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Owderb
At the 2005 hemp fair a close friend of mine was given some seeds to try by Dubi...Thanks Dubi... wink1.gif

They were part of a breeding project in 2000 so the seeds were a bit old but at last I got the chance to crack em and heres one of the girls wink1.gif

Seeing as its something new I will do a bit of a diary just on this one plant wink1.gif

Also Dubi asked to keep him informed so here goes wink1.gif

This is her 1 week in veg smoke.gif

Owderb
Definately not took the sativa side in structure and with another plant being flowered elsewhere i can say it hasnt got the sativa stretch either wink1.gif

One from the top.......A really bushy girl she is wink1.gif
Owderb
She's been on flower a week now and stands around 2ft tall at the mo wink1.gif

Very dense as you can see but i will trim all the lower chaff off in about a weeks time wink1.gif
Owderb
And this is how she sits in the growroom....She is the one at the front in the middle wink1.gif

According to who is growing the first cut off the mother the plant isnt a mega stretcher and looks at the mo being finished in no more than 10 weeks possibly even 9 wink1.gif he also says that the buds look very different to the usual buds you see but I havent seen it myself so cant comment unsure.gif

So who knows....A short plant done in 9 weeks but with the sativa high....Be nice wouldnt it smoke.gif

Owd
snadge


preddy, very nice Owderb.

keep us posted
FD
QUOTE(Owderb @ Dec 13 2006, 09:04 AM) [snapback]792088[/snapback]



So who knows....A short plant done in 9 weeks but with the sativa high....Be nice wouldnt it smoke.gif

Owd



looking good owd, mango haze x congo does all of the above
Arnold Layne
<Pulls up chair and settles in for another riveting Diary>
Looking good Owd M8, looking good wink1.gif
steevo
Very nice! thumbsup.gif she's in good hands guitar.gif
Owderb
Thanks everyone smoke.gif

I managed to get a pic from greenman and this is her at 7 weeks gone wink1.gif
fummo
That looks bloody nice, lovely colour. Hope she will smoke as good as she looks smoke.gif
VRG
Looking good mate. cool.gif
Lazlo Woodbine
Astonishing looking bud for 7 weeks Owd .... smoke.gif

..... (slides into Plush red velvet Parker-knoll recliner in the corner..... stoned.gif )


Laz
d|t
very nice owd spliff.gif
keep an eye on this thumbsup.gif
scarfaceshady
cant wait to see this at the end its gonna be a corker i bet

all the best

scarface
Owderb
QUOTE
Astonishing looking bud for 7 weeks Owd


It is mate,I just hope mine come out the same...but should do seeing that it came off the same mum wink.gif

DUBI.......If you read this does the bud in any way resemble the senegalise unsure.gif

I'll update again in a week smoke.gif

And thanks to all for the kind words guitar.gif

Owd

widgedygrub
very interesting bud structure it looks like a vine ,thanks for sharing very interesting genetics too,cheers owd
ACE seeds
Hello!

Owderb, im glad the seeds have produced positive results! guitar.gif
How many seeds did he germinate? Is she the only female ?

The 7wk flowering pic is impressive! Honestly, i can't comment too much about this hybrid. It came from a past member of the collective. Cola formation is on the sativa side for sure. Pure senegalese grows compact and flowers fast but hasnt got this flower density and huge ovaries. Looks like an explosive ind/sat hybrid vigour! I hope you enjoy her! They were the unique seeds i had from the cross and i gave him with all my love.

Please, save a cut for us! wink1.gif Have fun! dubi
Owderb
Hello mate wink1.gif

I put 5 seeds..One didnt germ and we ended up with 2 females but the second one took alot longer to show sex so that one hasnt been flowered yet but i'll let you know when it has wink1.gif

Greenman also says it smells like fresh soil...He says when you pick some soil up and smell it..it smells just like that...very earthy wink1.gif

Owd
GETAROUNDTOIT
Bloody hell Owd that growth rate is fantastic ohmy.gif

If you dont mind a few questions can you tell me about your set up and nutes/feeding schedule. yinyang.gif

Sorry for picking your brains so much dude but you know how it is when planning a whole new grow.
I was always the one asking the questions in school,Many moons ago. rofl.gif

Any tips and nudges in the right direction are always appreciated beer.gif

G.A.T.I cool.gif
Owderb
I'm in hydro mate but if its hydro you want to know about then fire away only it says compo under your avvy wink1.gif

