<strong>Oldtimers Haze</strong>

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<strong>Genetics</strong>: 100% sativa. Hybrid of different tropical sativas: Mexican, Purple Highland Colombian, Southern Indian (Kerala) and Thai.

The Haze was developed in California in the 1960s and 70s by crossing some of the best tropical sativas which had been imported during that period. Its exact genotype remains unknown, but it is probably a hybrid of different sativas from Mexico, Southern India, Colombia and Thailand, the two latter being the most dominant in the final hybrid.

This mythical sativa, which has been the starting point for the development of the best hybrids of the past decades, was about to disappear during the 1980s due to the introduction of skunks and indicas in the breeding scene.

Our Haze population comes from the last reproductions made with this variety in California, and it has been preserved intact until today by Oldtimer, a British breeder, and then reproduced by our breeders using a wide diversity of parental plants.

Oldtimer&rsquo;s Haze still preserves the genetic diversity that many present Haze lines have already lost, and it is possible to find phenotypes ranging from the mythic and nearly extinct &ldquo;Purple Haze&rdquo; to the most popular &ldquo;Green Haze&rdquo; phenotype, and of course intermediate combinations as well.

By flowering the Hazes at low temperatures, the garden fills with beautiful autumn colours that vary from light green to red, blue and purple.

The flowers gather forming willowy bunches that achieve good volume, when grown under optimum conditions.

Oldtimer&rsquo;s Haze has an incalculable value for every preservationist, collector and breeder that is looking for a Haze&rsquo;s population that still conserves all quality and genetic diversity of the original hybrid.

Oldtimer&rsquo;s Haze is a delight for 70s sativas lovers, a trip back into the past for all those who could not enjoy it at that time.

<strong>Structure:</strong> Slim and elegant plants, with a tall, branched structure. Medium-length internodes. At the time of growing, the leaf is very thin and shows a pale colour. It reacts very well to pruning.

<strong>Bouquet:</strong> Dark, fruity aroma, with earthy touches of ashes, incense and antique wood aroma.<br>
Green Haze&rsquo;s aroma is fruitier (like tropical ripe fruit), while Purple Hazes smell like blackberry and black liquor.

<strong>Effect:</strong> Strong stimulating and mental effect, without heaviness or physical weakening. A high level of THC and low level of CBD together produce a no-limit effect, which allows you to get higher and higher with each intake. It can produce anxiety and paranoia in high doses and/or to persons prone to these conditions.

<strong>Flowering:</strong> it takes between 16 and 24 weeks, depending on the plant&rsquo;s size and the flowering conditions. Outdoors it ends between the end of December and January.

<strong>Production/m2:</strong> Medium-low.

<strong>Growing type</strong><br>
<strong>Indoors:</strong> we only recommend it to extreme sativas lovers and breeding projects.<br>
<strong>Outdoors</strong>: Only in tropical or subtropical climates. Within latitudes between 20&ordm; and 35&ordm;, we would recommend a warm, coastal climate and the use of a greenhouse.

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Congratulations to you OT1,

to get the Original Haze back and available to growers.

Bit of a fanfare and pop the shampers moment really.






Rockster

awesome stuff ot1..

Excellent
fantastic to know

nice one OT1

very nice, congrats ot1. will try it one day, definately

70 quid a packet!!!!

16-24 weeks flowering time!!!!

heh plant it now be ready fer xmas lmao

would love try something flowered for 24 weeks, i find it hard wait 8 weeks though so fat chance for me

il have 100 packets of each and congartulations go to dubi and A.C.E and ot1 cant wait

ya right MU, save yaself some time and money and buy Arjan's Haze instead of this crap I mean who wants the real Haze?

Apologies for my ignorance, but wots the difference between the three?

will deffo be getting a pack

OT1

er wasnt it A.C.E that did it ? dont there need to be more congrats to Dubi and A.C.E? just a thought

was wondering the same thing

Differing amounts of males used to pollinate certain amounts of females I think.

How that pans out and effects things I don't know.

the number denomination refers to specific mothers and fathers used in each breeding. if you do your home work you should be able to view pics of the parents used.. at least i think this to be true.. SG.

yep pro, congrats to OT and ACE

tis good, there was a time when I thought it'd be next to impossible to get the real Haze genetics, now everyone can

cheers guys

High all!

