looks like thay didnt like what was being talked about and closed the topic

Is a way to spread again more shit and lies... you get not chance to reply to lies.

Well I disagree a lot with the tone of this type of threads as really dont contribute much to whole community and always go to the negativeness instead of talking about plants and respect. I fighted always for tolerance in cananbis and with anyone to express and think themselves. But sometimes is hard to stand it even if I am calm person and try to be polite or even if I tried to work for peace among everyone... results are not worth. A shit is a shit and I cannot change it. Even with real facts they still will manipulate the only valuable thing... your word and your truth.

Someone in such thread said world was like fucking each other... not in my world!! man is our decission to allow a sad world and we must fight to make it better if we want or then we shouldnt complain.

Wish I could express myself better on english... prefer deep talks in spanish... another reason for me not to go into debate with some who uses english words like a knife

Best to all
Kaiki/charlie

just to say thanks for the info in this thread-i didn't know about this and now sure won't be putting any buisness their way

cheers

Hi all,
Yes thank's very much for this, it is enlightening for those of us who have just picked up on the story, I too read the latest softsecrets article with HHF, and I'm sad to say I was taken by the piece, especially as OT1's name was thrown in, and there was a little line about how HHF were proud to 'take cannabis to the next level'.
what an absolute mercinary
Peace all
ohhh btw nice posts OT1 and Dubi also Kaika

ot1 just under the sugarbabes you are now on my list of people I would like to meet before I die .

i think thers a lot of peeps who would like to meet him (put me on the list )

mmm need any1 to brush out the grow room

you said it well anyway Charlie and good on you for saying your bit

i have afew things to say on this subject and wll be posting a reply later as im busy right now and its going to be a VERY VERY long reply

I'll have a go now, but will try to keep it short and to the point...

Quiejo is a liar, a thief, a cheat, and a self confessed conman.
Ive watched this unfold from day 1, and I am shocked that he has managed to con so many innocent victims!

Cheesy, as he was known used to PM me regular. About allsorts really to begin with, mainly grow questions... you see he was only just starting to grow and was after any advice he could get.
We exchanged PM's for a while and out of the blue he offered me a whole load of free seeds, I think he was hoping id offer him something in return. I never did, but accepted his kind offer.
Nothing ever came of it, as I already knew that it wouldn't. He was probing for what I had, not making a kind gesture! I never met Cheesey, but for some reason he felt compelled to tell me his life story, which included a multi million pound tax fraud scam! I now know im not the only one to hear this story. That was it, the alarm bells began to ring...

I told my friends at uk420 about Cheesy, and we agreed that he was one to watch...

A lot of what happened next is common knowledge, Quiejo.co.uk, stealing the haze line, stealing reeferman stock, ripping 3lb's off, etc etc etc etc etc etc and just generally fucking people over, good people at that!

This man is scum. I have seen him lie, cheat, and rip off my closest of friends.

Posts like this are really hard to write, I hate writing anything negative and I couldn't possibly put into words my true feelings regarding this waste of carbon!

Reading the various posts around the net where he is spinning his web of lies has made me feel sick to the pit of my stomach.

Dubi is a good man, I have met him more than once. I trust him, and I believe what he says to be the truth and nothing else!

As far as im concerned GypsyNirvana & OldPink @ icmag, and the 'danksta' himself pistils @ bb are soley to blame for this man being allowed to continue to trade, and continue to rip people off!

They know exactly who he is, and exactly what he's about!
Sadly, with these people, it is about one thing and one thing only... Money!

VRG

Cheers for the heads up, was looking at his seeds on b******y but will totally avoid now.I wouldn't normally jump onto a bandwagon without looking into the details myself thoroughly first but the posts on here and the people who have posted them mean i don't have to.
Why do people have to be like this? All for a few quid more ?
I know its human nature and some people are just wrong 'uns it just seems worse somehow in the community that we inhabit.Its not like we don't have enough to contend with what with the police and all.


Peace to almost everyone

Shame Queesy's got nowt t say on the matter

Yo Queesy, where's me Thai mate? Still waiting...

Heres an email i saved from queerjo..I wished i'd have saved more

I am not a liar either and folk that know me would tell you the same... but i recieved absolutely nothing from queerjo after all the promises from him.I never asked him for nothing neither..He was the one that contacted me offering me seeds not long after i joined here

The only reason he did that was to try and butter me up and get a cut of a plant which i had, which he also tried with others that had got it too,but it didnt work as i'd already been warned funnily enough of this guy cheesy/queerjo



From the 29th july 2005

thats fucking brilliant owd - pure QueerJo that is - Im sending em in the morning faf

you really are a fucking penis arent you Queesy?

ed for sp

send em in the morning mate
posted em fella, they're on the way
yeah you'll get em in next coupla hours its before 1 post and its only 11 now
Im actually on the phone to ya postie now mate, here's five minutes away.
He's at your door now standing outside

waddya mean he aint there, Im speaking to him.
and so on....

