has anyone tried this amino based stimulant its supposed to speed growth by 2 weeks

link to very cool web site: [Not now]

I have been given a free sample today - just wondered if its hype or wether it helps?

Personally i think it helps alot in veg and in flower plants look alot more healthy , and i have to say the buds were alot firmer this time than when i did not use it.

My personall thought is its good but then i would like to see someone do a side by side test to see if there is any major difference.

I used Heaven in Veg and early flowering... Plants look very healthy and growth rate has been fast since clock turned back...

Also this is in non-organic it needs to be in organic as its an organic "booster"

And it goes against everything about organics

Forcing plants to feed aint organic

Like some respected organic folk on here say "its no better than a chem booster"

Owd

who cares? its organic and its very effective.

I moved it here. As Owd said...

Never tried it myself, I'm happy enough with grow/fish/bloom for now.

All ya need innit?

I second that im using this with guanokalong allmix and have to say so far the results from this other allmix and all the biobizz range.

Also i have had 0 defficiancy using bioheaven plants seem to take there food better less burn if you overdoit and such lush green growth is very nice , also i have not needed to feed any epsom salts at with ot1's feeding guide as the bioheaven has enough in there to stop any probs i have had before.

Each to there own i know its not right for some people but then if you dont tryit surely you can't slag it


Anyway best of luck those that use it im sure you will be fairly happy

And where did anyone slag it

I was pointing out the ethics not its performance

Owd

Wrong wording im sorry slaggin was a little harsh , can sorta undestand what you mean so all is well.



Djay.

meant to leave a big thanks on here ages ago sorry but easter hols were a welcome distraction - anyway thanks for the info and as it was a freebie I used it anyway it went in with the second mix of nutes and I was glad to see it got a positive report overall - i'll have to wait and see how it works in the coco cause it sounded like most of you were using it allmix - i'll report back accordingly

I find it o.k for seedlings and vegative stage so far smelly stuff though.Look forwarrd to seeing it in action for flowering stage

Hello

I'm hoping this thread will come back alive as I'd like to know if anyone else has some good results with bio-heaven.

I've got a single plant, compost, semi-scrog, 20 days into flower and I've got some bioheaven which I've used very sparingly. I'm a novice so I don't know what to expect and would love to think the £15 on bioheaven was a good investment or, do you think, it has been made to grow the profits of the manufacturers instead of our beloveds.

I`d say its allright,but i`ve been using it in bio bizz all mix on my cinnamons and they look ill(veg stage).will be replacing it with fish mix.

Grapefruit x Maroc and 2x Grapefruit x Northern lights day 60 flower , me i think its awesome

Here is one of the gf x nl day 63 night shot leaves still look lush and green slight burn my fault to much bloom :O

Seems to add weight and keep the plants looking much healthy late into flower.

Hi Djay,

but how do you think they would of performed without the Bio Heaven? I presume you've grown the same strains in the same conditions before?

I'm using it and my plants look great, just not too sure how much of a part the Bio Heaven has played in that thing is now my plants look so good i just wont want to stop using it

I have grown these withought before as i only got my trial version of bioheaven around week 3 of flower last time , this one same plants used bioheaven from week 2 of veg and these were grown in Guanokalong allmix.

I use around 2.5-3 mill per litre of water once there in flower , the taste is very sweet but i dunno if thats the guano in the allmix buds are very resin layden again but then that maybe just the genetics , all i can say ive used this 2 times now and my yields are so much up from my ones withought it.

Would be nice to see somone use some clones and do a trial with and withought bioheaven as its bloody expensive and although im sure it works being in black and white allways helps.

i really rate it

Looking at Djays bud I can see why you rate it FD..

got a free sample at expo will b using it next grow

You've made my mind up Owd. I got a sample from the expo and was thinking of using it on my guerrilla grow but i wanted my grow to be as organic as it could be. I've got two Mandala#1s in 2 different places, both doing very well without feed. Maybe i should feed one with the bioheaven and leave one to nature, see how it pans out.

hey owd:

"And it goes against everything about organics

Forcing plants to feed aint organic"

But dont plants use aminoacids in nature ? I am pretty sure nature is "forcing" the same way as bioheaven , using aminoacids , to feed them , to increase nutritient uptake . But in nature there is always a balance , so it may seem as not forcing , as I said because of the overall balance .

