps he ripped off big time,




Bullshit. I have never used the words Mentor. OT taught me much thats for sure and i was lucky enough to personally communicate with him using real names for a time and i will never be able to thank that man enough for what he has given me. Not genetics, but some of the skills and knowledge gained, routes followed since changed my life for the better.


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maybe soft secrets should interview OT, and we'll see what kind of a person HHF is,



SS should definitely interview OT1 for sure, but not about this sort of shit, about the real truths and knowledge he has. From all i know from him most is not for public forums, he could write many books if he wanted to, let alone articles.


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and in case my word aint good to you guys, here's a quote from A.C.E from another site



, your word? these words you type from behind false handles? why, does your own have no respect? based on no facts and others internet posts. I think this is a adult audience here, go back to you cyber home and grow up a bit.

As for Dubi's words they are a complete and utter disgrace to him and a reflection of him and upon no one else.

They are not Charlies words so make sure you qualify sources. Charlie is a part of ACE but not a part of this shit.


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Queijo as known now as HotHouseFlowers , had a website 2 years ago. he was very interested to distribute new seedbanks based in their own landrace genetics. He was a very passionated person and stupid of us we trusted in him. We sent him lot of landrace seeds (pakistan, jamaican, ...)to work in preservation projects and lot of ace stock to sell in his website.




Bullshit, these are not 'ACE lines'. These are lines held by Charlie Garcia and shared with those who he wants to see progress and learn, for the benefit of the plant. As he has often said we have access to his lines if we want them, and Charlie has open access to anything we have now or any time in the future. I spoke with him last this morning on such matters so im pretty sure.


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It was the time we were doing the haze preservation for Oldtimer.



Bullshit, i was sent clones after germinations of seeds. You where not doing ACE, ACE where never asked to undertake this project, this was a personal request to Charlie Garcia of CBG to handle this it was he who handed these clones out from seed via Wolfman and after discussion with OT1. ACE was not mentioned, i was there.

At the time this was all a big risk. Less than 50 seeds in circultation and ACE got gardens robbed. What would have happened if something when wrong with Charlies gardens? these where all events i think Charlie took into consideration and protected against.

Under Charlies guidance this project was a success, there is now multiple lines created and being shared with cultivators around the globe of a plant line that was almost lost. The fact is people are now working to further that line, means it has future.

Dont you remember the seeds sent to Shanti, half the stocks? they where handed on and handed on as they dont have time for them or the will for that work according to Kashgari, i believe that too, as the collectors of our Colombians sent seeds of many lines there too, none has ever been preserved or shared on to our knowledge.

We did and do what needs doing, if we dont do this as a community and do not get the community involved in protecting these plants they are lost. Charlie knows this and this is why he does not want this shit, shares genetics and pleads for progress and peace.

When it comes down to it, the only safe future for this plant is these communities. We are the custodians of the gene pool. Without sharing these lines out as far and as wide as is possible they could be lost. History proves it and you want to divide and claim property rights.


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Charlie, a member of my collective



Charlie keeps asking you to stop posting this shit so why use his name? Stop dragging him into it. He does neither deserve or wish for it. I will speak to Charlie in PMs or on the phone if we need to talk.


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did the wrong act to send to Queijo/HHF the first haze parental clones and haze hybrids seeds we were using (far from being the best ones, haze tests and grows were not finished at that time).



Bullshit. Charlie has never sent me any 'haze hybrids' how could there be hybrids sent the same time as the clones when they where ungrown at that time.


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Charlie sent him the clones because HHF/Queijo was lying us saying he was doing our contact with ***** staff and promised to give the clones and seeds to Oldtimer but he never did it. He kept the clones for his own profit and started to sell untested haze seeds and haze hybrids (like columbian haze) seeds.



Colombian haze is derived from our lines from Aldous and others in Colombia, has nothing to do with your line sent to me which was red x gold. Madness.

Same shit as before huh. Remember you where shouting about us crossing your Thai to haze, until you fucking managed to remember you never sent us any Thai's, , absolute nutters.


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He never commented our preservation work or where he got the haze clones to do his filthy job.



Bullshit, i have qualified where the clones came from many times ffs. Ive given Charlie many times respects and great affection for his work , not just with Haze but with many lines. I have even given public respects to ACE and Dubi for there work while watching them do what they do.


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Queijo had to close his website after many problems with
customers.



Bullshit, it was closed due to a security scare and breach.


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People didnt received their payed ace orders, we never recived anything for the comemrcial seeds we sent him for his website,



Bullshit and real fucking twisted. You know those seeds went to 420 and im sure you where paid for them. Sad, sad bullshit..


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so as you can see queijo stole us and manipulated us. I had to re send again many ace seeds to stolen Queijo's customers.



Bullshit, to replace the lines you pulled from the catalogue due to hermies when they went out to customers.


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HHF/Queijo dissapeared for a few mounths .... we thought it would be his end



Bullshit, We never went away anywhere,


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but we were clearly wrong, he mutated into a new identity (HHF) selling seeds creating Breeder's Choice (Thieves),



Bullshit.


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Zamalito saw the filthy business and joined with him.



Zamalito is a good man, true and does not deserve to be insulted by you.

He is well loved in this community a torch bearer and you bring this shit to the community. How many times now? at least 4 times over 3 years you say the same things about other breeders. Sad this is the only way you can see to advance your cause,


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I emailed Zamalito as i thought he was a good person working with the wrong team but i only received insults and unrespect from him. Nothing about plants and work.



