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mr. clean
Protection Options

[Note: Much of this information is available elsewhere on UK420 or known to some and not others, but it tends to be scattered around the forums. Some information is contained in various people's Grow Diaries, some is in the Guerrilla Farming section, some is in the D.I.Y. section, some is in Problem Solving, some is contained in the FAQ. This is an attempt to summarise the major options in one place. If in doubt, use the Search function.]


There are a number of animals which can cause problems to outdoor-growing plants, and a number of methods for dealing with them.


Slugs and Snails

Slugs and snails will gladly feed on any young, soft plant, so your seedlings and freshly planted out crops are a feast waiting to happen. There are a number of ways to prevent slug and snail attacks, but they loosely fall into the categories of 'barrier' and 'distraction'.

'Barriers' work by placing an obstacle of some kind between the slug and the plant.

One of the most effective types used by growers on the forums has been the Copper Tape method. When a slug or snail slides over a copper surface, the motion of the animal combines with the liquid nature of the slime and the ions in the copper surface to induce an electro-chemical reaction which the slug finds very uncomfortable. Copper can be acquired from numerous sources, although the most effective sort is tape which is purpose-made as a slug-deterrent, and can be bought from good garden centres or online. This is one of the most popular and effective methods.

Other substances can be used as a barrier which also rely on the property of inducing discomfort in the attacker.

Crushed gravel can be spread around the plant in a ring, forming a surface the slug finds it uncomfortable to cross. Only certain types of gravel work, namely those consisting of fairly small, sharp particles. Gardenadvice.co.uk recommends using horticultural grit of between 4mm and 8mm in size; they also claim that vermiculite can be used similarly with up to 90% effectiveness.

In the same vein, some claim that sharp sand can also be used, as can crushed-up egg shells, although some doubt the effectiveness of doing this. It has been suggested that loft insulation can be used for a similar purpose, although it should be stressed that this is about as environmentally-unfriendly as it is possible to get, as the fibres in insulation do not degrade; whether it is any more effective than other measures is also open to debate.

Some have claimed to have great success using oats to deter slugs and snails, although this has the potential side effect of luring other wildlife (namely birds) who then feed on the oats. Dry bark is effective to the extent that slugs find its dehydrating nature hard to move against, but it has the downside of losing its effectiveness in the wet. Diatomaceous earth can also be used for a similar purpose, but its effectiveness is disputed and it is more expensive than other options.

smeagol offers another barrier suggestion:

QUOTE(smeagol)
Another option is to cut a 4-5inch piece of waste pipe. Cut one end around the circumference with some sharp wire cutters so that it is jagged. Carefully put this over the plant so you end up with the jagged side up. This is more or less 100% successfull with slugs and snails.


It should be noted that the barriers mentioned so far are a deterrent in the same way that home security is a deterrent. By making your home more secure, you don't really make it impervious to break-ins - something which is pretty-much impossible - but you do make the hassle of breaking-in worth less of a burglar's time than other available options. The same applies to deterrents. Given a choice between struggling to deal with an unpleasant barrier and eating something else, the majority of slugs and snails will go elsewhere. This doesn't mean that it's completely impossible for a slug or snail to breach the barrier, but it does greatly lessen the likelihood of it happening.

'Distraction' techniques rely on providing a more attractive option to the slug, rather than making the seedlings less attractive.

The Beer Trap is a common distraction that relies on the gastropods' love of sugar and alcohol. A small container, such as a jam jar, is sunk into the ground and filled with a little beer (anywhere from a centimetre upwards). Containers placed on their side can be used to protect against rain. Slugs will be attracted to the beer trap and drown in it. It has some downsides in that: it can be susceptible to being rained-on; you must make sure that the beer content is kept topped-up from time to time; and you must make sure that the trap doesn't fill up with slugs, but the technique certainly works.

A more controversial method is that of using Slug Pellets. Slug pellets are made of a tasty cereal which has a slug poison - usually metaldehyde or, less frequently, methiocarb - buried inside it. They are usually scattered, reasonably scarcely, around the plants. Slugs will be attracted to the cereal, eat the pellets, and die from poisoning. Simple, eh? Not so, say the environmentally-oriented, who claim that the cereal bait attracts and then harms other animals - dogs, cats, birds, bugs etc. Pellet manufacturers naturally claim that very little damage is done. Whichever is true, metaldehyde pellets are overwhelmingly preferable as they are less toxic without being less effective.