I just grow all my young uns in compo wink1.gif

But if you look at my previous grow diaries theres info and pics of my set up and room and various different hydro systems wink1.gif

Owd
GETAROUNDTOIT
Sound Owd,I started with compost and then a diy bubbler followed a few weeks later.
Both harvested at the same time. guitar.gif

I enjoyed the compost but have been bitten by the hydro bug man yes.gif
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To this[attachmentid=113875]


Sorry about the mess i was going to tidy up and take photos to upload but haven't got around to it doh.gif



If you could take a peek in my grow profile you can see what i will be using unless you can suggest something new to try. wink1.gif
Takes me ages to type 34.gif

Sorry i'll have to do a search as i can't see your other diaries,I click on the link in your sig and lose about five minutes just staring into your jars wacko.gif

Ive tried googling to find out a bit about the plants but found no info no.gif
Im shit at googling as well as typing rofl.gif
I'll sit back and enjoy the diary if you don't mind Owd,All the best with the grow cheers.gif

As the young ones say "Your the man and some" .Big respect to ya Owd yinyang.gif

cheers.gif

G.A.T.I cool.gif
Owderb
All of my systems are usually tweaked mate or altered to suit me but all incorporate drippers as I myself think this is the best way of controlling feed.

As for food i'm a big believer in less is more so I only use a basic grow+bloom plus a pk13/14(boost).

My favourite food is Growers Ark Solutions and I rarely go over 1.5 ec.I think folk think that more food you give em bigger the plant but thats a load of bollux whistling.gif

Heres my hydro write up to save time

Owd’s Hydro
When I first started growing our beloved herb I, like many others, grew in pots outside and doing it indoors never really came into my head as there was not too much going on at that time. When I did look at the prospect of going indoors and growing hydro it frightened the life out of me. It looked and sounded far too technical for my limited technical part of the brain and I dismissed the idea straight away as being too much like hard work. I wished I hadn’t as hydro is not too technical and it isn’t too much work. You make it as easy or as difficult for yourself by the way you prepare and by not cutting corners from the off. All I'm going to do is to tell of my experiences and give you some of my top tips that have helped me over the years. Everyone’s way of growing is different, so what works for one may not suit another but here goes

1) EC + PH Meters:
I start with this as IMO it is essential to have both, now not for one minute am I saying you can’t do it without but they take all the guess work out of the equation. The really good thing is that you can monitor quite closely the uptake of nutes your plant is taking by regular readings on the EC meter. On numerous grows for reasons I have no idea, my plants have just virtually stopped feeding for around a week and in mid flower. I noticed this because of the EC readings climbing quickly in the tank. Although the plant looks fine and shows no signs at this stage of any problems they would show later if I hadn’t spotted it with the meter. I changed the res with a lesser strength nute mix and then with the readings again waited until they started to feed again. This then eradicates the problem of a toxic build up which would stress the plants. Without a meter there is no way that I would have known until the plant had shown signs of nute’ burn, which then is too late. Also by doing exactly the same with the PH pen, you can identify any problems early by any sudden changes in the readings.

While on the subject of EC, many ask about what strength they should mix their nutes up to. My answer to this is always the same, take no notice of the bottle and let the EC meter tell you what your plants are asking for by the readings either rising or falling.

A good starting point when you have just put your plants(cuttings) in your systems, and when I say systems I mean reservoir systems(not bubbling buckets and similar as these need weaker strength mixes) is to set the EC at 1.0 to start and when in flower 1.4.After a few days the plants will start to tell you whether they want more or less nutes by the readings. This way you have less chance of overnuteing your plants.

I try also to keep my plants around the 5.8-6.6 range (PH), and if it rises from 5.8 to into the 6's I don’t worry as at least the plant is getting a chance to get the full range if you like.

2) Topping Up:
One thing I would never advocate is topping up with just plain water. All you are doing is diluting what is there, e.g. your EC reading has risen and it’s at a high level, don’t just dilute it down with water to the required level because there could be one element in the nutes that the plant HAS used, so by adding water that certain element is still missing. If its only risen slightly then top up with a weaker strength nute and correct it that way. You then know that if you did have a missing element you are putting it back in to the mix. Or, the best way is to empty your tank completely if there has been a sharp rise and put in fresh nutes. But as mentioned before DONT CUT CORNERS - This only leads to problems.