If it happens in nature , why is it against organics ?

have fun friend !

If it uses what is known as "cation Exchange" then that really isn't organic

The claims of...........



Very much makes it sound like it doesn't it

Either way, the in's and out's are waaaay over my head, not hard really

Has anyone done side by side comparissons yet?

Not as far as i'm aware peeps are bigin' it up but no evidence.

I've used it, it makes a pronounced and fast difference

would like to see a proper side by side like webby's soil secrets one tho

hey webby

cation exchange capacity , is a variable which expresses/measures how much nutritients can a soil hold.
Cations are ions ,atoms, that carry a positive charge. So they are the opposite of anions which carry a negative charge. Now,some of the major cations are :

* Potassium (K)
* Calcium (Ca)
* Magnesium (Mg)

So I dont understand what do you mean by "If it uses what is known as "cation Exchange" then that really isn't organic"

Sandy soils with very little organic matter (OM) have a low CEC, but heavy clay soils with high levels of OM would have a much greater capacity to hold cations.

So with biobizz bio heaven , we can make soil to have a greater capacity to hold cations.

Sorry if I dont understand what you are trying to say,

More about cec : http://www.microsoil.com/CEC.htm

Thats some good info there haze....thx for the link

I think what I was trying to get at, was if you're fooling the plant to uptake more micro nutes then is that really organic But I s'pose you could also say that the light we use isn't the sun, so therefore thats not organic either

not tried or interested in trying bio heaven, just wanted to say that I had problems with allmix the last couple of grows it may well be that which is causing the plants to look unhappy. I changed my compost and now suffer none of the same problems.

EO.

... or if you want to take it to the extreme, the plastic bottle is non organic and by buying the product you are in fact killing the planet \

But seriously, is there an actual definition of "organic" when it comes to growing plants? Personally, if it comes down to classifying products as organic or not, then I would say if the ingredients of the product are all organic, then the product itself is organic. As to whether each individual grow can be classed as organic, then I think you're getting into the whole lights/ normal plant function thing and it all gets way too complicated for me!

*edited: bekuzz I carnt spel proplee

just to report back for anyone interested its hard to tell wether the improvement in my crop this time is down to better air conditioning (one of my major improvements) or wether the bio heaven has helped but the one thing that is clear is that there is definately a big improvement - the plants are in tip top health with no signs of nute burn, nute def or any other problems and all this on a slightly reduced feed regime - have reduced amount of feed to each plant - only slightly but just in an effort to make them work a bit harder I have reduced the daily feed amount - so hard to say cause I didn't trial any without bio heaven but I will definately be using it again as there is something working well so why change it - would reccomend it and will spend some time on next grow to assess its effects, the plants are freezeland and no name in coco and doing very well

3 1/2 weeks flower

heres my 2p,s worth for wat its worth . you lot been growing without it for yrs , growing it well too from wat ive read . my philosophy is if it aint broke , dont fix it. Surely by now with all the genetics and methods of growing and nutrients that are on the market , weve pushed this plant to its limits in terms of performance and growth n yeild. Most things in nature grow a certain size and thats it. you can only push a plant so far . respek

thats what the luddites said when we had an industrial revolution!!

Lolandy i didnt think you were growing organically cos it says hydro in your profile so i cant see how bio heaven could work in an inert medium

I may be wrong but i thought it was for compost grows

Owd

i think i see your point , but the luddites werent utilising there rescources to the full potential obviously . after 100 s of years of ppl studying the plant sooner or later its maxium potential will be realised , if it hasnt already . i cant see sum new magical method or scientific discovery happening regarding the growth of the plant now , imo you can improve nature so far but it has to have a cut off point when full potential (genetically and enviromentaly) has been maxed out .

yeah owd think it is most effective when used as part of a complete organic range and the range looks quite good but yeah these are all in coco and I asked the same in the shop - answer was if its in the tank they'll get the benefit - is this incorrect? more and more I'm tempted by soil so maybe next one will be full organic all the way - do know a couple of people having incredible results in soil - but i'm still a newb so was happy just as I am!?