There are a couple of issues specific to guerrilla growing which might weigh-in against slug pellets, however. The first is that some claim that, over time, the pellets decompose, get washed into the soil and affect the plants in a negative manner, leading to less pleasant smoke. The second is that, in order to dissuade birds and other creatures from eating the pellets, they are usually dyed a strikingly unnatural colour, such as fluoroescent blue. One pellet falling in the wrong place may therefore have the slight potential to blow an entire grow, so be careful.

Lastly, in barrier terms, there are Nematodes. Nematodes are a type of tiny worm which live in the soil and prey on slugs. They are available from garden centres. You buy them as a powder which has to be made into a solution and then watered into the ground around the plants. Nematodes are supposedly harmless to the plants, humans and other animals. They do need refreshing every so often, and doubts have been expressed as to their suitability for cannabis protection.

A more thorough consideration of the issues surrounding slugs as horticultural pests and the various means of dealing with them can be found at Cardiff University's School of Bioscience's Slug Control Page.


Rabbits and herbivorous mammals

Rabbits are natural herbivores and can chew through a crop in a very short time. Furthermore, things like gravel, copper tape and beer traps don't even break their stride, let alone stop them.

Fortunately, there is an environmentally-friendly way of keeping their bucked-teeth away from your hard-grown weed. Garden centres and DIY stores sell rolls of Chicken Wire or Rabbit mesh. This is simply a type of mesh fencing designed to keep curious fauna away from growing crops.

Your plants will need to be surrounded by a tubular cage of fencing at least a foot (12" / 30cm) in diameter and one-and-a-half to two feet (18"-24" | 45cm-61cm) high. A good rough way to do this is to use lengths of fence approximately four to five feet in length, 20" in height, then loop them round and fasten them back on themselves using plastic zip ties (also available from DIY stores and garden centres). These tubes can then be folded up for transportation to the grow sites. More detail can be found in BushBandicoot's article in the September 2004 newsletter.

The mesh used should be sturdy enough to take a few rabbit entry attempts, but sparse enough to let light through and facilitate growth. The mesh is not there to protect against all possible assaults, but simply to protect the plant until it is old and large enough to take care of itself (big, thick, woody stems etc.). A good-sized mesh has holes between 3/4 of an inch and about an inch and a half across. Some meshes have hexagonal holes, some have square ones. Good examples of sturdy cages can be found in iamafunkimunki's 2007 grow diary.

Bare metal mesh fencing can be seen from a surprisingly large distance away if the sun is at the right angle (especially if the mesh is quite thick) and may well draw suspicion depending upon the grow location. Mesh is available in both brown and green plastic, and in a form where the bare metal wire is covered with a mid-to-dark-green plastic coating. These types of mesh aren't any more expensive than the bare metal kind, and blend into the background nicely, being invisible at even relatively close distances. Try and buy this kind of mesh if you can, although any mesh is better than none.

The cages must be anchored to the ground to prevent them being pushed or blown over. There are two usual methods for doing this: one is to use stakes (e.g. garden cane or sticks); the other method is to use tent pegs (use at least three per cage at equally spaced distances; so if you're using three, anchor at 12 o'clock, 4 o'clock and 8 o'clock).

It is important to remember that cages can help other animals as well as hinder rabbits. If you're using slug protection, you will probably need to protect the cage as well as the plant, as slugs are quite capable of climbing the cages and then getting on to the leaves, thus dodging any protection which might only be around the plant's stem.


Deer

Deer constitute a much greater hazard than might be thought; many crops have been lost to them, but there are a number of deterrents available to the guerrilla gardener.

Unlike domesticated or agricultural animals, deer (quite rightly) don't trust the presence of humans and attempt to keep as large a distance as possible between themselves and any possible contact. This can be used against them.

The scent of human urine is very off-putting to deer and they will try to avoid it as it is a sign of human presence. Before going to your grow site, drink larger-than-usual quantities of water and give the area a good sprinkling while you are there. Avoid urinating directly on the plants themselves. Some people fill up a two-litre bottle and take that with them. Urine scent will evaporate over time and can be washed away by rain so levels will have to be maintained periodically across a grow.

Extrapolating on the previous idea is the idea that deer will avoid other large predators as well as humans. Some zoos sell big cat excrement (that's crap, to you and me) as a fertilizer / natural manure. If you're lucky enough to live near a zoo, big cat crap is as good a deer deterrent as you could want, although, like urine, it might need topping-up every so often. There is also a cat deterrent on the market called "Silent Roar", which is a mixture of lion excrement and other chemicals; this is also apparently effective against deer, but also requires occasional topping-up.