3) Water Preparation:
I always stand my water with a small pump in to keep it moving for 24hrs before adding nutes for 3 reasons. 1) I stand it for 24hrs to get a true ph reading as the ph always reads lower when straight out of the tap. 2) Freezing cold water is no good, so it helps to get the water up to a more acceptable temperature (no more than 25deg and no less than 18deg). 3) It just lets the chlorine levels drop a little.

4) Oxygen:
It’s always a good thing to have plenty of air bubbling away, either in your res or on your tray amongst the roots, or even in the pot via a porous airline. Roots love oxygen, so give it ‘em, you will see a marked difference as it keeps your water more conditioned and there’s less chance of pathogens breeding. I, myself, use a pump to keep the water moving and also keep numerous air stones in my res.

5) NFT Systems:
I cut my teeth on NFT's as many do in hydro so have experienced most of the problems you get with this technique, so here goes:
Make sure that your correx tops are white and not black for obvious reasons. If you do have black then cover them with B+W or similar, but even if you have white then cover them also because believe me light penetrates through just one. Especially with HPS, the light will hinder root growth and encourage algae growth.

Also make sure that no light can get to them roots, and that’s down the side of the cubes aswell. Leave plastic wrappers on Rockwool and cover the cube, again to keep algae at bay and to stop your cube from going mushy. Tilt your system a little more to achieve a good run off. Also, where possible, use two spray bars to feed. One at the top and one half way down the table. It is possible that, especially on larger tables, a certain element can be taken out of the food by the plants at the top before it reaches the bottom ones, hence the two bars.

Keep check of res temps as this can be a big problem that is just overlooked and will cause you all sorts of probs.

Pithium I found to be one of the biggest problems in NFT and the main reason for it, for me, was that the roots were too saturated. I had pools of water on the tray when the pump wasn’t feeding(hence the bigger tilt)and was feeding too often. Some folk swear by running their pump 24/7 which is fine but it didn’t work for me. I ended up feeding 15mins every hour during lights on and 15mins every 3hrs lights off. So you have to find out what works for you but my advice is intermittent feeding.

6) Flushing:
Again personal preferences, but I always flush for at least two weeks from the end of the grow. The 1st week with a weak feed and the final week just 1ml of grow for 4 days and then with good old plain water (no adjusting)

One final thing that is so important is cleanliness. Keep your rooms and all equipment clean and after every grow make sure you give them both a very good clean and disinfect.

Happy Hydro’ing.

Owderb.
GETAROUNDTOIT
Fantastic owd,Theres more than enough to keep me going there wink.gif

I've only just started my mission with hydro and built the bubblers as they seemed the easiest way to go.
My PH has always been stable at 5.8-6.0 thus far,H20 comes out the tap at 5.8 ph and 0.4 on the E.C
In the bubblers i start with 0.8 than 1.2 and finally 1.6
I did start off using as the bolttle directed and constantly struggled to keep the e.c low 34.gif

After reading in the hydro section i found a lot advice about using the E.C to regulate the feeding schedule.

I have done a lot of reading up and adapted different ideas into my own and can see several things in your summary i will be able to implement to improve my methods and it will be a great assistance when the clones & plants are out of my cab and in bimjobs new grow space.

Hopefully when the cabs clear i will be able to transform it into a low profile NFT growcab,The space is 4ft wide x 4ft high x 2ft deep.

I figured NFT would be best to keep the growing platform low,I have a lot of white UPVC cladding left over from a job and will be using this to cover the tray hopefully.

I have amassed a variety of bits and bobs and have enough materials to construct all the different hydro systems so will be trying them all.
I used to just top with plain water after leaving it for 12 hrs airating but can see what you mean there with the nutes so that will change straight away wink.gif

It does look a bit messy but i make sure i sterilise and clean the equipment,Its just the general housekeeping i struggle with,I need another shed rofl.gif

Thanks for taking the time to post such a detailed summary dude,No doubt this will be most helpful in my endevour's yinyang.gif

All the Best

G.A.T.I cool.gif

namkha
Senegalese herb is bootiful - stuff I smoked was in Italy ... bought by the handful

Had a peppery spicey smell and a strong uplifting high ... this was about ten years ago now

can we expect ACE to be releasing something Senegalese one of these days?

cheers,

Namkha
Owderb
2 weeks in now and she's looking good

Owderb
Just to show all the chaff gone.....That was done yesterday wink1.gif

Owderb
And a pic to show how I have encouraged the roots through the tray into the res....NFT meets DWC smoke.gif