Oldtimer Sir, that you have drawn a line and cut your losses makes you a better person than that little shite. At least the genuine articles are now available via ACE. That must make you proud and why not?
Forget the canna capitalists... They dont care for the cause or the community and are happy to remain 'outside' as parasites. Quejio is a good example. Remember mate, the last blast is yours.
You have taught me a lot too inadvertently and indirectly perhaps but I hold you in some esteem. I know that doesnt pay the bills though but what goes around..

Hats Off

Lsl

Well having read some of that I feel somewhat less significant, im still germing. Or just sprouted? Anyway another very interesting read, I dont really want to say too much being a newbie and all but this guy needs putting down a peg. He sounds like a manipulative little f****r, anyway you chaps weren't to know, it sounds like you've all dealt with this well and put most of it behind you!

Where ever you may be 'queerjo' I hope one day karma comes round your way!

And I would just like to say that the Trainwreck line was

Throatwreck you mean?

right well Q/hhf i have been keeping up with your replies to people who have challenged you and your morals on Bbay and icmag and you are bang out of order bro

you are constantly saying that you have respect for ot1 etc but i will show you how much respect you have for OT1 .First lets start with my story of you

Lets go back a little here to when you lived in the UK, back when we were learning about breeding and talking about ideas and sharing genetics as you say you are doing now and how this would be achieved, at the start of queijo.co.uk etc etc? Then i remember saying to you i would love to try out an original Aerics 77 calio clone sometime in the future as i have heard a lot about its smell and would like to see what everyone is on about.

You very kindly at the time offered to send me one,which i have to say surprised me as i thought it was a rare clone over here in the uk so i said yeah man but hadn't really got anything worth while to give in return. Although come to think of it after, you knew i had a persons version of ESB and I knew you were trying to get ESB off him!

Looking at Owd’s and VRG's posts it seems you have done similar things there and i think i know what you were trying to get from them as well haze x*cough* and you'll be lucky governor

You said no problem and then said you had sent the clones, i waited and waited and nothing after about 1/1.5 weeks then you said something had happened and you hadn't sent them or something? and that you would send them again, which you did but then proceeded to tell me sent me the ones that were meant to go to a different friend and that you had sent his to me so you had sent me different clones but it should have the A77 cali o among them.

so they get here and well lets say i didn't feel i had the right to complain as they were free (they were not healthy cuts dude) just a bundle no labelling, so i just got on with getting them rooted, now as for labelling them so i knew what they were ok again no biggy they were free and out of the kindness of his sharing heart so ill mum them up and go from there.

I even remember asking you if you could tell me which one was the A77 cal-o i to which you said no

so anyway time goes on i grow some of them out and start noticing something i had never had before SPIDERMITES big fuck off shiny ones and thrip ?????

where did they come from ?

I take a look at the new clones and guess what .......BINGO you sent me a what i can only describe as a super mite that took me about 1.5 years to eradicate and thrip which took me about 6 months to get rid of ,off of all my other mums/keepers to. now i was getting passed the "it was free bit" and getting a little annoyed

Anyway i got on with flowering cuts of these strains you sent me looking specifically for the Aerics 77 cali o ,only to realise that it wasn't there so i spoke to you and you said it was cheese and a Trainwreck from sts? Not one of them could support itself properly it was like having whip stems but on all off them,the yields were poor specially the TW which was like 7-10 grams dry weight per plant ????????

The cheese was ok to smoke, unlike TW but the plants wen't worth growing with stems like that all went in the bin which helped to eradicate the bugs to and i just smiled and said cheers

There are more and more thing i could go into like almost sending you esb, i made my excuses and then forgot about it ,thank god i did.

Then lets move forward a little by this time you had fucked over dubi and kaiki as ot1 has described when you arranged them to come over here and hotels etc , then cancelled, i was at the expo and met Dubi and was told then what you had done.

i seem to remember a time before that ,which i will admit right now I'm not qualified to say much about as i only heard the aftermath of a trip you were supposed to have to Canada as VC/Reeferman’s guest or something, you had left them standing at the airport for ages, well long enough for someone to contact Joolz to see if he knew where you were and you were still in the uk???

They were frantic thinking you had been busted at customs, you were just sitting at home and not bothered to let them know??? remember?