Any unnatural or humanistic scent will make deer think twice. Some growers use soap to provide that scent. If using soap, you should be careful to keep it away from the plants themselves, as it could prove toxic if it soaks into the ground near the root system. Some growers hang soap from stakes or trees in the vicinity. If using soap, make sure it's as smelly as possible, but also try and pick as natural a colour as possible; flouroescent pink can be noticed from quite some distance away.

Some growers use fishing line strung from trees at chest height to deter deer. The idea is that the deer walk up against the line and register it as an unnatural pressure (the line being largely invisible) and thus decide to keep away. Fishing line can draw attention as well as deter deer, so use this method only when the circumstances call for it.


Sheep, Cows and Horses

Move the grow site. Seriously. There is no effective deterrent against farm animals except for avoidance. These animals do not fear humans, are herbivorous, are strong, are protected by property law (that's a shorthand for saying that it's illegal for you to kill them, aside from it being morally wrong anyway) and are voracious eaters. Move the grow or think again.


Insects

You're growing outdoors. You're not going to avoid insects. There are various methods for dealing with insect pests which are outlined in the Pest Control section of the Grow FAQ, but generally, unless it becomes a specific and persistent problem, it's better to accept them as a fact of life. Many of the repellents, such as those based on Neem oil, are impractical for the guerrilla gardener as they are based on the premise of "regular application", with "regular" meaning "weekly, or even more frequently", thus running counter to the stealth philosophy.

As a general bug repellent, Nitramkram offers this solution:

QUOTE(Nitramkram)
Three large cloves of crushed garlic
1 tablespoon of vegetable oil
One teaspoon of liquid soap
One litre of water

Combine the garlic and vegetable oil and leave to soak overnight. Strain and add to the litre of water along with the liquid soap. Spray regularly. Garlic is known for its antifungal and antibacterial properties, but it is its insect repellent qualities that most gardeners like.



Other Options

Aside from all the solutions above, which have intentionally been geared towards general-purpose usage (preferably without detrimentally affecting the grow spot), your local garden centre will doubtless have plenty of shiny products it will only be too keen to sell you. Some may be brilliant, some may not, but think carefully about using them before you do. Remember, we're in the stealth business. Anything which requires regular application requiring frequent grow visits, or is geared towards non-consumable foliage (e.g. roses) may not be the best stuff to be putting on your MJ.


Thanks to all the people who've discussed these issues at length in the forums over the years.
mr. clean
This started out as an email to a fellow guerrilla as to various protection strategies. It reached such a point that I realised that, with a few minor tweaks, it might help other people. There's nothing new or particularly special in here - natural selection dictates that what works is kept and what isn't passes from use - but we get a number of questions and this missive has many (but not necessarily all) of the issues in one place which would have been useful to any number of us when starting.

If anyone has any extra ideas, post below. The more the merrier.
Archangel
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Im gonna buy one of these next year and stick it at a safe guerilla site. Should take care of any problems apart from the eye in the sky.
Hughie Green
Another possible method for discouraging herbivores is to plant other vegetation around a grow site such as Bramble,Gorse or other thorny wild plants to provide a barrier that they(and humans) would think twice about crossing.
iamafunkimunki
i've noticed my power plant is getting munched by rabbits i think or some other vermin. so i've made it like a porcupine using sharp 18 inch sticks inserted at 45 degrees into the soil all the way round sloping upwards and away from the plant creating a 6 inch wide band of pungee spikes and some 4 inch vertical ones around the base of the plant to stop them leaping my make shift fence. seems to work quite well. i'll post a picture when i visit again
mr. clean
QUOTE(Archangel @ May 1 2007, 07:04 PM) [snapback]938123[/snapback]
Im gonna buy one of these next year and stick it at a safe guerilla site. Should take care of any problems apart from the eye in the sky.


How much are they typically, Archangel? You'd probably only have room for one or two plants at most, and you'd have to top them, I reckon. You'd also have to be concerned about humidity and maybe even mould. It could be made to work, though.