The Oldtimer's haze we recived 2 years ago had a great genetic diversity. The purple, green and purple/green plants were very frequent. It was our main goal to preserve this genetic diversity, that's why we have reproduced her using parents from both phenos. We are distributing different lines, each one produced and labeled with different haze parents. We will offer in the future other hazes lines .... growers and breeders have the chance to choose.

Haze 26 is a purple haze. Haze females 10 and 12 are green/purple hazes. Male 6 is a green male. Male 25 is a green/purple haze:

Purple/green Haze 10 X Green haze male 6
Purple/green Haze 12 X Green haze male 6
Purple haze 26 x Purple/green haze male 25

The price maybe sounds a little bit high. But think not only about the importance of the genetics.The reproduction costs of a tropical plants of this kind with a 5 mounths flowering time are also very high.

Thanks for all the interest! I hope it helps! dubi

so how many seeds per packet and if i wanted to buy in bulk could we do a deal ?

sounds good to me i trust you, so how much for 1000 seeds of each cross paid in cash ?

you know I want some!!!!!!

been waiting for this to come out for a while, cashes allready sent, ive gone for a purple haze, purlple/green haze cross

congrats and thank you to ot1, dubi n joolz

About bloody time too

Well done all @ ACE and Oldtimer and Joolz

I did not make haze, I just held the genetics for a while.

In the late eighties and the start of the nineties I tried to find someone who would reproduce the three strains I held, they were getting past their sell by date even for cold store, I looked for anyone who would grow them, rogue, reselect and then bulk them up under real sun before they disappeared completely.

No one was interested in pure sativas back then, I sent them to tens of breeders all over the world, no one did as I asked, I thought all of them had gone for ever. Until 2 to 3 years back Gant posted at CW how he had some oldtimer1 haze seeds that wolfman had reproduced. He was asking people to finish my request and reselect and bulk them up so they were conserved.

I made myself known to him, he would not believe I was the same Ot1 until RC the owner of Cannabis world confirmed who I was. I asked that my share of the seeds went to the Spanish breeders collective for them to work on.

As a small fill in one of the breeders who I sent seeds to in southern California did not ever take on the project but passed the seeds on to wolfman in Portugal on the bases he fulfilled my request.

To me strains of plants are a bit like land, So I’ll use the analogy of MPOV on land. You can hold land, you can work it, your family can hold it in its control for many generations but you never really own it. So I feel while you have the land in your care, that is what you should do, care for it! So future generation can have the pleasure of it in the future. If you are a good person you will leave it in better condition than you found it in.

I passed these genetics on years ago, when they were originally made there were no seed banks. Now they are in the hands of the Spanish brothers, its there turn to care for them.

The sad bit is only one of the three strains survived, so I failed.

without you we'd have none at all oldtimer.

Oldtimer1; foresight is something I've never had, and although I don't think I'll ever grow these, I congratulate you for seeing the importance and thank you for what you have done.

Sorry OT1,in no way can you have failed,as even to preserve 1 strain of unique genetics is an accomplishment in itself,and the fact it's preserved and available to those interested is really quite something.






Rockster

I would like just to thank you Oldtimer for all love and dedication you took for maintaining and spreading all good positive influences and genetics on many people asking not much than just take care of the genetics.

Looking at how you did, I can only show you my respect. Hope we didn't bother you much or made you lose much of your time with confusing questions trying to understand your line and then trying to be confidence on the task.

You never failed, maybe is us other guys how failed for years. We are so lucky and so proud to have had the chance to show you that things can be done. Its been a honour for all ppl who worked here in Spain. We dedicate this to you good man

My deep respects. Wish there were many others like you around.
take care
Kaiki

That is some story.

Absolute respect oldtimer

Peace

taffy

well said

Greatest respect and uplifting story ot1

Words cannot express how much I appreciate your work and what you have done.

To, experience what you all did during the time of freedom. Unfortuately for me I was born in the right place, but wrong time.

Being able to experience something like that, priceless.

Cool!

Bu.

To preserve something that long can't be regarded as failure, that's an awesome achievement for anyone.