Fuck knows what you said when you did get in touch, your usual excuses were the baby has a temperature, the car won’t start, they are in the post, again and again and again, you had an emergency and had to go to Holland, the hospital with the baby, just to quote a few of the excuses you used to give people when you let them down.

Then lets move forward to when Gant/wolfman found out about you liberating the stuff that was supposed to go back to OT1, something i know you remember as you seem to use it a martyrdom propaganda tool from what i have read.I did you a favour then and you know what that was. If you want to bring it all out into the public arena then feel free but i will be here to make sure the story is told right, personally i think it should remain gone, done and dusted which means shut up but the choice is yours on that one, just know i wont be stepping in again to help you, you are on your own.and why oh why didn't you just take the opportunity to put things right when that happened?

i even gave you a place to send the things and told you if you did that you would be left in peace, you were told this by someone else to, but you just AGAIN and AGAIN kept putting off doing the right thing, until the last thing i remember doing was trying to log into Queijo.co.uk and finding it had gone offline and not just down for repair, as i couldn't get back in, then it was down to waiting to see if you pm’d me at this site and nada, i wasn't going to chase you around reminding you, i would of thought it was pretty clear how some people felt and i had my own things to get on with.

so did you and you could of got on with things without this ever coming back to bite you on the arse ,which it is doing again and probably will do again and again and again because the more people realise the DISRESPECT you have shown to a certain highly respected person, the more they wont hopefully want to buy your stuff its called consumer choice .

Personally i don't care if you think you have the holy grail of cannabis i wont ever be buying your stuff just based on the disrespect you have shown Oldtimer1 in the using of his name in public articles, as mentioned by firefox on icmag and the reason this thread has started here.

the disrespect you have shown Dubi for standing up for himself while you and your sheep keep snipping at him for speaking the truth and you know it is.

you always talked about karma specially when talking about what you did before coming to uk420 like has been mentioned earlier in this thread and making good well you made your choices and chose your path and i wish you luck but karma is going to do what its going to do and it will bite you on the arse sometimes as some of your sheep keep saying ie the FUCK MORAL STANDARDS guy on icmag thread funny you ever heard you attract the same kind of people to yourself that have a similar personality ,well it does and it looks like you are attracting some real stunners there dude

now lets look at the disrespect of Oldtimer1 that you have shown..

we shall start with the part of the thread where you reply to Firefox's accusations against you and very specifically this part



for someone so versed in how to use words almost like a spin doctor you made a slight slip here can you see it ? standing out like a bad comedy sketch?

let me show you. firstly Firefox says "name drop OT AS IF HE WAS HIS MENTOR" he didn't say that you said OT was your mentor either. we all know how to imply something without actually saying it and thats what you did.

then there is the bit where you reply "I have never used the words mentor"? yeah buddy but neither did you deny ripping OT1 off the slightly more serious point that you were accused of yet you manage to avoid it by saying "i never used the words Mentor" very smooooth , personally i think it required an answer to the more serious accusation of ripping OT1 off rather than a tiff on words that you have advantage over,gift of the gab you do have in droves don't you

Then directly after you start to name drop AGAIN



smooth turn around bro almost politician esque wouldn't you say ? and given you yes he did didn't he because you haven't paid for them yet have you so technically he had not choice but to give those chemicals to you , your good ill give you that



and this is laughable changed your life for the better since you can start charging joe public for things that aren't yours and make a living out of other peoples work you cant say you don't know what its like to make money out of seeds as you tasted the tip of the iceberg and now you want more as you are well aware that your version of sharing includes charging others .

then you go to this



again very smooth, god forbid someone interview OT1 about you?

Now its all such a minor point but when you were slagging dubi and firefox off it meant enough then and you right he does have a lot of knowledge some not for public forums ,like you . Ot1 didn't want to bring this to public forums and you know that to but with your constant attacked on Dubi by you and your sheep like zamalito, who accuses firefox of being Dubi ?? then starts slagging Dubi off and still hasn't taken the Mod warning from under firefox's post,

Firefox


when OT1 did reply you urge your friend Zamalito to close the thread and again snub your nose at it like again its not something worth going into ? now you cant reply eh ?

the truth is i could go on and on with yours and zamalitos post but i think i have said what i needed to say ,now its "been recorded" as you put it on icmag i can wash my hands of it now

good luck Q I'm finished with this now

I agree wholeheartedly
This whole episode is unbelievable - i cannot believe that there are such arseholes in existance who would cause summat like this
he sounds like a complete fucking twat

Redgrotto

sounds like summat I would say

the saga continues...if this has been posted already I do apologize
from <link removed>

Yeah it was taken from this thread but good to see it's getting around. You'll need to remove that link though bud.