Great ideas, Hughie Green and iamafunkimunki. Pungee sticks are an intuitive solution. I guess if you had the time to prepare, and it was the right sort of ground, you could build solid medium-to-low fences and plant various forms of foliage to hide them, too.
smeagol
Hi Mr C...as you mentioned my suggestion on here and i just happen to have finished me practise attempt in me flat i thought i would post some pics .. 1st is the 6in waste pipe that i have nipped all around one circumfrence with a pair of steel fixers nips..2nd is pipe with an inverted strip of masking(slugs'n'snails hate that sticky stuff)...and 3rd is with the mesh around...its 15mm mesh so that will take snails outta the equation...i know there are no deer so thats one ting i don't have to worry bout

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do you peeps tink i've got the circumfrence to large?
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hope this is of assistance... yinyang.gif
iamafunkimunki
no mate. thats quality thumbsup.gif
Archangel
That is cool what bout shnails though?
smeagol
QUOTE(Archangel @ May 2 2007, 10:22 PM) [snapback]939702[/snapback]
That is cool what bout shnails though?


hiya arch....you did,nt read my whole post did ya?.... wink.gif
mr. clean
Awesome stuff, smeagol, sir.

I might change my protection now. The pipe idea is excellent as it gives you a nice surface on which to put copper and adhesive tape inside the mesh. It's a veritable Fort Knox of an option. specool.gif
barefoot master
QUOTE(mr. clean @ May 3 2007, 12:09 PM) [snapback]940056[/snapback]
Awesome stuff, smeagol, sir.

I might change my protection now. The pipe idea is excellent as it gives you a nice surface on which to put copper and adhesive tape inside the mesh. It's a veritable Fort Knox of an option. specool.gif

I think Smeagol should patent this idea as i can see it taking off amongst the guerrilla community. Nice one Smeag, and thanks to Mr Clean for putting the thread up in the first place and getting ppl thinking. Nice one mate
Warlock
awesome thread, I have taken notes and will use them. thank you

* I think this should be pinned too
smeagol
QUOTE(barefoot master @ May 3 2007, 01:19 PM) [snapback]940134[/snapback]
I think Smeagol should patent this idea as i can see it taking off amongst the guerrilla community. Nice one Smeag, and thanks to Mr Clean for putting the thread up in the first place and getting ppl thinking. Nice one mate

Damn ... patent ... never thought boput that .. rolleyes.gif ... glad you like it and tanx for the replies .. agree that this should be pinned .. i've already used it ( as a source for info) to find the garlic spray recipe (girlfriends got aphids on her ferns !!) ...

So yea great call Mr C ...

yinyang.gif
utokia
QUOTE(smeagol @ May 3 2007, 04:36 PM) [snapback]940330[/snapback]
Damn ... patent ... never thought boput that .. rolleyes.gif ... glad you like it and tanx for the replies .. agree that this should be pinned .. i've already used it ( as a source for info) to find the garlic spray recipe (girlfriends got aphids on her ferns !!) ...

So yea great call Mr C ...

yinyang.gif


Just to let y'all know that LIDL have copper slug tape 18m for £7.99 - and also - I love the pipe idea - I had a vision of sticking drawing pins or even better - copper tacks - in a defensive spiky ring around the top of the pipe..smile.gif
Mr. Jolly
Great thread mr. clean although I don't do guerilla what doubts do you have about the nematodes, is it just the refreshing the amount of nematodes or is there something else.
mr. clean
QUOTE(utokia @ May 5 2007, 06:50 PM) [snapback]942508[/snapback]
Just to let y'all know that LIDL have copper slug tape 18m for £7.99 - and also - I love the pipe idea - I had a vision of sticking drawing pins or even better - copper tacks - in a defensive spiky ring around the top of the pipe..smile.gif


Good call, utokia. That's pretty cheap.

QUOTE(Mr. Jolly @ May 5 2007, 07:23 PM) [snapback]942550[/snapback]
Great thread mr. clean although I don't do guerilla what doubts do you have about the nematodes, is it just the refreshing the amount of nematodes or is there something else.


IIRC the refreshing of nematodes has to take place fairly infrequently (6 weeks?), so that isn't such a major issue. The main objections I'd heard with regard to nematodes was that they are most effective in a way which doesn't initially help MJ growers. The nematodes enter the slug's body and take up to three or four days to kill it. This might be a good strategy for protecting an entire bed of plants and clearing it out in the medium-to-long term, but if you've got nematode-impregnated ground surrounding a precious seedling, the nematodes won't actually save the seedling in the short term. They'll infect the slug, but won't have enough of an impact to stop the seedling getting chomped first. It might be a good strategy if combined with other methods, or might be better used with larger plants.