and yeah I agree with u elston but I think as growers we tend to be to restrictive I understand why it happens cause our crops are so valuable but gardening in general is all about trialing and its an area we can improve - tbh though I'm like u quite cautious peace Lolandy

Sounds like a sales pitch to me and youve been had as it aint made for tanks or reservoirs

Just for compost or soil by the looks of the read ups

Owd

well it was free so just a mistake on there part - but once again my ignorance betrays my ability oh well it certainly didn't do any harm anyway - but I'm sure there were instructions for mixing with feed? but like I said a freebie so no loss there - thanks owd

Says on the promo leaflet I have "For every system Soil, Hydro and Aeroponics".

It lists 9 benefits and only one to do with soil: "Provides a valuable source of carbon for soil micro-organisms".

I guess its formulated for use in all systems then.

BIOBIZZ World Wide Organics presents:
BIOHEAVEN PLANT ENERGY BOOSTER

BioHeaven is a specially formulated Plant Energy booster which contains carefully selected biological stimulants, such as amino-acids. Amino-acids are the basic building blocks for the proteins and enzymes, which are essential to the structure and the metabolism of plants.

As a result, BioHeaven enhances utilization and translocation of nutrients in fertilizer blends & foliars and boosts up the anti-oxidant system of the plant, rids the plant of toxins built up during periods of stress, repairs chlorophyll and restimulates the plant.

The L-amino acids used by BioBizz for BioHeaven are extracted from soybean cake and other organic protein sources via enzymatic hydrolysis and fermentation. This process ensures the amino acids to be extracted in L-form, the only absorbed and used by plants. Besides the L-amino acids, BioHeaven contains natural aged humus, one of the most versatile components in soil environments. This component, in combination with other operative substances in BioHeaven, increases extremely the quantity of minerals in the soil. Normally, the percentage of minerals uptake lies around the 5-10%, the substances within BioHeaven can raise it up to 95%.

These processes stimulated by BioHeaven enhance the availability of nutritionally important trace elements, which are capable of entering plant cells.

I just read this on biobizz's website and you might be right but i cant find owt on using it in hydro

If you have found summat please post it up

Owd

Hey Owd

I just read this from Biobizz, it's on this site somewhere but I can't find it at the moment -

BIOBIZZ Newsletter, 09 2006

Hey there!,

Not everybody knows, but it is possible to use Biobizz products on Hydro systems, and it is being done already. Especially here in Holland (on rockwool), in France (NFT and Coco) and Spain (Aeroponics).

Biobizz products were originally designed for growing on soil, but since we have OMRI and SKAL/EKO certifications (to prove and ensure it is 100% biological) we filter and process some of our components in such a manner, that they can work in universal way, regardless if you are growing on rockwool, NFT or with an automated Cocosystem

/Big snip/ The only product they don't advise be used in hydro is Grow due to it's viscosity.

So what about Bioheaven?

Now, this product was designed for ALL systems, Hydro, Coco, Aero, Soil etc. It is an individual product, not a bloomstimulator or rootstimulator! It can be used with ALL nutrient programs and products, and is designed to boost the application of the nutrient you are using. The L-Amino-acids are doing two important things for the plants: They transform macro-elements in natural enzyms and proteins, and they increase the mineral uptake from 15-20% to 80-90%. This means you use every drop out of every mililiter of nutrient you are using! Because of the increased efficiency of the plants regulation system it works as a powerfull energy booster. For Bioheaven we have only one application: Use it !

Why do you grow organically?

Yield? flavour? impact on the environment? impact on our health?

Personally, for me, its all about flavor!

A compost grown plant will only ever take what it needs to flourish, we feed the compost (micro herd) which in turn feeds the plant. In hydroponics you are growing in water, so no micro herd to feed.. you actually feed the plant! This gives us full control over what the plant gets and when it gets it, by exposing said plant to higher levels of P and K for instance we can significantly increase our yields. In compost, this does not work! The plant will only ever take what it thinks it needs, anything else will be left in the compost. I dont think I need to explain why that is a bad thing?