We all owe you a huge debt of gratitude.
Thanks,
Felix.

hey guys

could you please tell me differences between the different haze crosses ? All of them have the same description so I dont know which parents I would prefer !

Thank you!

The fact that you managed to preserve one of them means you didn't fail, not at all. And maybe the others are still out there somewhere, if I read you correctly you didn't know that this strain had survived until you saw Gant's post.

its on page 2 mate

Oh bugger, something else to go on me 'must grow' list.

hey scarface

I know I saw page 2 . I was speaking in terms of high profiles . I want to try the one that will give the green east asian phenos

thanx!

Btw I would like to ask , didnt you find a very good green haze pheno ? I remember gant posting some of the phenos and there was a green female that he said was really really special , very trippy high ! Did you use that girl in one of your crosses ?

thank you!

Good sunday h4z3!

Purple/green parents were the most frequent expressions in the population. Only about 15-20% were green hazes. That's why we selected more towards the purple/green haze, because we had more parental plants to choose.

Hazes 18, 19 and 20 are green haze femals and male 6 is a green haze male.

I think you are talking about the vigorous and high yielding Haze 18. It's probably the most SE asian haze influenced plant we have found. The aroma is not so lemony like a pure thai, it's fruitier and 'woodier'. The high is very electric and euphoric.

Haze 19 has been a nice surprise this season. It's a slow plant while growing but the flowering is abundant. Her aromas are dark, hashy and woody with the desired incense aroma in the air. Quite similar to the dutch green haze aromas. The high is quite nervous and more disorienting than haze 18.

Haze 20 is the fastest haze parental (16 weeks) but hasnt got the quality and vigour of her sisters and has been avoided for reproduction.

We have a few green haze 18 x green haze 6 male packs which should show the most green haze influence line by now. Will produce more at the end of year with other green haze as well.

I also have produced a few Thai Koh Chang (classic green thai, SE asian pheno) X green haze male 6 seeds. Only a few to test, but should be interesting to try. It's an F1 tropical sativa hybrid combining 2 great green SE asian phenos.

Here's a link with our haze 2005 outdoor grow:

http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...238&hl=haze

Gant did a beautiful diary from germination to flowering. Im sure lot of people here already have seen the thread but should be an interesting reading for the others. I hope you enjoy the show!

More haze pics grown in pots, 2006 outdoor season.

Haze 3, a very purple haze influenced plant showing intense/purple red colours during the flowering.

A few pics at mid flowering ....

Haze 3 maturing ....

Another purple haze parental plant. Not so reddish like Haze 3 but showing very intense purple colours.

more ...

colorful flowers ...

Here's Purple haze 26, the most vigorous and high yielding purple haze, and mother of one the lines available at Uk420 store.

The small purple plant is not a purple haze, it's a philippine Kalinga.

Stunning

hey dubi!

This is the info I was looking ! thanks for your reply ! I remember gant offering me 10-20 pure haze seeds but then I told him to give them to someone else , because 10-20seeds are very little to do any selection/preservation work. I am really happy that you made it guys! Haze18xhaze6 seems very interesting ! Most of the purple characteristics come from the colombian genetics right ?

Did you find any hazes to have that dinstict earthy/peppery ( not lemony ) flavour , the same you get when you smoke a Neville's Haze?

Can you please post a pic or two of that female thai koh chang if you have ? Id love to see her !

Thanks again!
Can't wait to start my next haze grow!

EDIT: Just saw the pics ! excellent job man ! No matter how many times I will be looking those haze sativas , they are getting more and more interesting!

edit2 : I just saw your description of haze19 ( You say the high is quite nervous and more disorienting than haze 18.) This is the high I am looking for ! Did you use haze19 in any of your crosses ?

jesus they look lovely, awesome

Hi there Dubi,

you know the Haze or a version of it is being sold by the big seed banks and they claim it is was never hybridised?

Well how would that compare to ACE/OT1/Gants version? Or rather how would it differ?

I'm not a breeder obviously but I would have guessed you would have examined the various pheno's exibited in various crosses and selected desired traits and stabilised the desireable crosses as much as possible,rather than maybe the seedbanks just inbreeding and therefore homogenising it?



Curious of London.