I should stress that I've never used them, so this is all hearsay.
Midnite Rambler
One strategy not yet mentioned for protection against deer is to locate close to motorway intersections, or at least a busy trunk road. Seems that around 10,000 a year die on Britains roads, if they are on their way to munch on my budding beauties well they deserve all they get. Increased CO2 levels too.
utokia
QUOTE(Midnite Rambler @ May 7 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]944104[/snapback]
One strategy not yet mentioned for protection against deer is to locate close to motorway intersections, or at least a busy trunk road. Seems that around 10,000 a year die on Britains roads, if they are on their way to munch on my budding beauties well they deserve all they get. Increased CO2 levels too.


God yeah - like spotting mushrooms (you can't find any - then you spot one and go into shroom zone), I have been noticing there are huge expanses of unused land with plenty of cover running next to motorways/a-roads etc.. perfect for stealth grows (no pedestrians!) - i didn't think about the deer thing tho..
utokia
QUOTE(mr. clean @ May 7 2007, 12:31 PM) [snapback]943856[/snapback]
Good call, utokia. That's pretty cheap.


I don't know how it compares to other products (it is the mesh type)... but 18m seems like a lot for the money. It seems you usually get 4m for £10 elsewhere, but for 'solid' copper. Check on the lidl website which of your local stores have the gardening stuff in stock at the mo - as they do rotate promotions (altho they also sometimes keep some specials lingering in some stores)...

edit: pics of my purchases here: http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=90536
smeagol
Yo..Leroy...this is the thread to post your ideas on protection ... wink.gif
barefoot master
QUOTE(smeagol @ May 15 2007, 04:10 PM) [snapback]954499[/snapback]
Yo..Leroy...this is the thread to post your ideas on protection ... wink.gif

rofl.gif Sorry.
smeagol
bumping this up cos quite a few people asking bout protection and its all in here ... have a read people ... spliff.gif ph34r.gif
leroy
QUOTE(smeagol @ May 15 2007, 04:10 PM) [snapback]954499[/snapback]
Yo..Leroy...this is the thread to post your ideas on protection ... wink.gif

I have nothing to say...rofl.gif
m778
This is a good online guide for protection against browsers:

hxxp://handbooks.btcv.org.uk/handbooks/content/section/3580

Voles are a particular pest and very common in areas of long grass. I suspect much damage attributed to rabbits may come from these little bundles of fun. Make sure the holes in any netting or mesh are small enough to keep them at bay....

Snake
I just got a book today called "50 ways to protect against slugs" its a very good read i think and contains some good ways to repel the slugs, a trap which involves a grapefruit is brilliant i think!
a_lover_not_a_grower
i found that that on chicken wire or rabbit wirenot quite sure, that large snails could not get through the small holes/climb up the thing wire, dont think it stopped small/baby snails though, at least its damage limitation smile.gif
smeagol
bish ... owderb .. can we get this thread pinned as protection is a recurring question on this forum .. whatcha reckon ?
Deathrow558
Is Enamelled Copper Wire still ok for stopping slugs or does the enamell stop it from working?

Cheers guys.
aventinusdampf
QUOTE(Deathrow558 @ Jun 27 2007, 10:43 PM) [snapback]1001945[/snapback]
Is Enamelled Copper Wire still ok for stopping slugs or does the enamell stop it from working?

Cheers guys.

It doesn't work with isolated wire, it has to be blank. There is a copper spray available tho, I've been told. I use my luck with crushed neem seed. It hardens the plants off and makes them less attractive for slugs and insects. It's a safe, natural product.

more on neem here: http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...=0#entry1001955
Mr white

I say this all the time but pellets kick the shit outta slugs. You can get organic ones too. You may have to keep applying them though say every few weeks if it rains a lot.
GreenSkunk
yeah the pellets work wonders for me too, they sorta fizz the slugs away, with snails you just find empty shells in the morning, with little bubbly crap inside, but i am thinking of investing in some coper tape, as its one less thing to worry bout, instead of dragging yourself to the site every time it rains (which has been way too oftewn lateley) anwyay i am only getting the tape once i got em in their final pots.

until then i rely on pellets biggrin.gif
serious_fky
Will slug pellets keep slugs away from my plant?
Just a quick question and hope if someone can answer that for me, thanks
GreenSkunk
HAHAHA lol.gif
that is their main purpose tongue.gif