Maybe bioheaven makes it possible to force feed more nutrients. If im reading this thread right, thats what it will do.. If this is the case, feeding more P & K (for example) would give you a greater yield, as the bioheaven will facilitate a greater uptake, rather than cause a lock out? Allowing you to pump more nutrients into your plants? More than they would 'naturally' uptake?

The principle alone doesnt sound very organic to me?

Anyway....
Why would you want to do that?

If yield is your goal, grow hydro.. or if your dead set on compost grow biologically, with chemical feed!

If quality and flavor are your goals, grow organically!

Force fed organic buds will taste just as harsh as badly grown hydroponic buds!
Ive said this before, but I will say it again!
Anyone can grow organically, but not anyone can produce clean burning organic buds!
Anyone can grow hydro, get a massive yield and a great sack of buds that burn like bag of black powder...! but with a little know how one can easily turn out a produce on par, if not better than most organically grown bud!!!

So to anyone considering using this product, please ask yourself one question... "Why do I grow organically?"

I personally see no place for bioheaven in my organic garden.

VRG

on my bottle of heaven it says,

'for indoor and outdoor potted plants,
all kinds of flowers, vegetables, herbs, trees, lawns, berries, shrubs,
annuals and perennials'

and i cant find anything on the bottle that says can be used in all mediums, but thats not to say there is nowhere else saying that.

Personaly i recon its not that great and its all down to atmospheric conditions.

If the plant only takes what it needs and leaves the rest why is it so easy to burn plants by over-feeding them in soil? Surely the plant intakes as much nutrient as becomes available to it?

Your view (in terms of growing organically) would be perfectly true if your assumption is correct about what Bioheaven actually does, but how sure are you that your assumption is correct?

As far as my understanding of Bioheaven is concerned (I don't use it by the way) it works in multiple ways only one of which is to feed the 'micro-herd' and increase this population to the point that they break down more organic nutrients into chelated forms available for plant uptake. As it says on the promo leaflet I have -

• Accelerated chelation of essential macro and micro nutrients improving overall nutrient uptake and reduce their immobilisation in the soil
• Provide a valuable source of carbon for the soil micro-organisms

Surely then, Bioheaven operates to make more organic nutrients available to the plant via chelation, meaning you can use a lower nutrient EC value of feed due to the increased ability of the micro-herd to transform organic nutrients into plant available nutrients.

If by using Bioheaven it makes using Grow and Bloom more effective and efficient at lower EC levels, surely thats better for your wallet and ultimately better and more effective for the plant?

Surely it would only be 'force-feeding' the plant (not something I agree with) if it was used in that way - ie taking advantage of the fact that Bioheaven makes more nutrients available for plant uptake and deliberately feeding higher EC values than you would if you wern't using Bioheaven?

I really do think that Bioheaven is one of those products that if used intelligently can help people get more from their plants and nutrients - I think it's a little unfair to criticise a product just because it allows people to abuse what it does. No one says you have to use Bioheaven to 'force feed' your plants, you can just as easily use it in small quantities to get the most out of the nutrients you are using at lower doseages than if you wern't using Bioheaven.

Like all things to do with growing, peoples interpretations, morality and ways of doing things are going to vary wildly. If you have a 'organic growing' philosophy hopefully you'll use Bioheaven as part of that 'growing philosophy' rather than trying to turn an organic/soil grow into an extension of a hydro grow.

Just my two cents on this interesting subject.

There is very little difference between the N:P:K:Mg derived from organic matter and very pure chemical salts. The main thing about organically derived chemicals is they have been selected and used by plants down through the living chain ie invertebrates mammals etc, probably reused millions of times over the eons.

What does growing organically mean as versed to using organic products to grow mean.

Plants on land started evolving 2.5 billion years ago as he soil they grew in was first formed. In all that time there has been a natural conservation and recycling of nutrients. In the last few thousand years mankind farming made little difference, in the last hundred and fifty years or so thats not been the case, in the last 60 years farming practises have been destroying the earths soil, waterways and air with chemicals at an ever increasing rate, this is also one of the biggest contributors to Co2 emissions.