LIAR, appallingly weak human. You sent Zam a lot of abuse in PM's and reputation, you disgusting weak man. You keep on craving the respect..


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Im very sorry to communicate this negative comments but i think is very important people know our experience. Sad!



People will see through you.

I do not understand the other aspects of the seedbusiness so those people who want to maintain themselves this way, carry on. We are just at opposite ends of different spectrum's and there is nothing to talk about.

If you wish to do this shit and are another breeding company like ACE, or these 2 posts wonders that cannot reveal themselves themselves because of who they are, then make your complaints and supply your evidence to Gypsy. We will not be dragged down to this level where we answer to idiots we kicked out of our conservation led 'collective' a couple of years ago.

If i was you i would spend your time working with plants and improving your game. You wont get anywhere through trolling forums to try and slander other breeding companies.

Peace all, hhf

A brief history, In the eighties I sought out breeders who lived in areas where there was real sun there was little interest in long flowering sats, indicas were the word of the day. What I had were haze seeds, I sent out to lots of people in the eighties and then again in the early nineties via contacts I made on the net, the idea was that they grow them, rogue and reselect and bulk them up, then return some for my cold store archive, time was running out on the stocks I held. One of the last I sent to was someone called LadyJ from SoCal. Many promised but no one fulfilled what I asked, I thought thats it they are gone.

Yes I used to exchange a few PM’s with Cheesy later called Queijo as I do with lots of members, [currently about 500 PM’s a month] he was an interesting young man who was just learning to grow cannabis, I did not know him in fact I never met him in real life, in 04 he gave me a link to a topic at CW asking if I was the Ot1 being mentioned. I looked and there was a member called Gant saying he had a small number of Ot1 seeds that a friend called wolfman had made, apparently LadyJ had passed the seeds I sent asking him to take on the task I asked to be done.

I contacted Gant, he asked me to prove who I was, I put him in touch with ~RC~ the owner of CW and OG who verified who I was. Gant was going to split the seeds between several breeders to continue the task, the Spanish brothers were one of them, I had talked to Dubi from time to time in the past at OG so I suggested my share go to them, also southern Spain was close to the latitude where the lines were first made.

I don’t believe that people should own genetics, my normal analogy is if you pay for a bit of land, its yours to use, make a living from, you should care for it maybe improve it, your children may inherit its use but I don’t feel you ever own it. With plants if someone works at breeding a seed line they should get a return for their work.

Summer 05 both dubi and kaiki contacted me keeping me updated, finally in late august they wanted to send me cuts of the most likely lines, for me to say what I thought I said I was not in a position to receive cuttings. kaiki got back to me saying its ok Queijo was going to receive them for me and that they had sent both cuttings and seeds for me, I left it for a week or so then contacted Queijo asking him if I had got right what kaiki had said, he replied sep the 1st 05 saying yes I have haze cuts for you, I’m going to root them and veg them for you, a week or so later he contacted me saying don’t worry the cuttings and seeds are safe with me, I won’t abuse them or your trust. I thought weird but replied no problem I’m in no hurry.

Thats the last I heard from Queijo for some while, The day before the second hemp expo early November dubi and kaiki who Queijo had told them he would collect from the airport and that he had hotel rooms booked for them as his guests.

Literally a couple of hours before they were due to board their flight Queijo contacted them saying he had an emergency to deal with in Holland and it was all off. Both kaiki and dubi contacted both Jools and myself telling us about it, if we had had a little time we would have organised the things Queijo had promised. kaiki decided not to come and lost the cost of his return fair, but dubi had old friends in north London, they had a place for him to stay, so he came. Dubi was a nice young man we did our best to make him welcome, I gave him a lift to his friends as it was not far from me, the way they had been treated, made me ashamed of being English, the most interesting thing was that both kaiki and dubi were shocked that I had never met Queijo and had, had no more contact with him than they had. They were also shocked that I never received the cuttings and seeds they sent for me.

As soon as the hemp expo was over I contacted Queijo telling him how disgusted I was with him the way he had treated kaiki and dubi. He never replied, I refused to talk to him after that.

Jan/Feb 06 queijo.co.uk put Ot1 haze seeds for sale in their online shop.

Early this year Gant asked Queijo to make restitution and send me what was my due, he sent me copies of the exchanges, I told Gant no threats please, I don’t believe in violence. The stories were interesting, like Ot won’t answer my emails, I did not know where to send them, [even though I had told Queijo and he knew exactly where they should go] Gant was patent and arranged for a third party destination who Queijo knew and who I trusted, it all came to nothing just more fairy stories and broken promises.

I swore this was something I would never put in the public domain, I drew a line, let it go! But I can’t stand by while dubi is being libelled, he should not be defamed for speaking out. dubi and kaiki are both people that I have found honourable and true to their word! Gypsy and Old Pink you know me in real life, you should not allow this defamation of dubi’s character stand.

I know nothing of what deals Queijo had with either dubi or kaiki, I can only say how I was treated and saw how you treated dubi and kaiki! Queijo you asked me to get you the chemical to make STS, I got them for you, you know I'm poor with little money, 3 yrars is a long time and I'm still waiting to be paid, so much for your respect for me.

Yours Ot1.

fair play to ya OT1.
RESPECT

oh its all kicking off on the other forum 1888bhoy your post is still there it needs a reply oh btw bump!