Nah seriously, use a heavy amount of them if you dont trust em but they most likeely will do the job, chances are it wasnt noir realey slugs that destroyed your last plants, other creepy crawlies and rabbits could be the main problem, also if your really really worried about slugs then get some copper tape as well as pellets, then if your plant gets attacked you can be sue it isnt by slugs wink1.gif

Blabblabberbab
Save the planet man! slug pellets are really nasty pinch.gif

If you're into more organic ways of growing, try beer traps and similar - at least give them a good time as you kill them wink1.gif whistling.gif

B ph34r.gif
compostverte

I wonder if chub would take slugs freshly drowned in beer ?
tange
with the beer u mention sure is a waste of beer for those little horrible slugs i have to go out at night at the mo to check on mine as had a couple of leaves eaton by slugs but they go on a flying trip with me over the street they fly from my shit scooper i know this is bad but man u should see them go and it gives me pleasure seeing them go !!!
serious_fky
Thanks guys,
I wasnt sure if they killed them straight away or it was a long term thing lol.gif
But anyways im gonna put some down and put dow some copper tape too.
l0l Skunk slugs defo killed my last plants as i saw them all over my plants high as a mofucka!
anyways im off sweet guys
barefoot master
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anyone got any idea whats causing this. Thanks in advance
BFM out
GreenSkunk
yeah i got something simmilar, outdoors in betwean load of nettles :S

thanks for any advice
pete3867
neem oil and copper strips
serious_fky
Thanks for this bob. This will hopfly help alot of people.
GreenSkunk
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just be glad you haven't got Vermin/Rats


may sound ignorant but what do rats do to the plants??
serious_fky
QUOTE(Fatmanbob @ Jul 30 2007, 06:52 PM) *
They Chef on the stem and branches, It help keep their teeth growing to long. All rodents gnaw on stuff for the some reason.

Somebody on here told me last year that Rats like to use the plant fibres in there nests too.


Well you learn sumthin new everyday smile.gif
puff-puff-pass
hello all, just thought i let you know that i think soap next to your outdoorplants is the best way for keep away dear.
i had two plants in a spot which one got toatly eaten and the other was half eaten. well since the second one was half eaten i left a bit of soap on the end of a stick and put the stck into the ground next to my plant. i also had to do this to a diferent spot that another plant had been eaten halfway by a dear. well anyway nuthing has touched them since the soap has been there. and today i visited my plants in the first spot and there were tree dear grazing witthin ten meters of my plant but still going no were near it. i think this prooves that the are defenetly put of by soap!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
hope this is of some help to someboddy.
The_Preacher
thanks puff pass, that was suggested in the origional post. it really is worth reading (or at least skimming) b4 u post a reply.

All i would add is that deer tend to be clever, and so tey will become desensitised eventually to jsut about anything which u use all the time, so better to mix up your methods as u use them imo.

Also i would assume that certain deer in certain dodgy modos wouldn't give a dam aout the smell.

Similarily, some slugs just don't care about copper tape imo., and the best defense i found for slugs and insecets was a huge early planted crop big enough to take the damage.
tange
hi all just a quick one i find now about 4 catapillers on me leaves outside when checking them just noticed a leave all curled up when i removed it i tryed opening it and out popped a catapiller will these bugs eat me plants or will they be ok'ish or do i get me bug killer on to me plants ? anyone else found this when doing outside
puff-puff-pass
fair enough D V D, was just trying to help others out huh.gif
friendly electrician
copper grease may be of use against slugs.

dog repellars can be heard by rabbits. many are battery opperated and incorporate a proximetry sensor to save batterys. possibly harder to spot than a load of mesh. needs to repell dogs though, not rodents or bugs.

just need a mechanic to try the grease, and someone with a dog whistle to test the rabbits.
ChaosCatalunya
QUOTE(Fatmanbob @ Jul 19 2007, 12:18 AM) *
your always gonna get little insect problems outdoors lads, But outdoors things like that dont usually get out of hand becuase of all the predatory insects

around such as Ladybirds etc..

It's not like there in a controlled envrioment is it, just be glad you haven't got Vermin/Rats and Deer to contend with,as they are mofo's to stop. ph34r.gif


What he said ^ ^ ^ ..... and Ants, wind, cold and rain all wipe out the majority of insect plagues , so you do not usually get anything like the same levels of infestation you see indoors sometimes.


QUOTE(pete3867 @ Jul 18 2007, 11:54 PM) *
neem oil and copper strips


Neem oil users seem convinced it puts off caterpillars, the main insect enemy here.

Companion planting with Garlic also seems to be a good move for no great hassle
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