Organic growing and the organic movement is about caring for and conserving the land, working with nature, recycling growing plants and animals naturally at natures rate and pace. At the end of every generation the land should be improved and more fertile for the next generation to do the same thing. This is diametrically opposed to what chemical farming has done and is still doing. Where the fertilisers are water soluble chemical salts often quite crude, that have reduced the soil bio life to near zero and worse reduced the the carbon store to very low levels. What we have left is a nearly inert, a dead medium, relying on rain to dissolve the chems, in other words the chemically farmed soil has become a crude form of hydroponics medium.

Now our little hobby, people say buds grown in compost using organic fertilisers taste better than chemically grown buds. In my opinion this is true, only in the case were raw organic fertilisers such as biosevia, bb grow, bloom, fish and bac grow and bloom are used.

But this is not the case where the plant chemicals have been extracted in a very pure refined form such as Canna bio, to be quite honest in real terms you could not distinguish between buds grown in compost using Canna bio and Canna terra, both are in a form where all can be used by plants immediately, neither do a thing to support soil bio life, its a bit like the chemical farming but the chemicals are purer. Every dose is like us eating sugar.

The raw trad organic fertilisers are partly digested plant/animal/marine life only a portion of nutrients are in a ready to use form. Providing the compost or soil has a good micro fauna, it feeds them, in turn, they release the nutrients in the feed as they break it down, this has been natures way for millions of years. You get a steady stream of nutrient available over a long period. Like us eating pasta.

In nature very fertile sol indeed has a high CEC the clay and humus combined work like a sponge holding water and oxygen greatly supporting micro life, its all part of a liveing system, it also grab onto nutrients, it is the reason there is very little leaching when there is heavy rain, whereas nearly all the chemical fertilisers get washed into the water courses with chemically farmed land.

Products that have extracted humic and fulvic acids can indeed mimic what humus does in soil, but is that good, humus is part of a naturally developing living complex, the extracted chemicals used as advised have an effect tens of the times effect of the very best soil in nature has. It does have a little effect with raw organic fertilisers, as it stimulates some of the micro heard. Where it really comes into its own is used with chemical salts and in hydro, though its very easy to over do it with hydro, it can really push growth levels and create better yields especially when used during the first few weeks in flowering. BioHeaven, Bio Canna Boost and Canna Boost are pretty much generic products.

If you think it makes a good product fine, we scuffed nearly 2 pounds of bud because it degraded the end product so badly that in our opinion it was unsmokable, it made me cough my heart up. When compared to the same clone line grown with just grow and bloom, the yield difference was less than 2% in favour of BH, in smoke tests asking ten people who smoke neat bud, all picked the organic bud as being far superior, some could not believe the two samples were the same variety.

No uk certification body would dream of giving these products organic certification even with derogation. White sugar is an organic chemical, its not an organic product. Skal was made and funded by the Dutch fertiliser cartel, because no reputable eu organic certification body would certify their products, they own it.

If you think it makes a good product fine, we scuffed nearly 2 pounds of bud because it degraded the end product so badly that in our opinion it was unsmokable, it made me cough my heart up. When compared to the same clone line grown with just grow and bloom, the yield difference was less than 2% in favour of BH, in smoke tests asking ten people who smoke neat bud, all picked the organic bud as being far superior, some could not believe the two samples were the same variety.

. Skal was made and funded by the Dutch fertiliser cartel, because no reputable eu organic certification body would certify their products, they own it.
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well interesting

I ony got to use it during veg and I thought it made the plants grow well and healthy, but never got to taste the buds as the grow had to end.

But I wont use it again to find out if it ruins the end product if thats what you say OT

Good post Ot1.



Read the post above by Ot1.



Why on earth would you want to add an extra (more expensive) product, to slightly cut the usage of two other products? Isnt that what you might call over complicating things?

I really dont know what your getting at here babygro, you say you dont use this product yet you feel the need to defend it? do you just come on here looking to be controversial?



I would just like to point out that no where in my post did I criticise bioheaven. Ive just posted my thoughts on the concept for people to make their own minds up. At the same time I think it is totally unfair to come on here and sing the praises of a product that you have little knowledge, and zero experience of!



I dont think it has a place in any organic growing philosophy babygro, well certainly not mine.

Why do you grow organically?



For me, this ^ says it all!


VRG