I've just had a look at the breeder's choice forum and noticed Tom Hill has given them his genetics to work with How does this shit happen? Fucking scumbag Queerjoe, the very definition of a con man.

Nail
Head
Bosh!

Very sad.

Thanks for speaking out on the matter OT, Joolz and ACE. I'd heard good things about Queijo in the past and it's hard to know what the truth is sometimes.

Bread heads everywhere

horrible affair. very sad. good to know, but not good. ach...

C~ray?

Good to see you here, I still grow your x crosses, the thai was poo though,imho. And karma is a Bitch!
As he will find out.

I like your work

Set up shop at Subby's and icmg, and whats noticable is respected growers that in the past have frowned on him, now apparently are on the bandwagon, he must be sharing OT's genetics around, or money, or both. Is there no integrity and honor anymore in anything, all bout the bottom line and what can I get out of the deal? Little disheartening, but not completely unexpected, I must say.

You're exactly right man, people really want the genetics and other breeders are fawning all over them cos of Zamalito's reputation. Everyone knows what happened I just don't get why people don't think he's going to fuck them over especially the other breeders. Mental.

first he steals the seed, then he hypes the seed, then he takes orders for the seed, then he blames distribution problems for the seed never arriving then he dissappears and then he comes back and reinvents himself and the same mug website owners gives him another home

birds of a feather

seems the breeder's choice forum has been closed down over at icmag

And all of Hot House Flowers/QueerJoe's posts have been deleted.

It's true, the whole forums gone

Oh dear is that the sound of pigeons coming home to roost ? Oh if only I could see Queesy Joe's face right now I bet it would be a picture.

Now I'm off to gloat quietly

Ha! It's all about the weed, not all this negativity, maaan! It was really bumming us out!

So rather than face the truth, we've decided to move any of that shit onto Queerjoe's own site.



Sauce

Karma and Jaggarnath,the wheel of Shiva,seem to working quite fast on this one.......

The problem with that Soft secrets article was that Q/HHF didn't actually know the meaning of most of the technical words being bandied around.......

"Forum closed" was the best thing I read today.

so there's is a breeder's choice website, so curious to see it
any url ?

breeders choice
there you go, nicked there name aswell as genetics

what a joke,i wonder if the friendly charade will be kept up when hhf's "distribution problems" start

Are zamalito and hhf really two different people?.......zamalito emerged shortly after the queijo website palava, and then was fairly quite when hhf was posting alot......

Here's some vintage cheesy/queijo/hhf/many, many other usernames.....



Aaahhh, that takes me back

and a new acquisition from round these parts:


[LINK REMOVED]

watch for the hermie lemon thai.......

Thought it worth bumping as Queijo was mentioned recently and some new members may not be familiar with the sorry affair.

Keep away from Breeders Choice

I am absolutely amazed at the gaul that some people have.

I only have a very very limited knowledge of two of the guys in this thread, OT1 and Dubi(A.C.E.), and from what I know, both are very very decent gentlemen.

Fortunately for me I've never come into contact with the others involved, and never wish to.

R.E.S.P.E.C.T. to OT1 and Dubi.....

Thanks for bumping this Felix, as a new(ish) member, I'd not heard of any of this.

Beware of cannabiseye, this is HHF new site.
He will lure you in and steal your money.

Rather amusingly the top thread there is currently titled "4 months and still no seeds !!!"

e4 composition.

I am very glad to notice this post as I kinda knew that OT1 was a good man anyway! There will always be nivarious people in this world like queigo in all walks of life. It pays for us consumers to read up and do our homework.......I gotta read more. I tried to download issues from soft-secrets site but it disconnects before the download is complete.Any ideas Showgirl

Yeah Showgirl,don't read soft secrets as its a comically shit publication with such rubbish written which you as relative newb should avoid like the plague as its full or incorrect information and bad info is worse than no info.

Theres gotta be tons better reading material you can find,honestly its really really naff.


E2a:On topic:Queer Joe sucks.

ok can't get in anyway Showgirl

what a fucking wanker!

I was warned a bit back by an old skool heavy heavy smoker, shithouse flowers fuk me I thought THC were dodgy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

EM2

http://www.breeders-choice.com/

I use pedigree chum

I notice he doesn't have "distribution problems" any more - now it's "shipping problems". How hard is it to post something?

I too didn't know anything about this until I read this link yesterday, very interesting indeed. As was the thread I read on icmag for over an hour yesterday where Sam the Skunkman was arguing with various people on the origins of his original Haze. There are certainly interesting stories from the cannabis breeding world aren't there!