Owderb
And one of the plant

Owderb
Only managed to get one pic before the batteries died so here it is at 3 weeks in wink1.gif

I'll take some more tonight wink1.gif

Owd
The_Embalmer
Nice growing Owderb,

ACE always come up with sommat interesting. So sorry I missed dubi down at Wembley. Missed them by 20 mins on the sunday, the only day I could make it. One of the main reasons I came down 34.gif
The 420 stand was cooking though, best stand there. yahoo.gif

The Nep Jam grows suprisingy short for a sativa, I found. Nice clear hit as well, very nice.
Their Bangi Haze is highly recommended and goes like a train on 12/12.
Orient Express is a nice short, bushy individual that lacked the intensity I had expected, I found, but more than makes up for it in the sublime taste. Chinese Yunnan x Vietnamese Black - lovely combination.

Will be doing some of their limited releases in the new year. Pure Yunnan and hopefully Malawi x Guatamalen.
Owderb
Thanks for the info Emb wink1.gif

The first clone off the mother was cropped last Saturday so should get a taste in the next week when I see the grower.

I'll give a smoke report then but I can say that it was finished after 60 days smoke.gif

Owd
Owderb
Couple more pics as promised wink1.gif

First just to show you the roots down from the tray into the res wink1.gif

Its the shadow and flash thats made em look a little brown but I can assure you they are pure white smoke.gif

Owderb
And here she is a little closer at 3 weeks in cool.gif

EC at 1.2 and ph set at 5.6 and kept there wink1.gif

Owd

dr rockster

Lovely stuff Owderb and I just love that pic in post #33.


Really cute. yinyang.gif
Owderb
Just look at the chrystal already and thats with no sharpening by the way wink1.gif

QUOTE

Lovely stuff Owderb and I just love that pic in post #33.


Why thanks alot wink1.gif
JASON31
well owderb i will take a seat and watch a master like yourself and hope
to learn a thing or 2 great work yinyang.gif
The_Embalmer
Good job, My man.

Top Drawer.

Light's up a big Nep Jam and waits for the ruuuuuuussssssssshhhhhhh. smoke.gif
theory
QUOTE(Owderb @ Dec 20 2006, 09:38 AM) [snapback]799239[/snapback]

Just to show all the chaff gone.....That was done yesterday wink1.gif


Cheers for this pic, this is the thing I really want to do on my next grow rather than letting the plants grow buds of nothingness. Do you make clean cuts or pinch them off with your nail?

As for the rest of the pics, well they look great - quite similar to mine in some characteristics although you're getting much faster growth. They look very healthy too... My roots looked amazing during every part of the grow... I wonder if thats to do with genetics? are yours better than usual or have you given it the owderb treatment? smile.gif

Anyway yeah, lovely pics of some fine plants - but I really cant wait till the 8th or 9th week to see how they look as they near their end thumbsup.gif all the best Owd. yinyang.gif
Owderb
QUOTE
Do you make clean cuts or pinch them off with your nail?


A small pair of pincers mate wink1.gif

I'm trying some new nutrients mate on this grow so it could be that but yes the roots are really good this time wink1.gif

The reps said that we would see a difference in root growth and I cant fault em there smoke.gif

Very impressive root system guitar.gif

And thanks to everyone for your kind words..Master lol.gif..Nah mate just someone who is passionate and keeps it simple..thats me wink1.gif

Owd
adddw
nice owd love the look of the bud on the pic dewd...huge calyxes or what...e z now wink1.gif
Burns
Looking good as usual mate wink.gif
And as for passion,I didn`t know what passion was until I started to grow my own! rofl.gif The more time and attention you pay them the more your efforts are rewarded smoke.gif

Burnage cool.gif
ACE seeds
QUOTE(The_Embalmer @ Dec 28 2006, 02:44 PM) [snapback]806259[/snapback]

Nice growing Owderb,

ACE always come up with sommat interesting. So sorry I missed dubi down at Wembley. Missed them by 20 mins on the sunday, the only day I could make it. One of the main reasons I came down 34.gif
The 420 stand was cooking though, best stand there. yahoo.gif

The Nep Jam grows suprisingy short for a sativa, I found. Nice clear hit as well, very nice.
Their Bangi Haze is highly recommended and goes like a train on 12/12.
Orient Express is a nice short, bushy individual that lacked the intensity I had expected, I found, but more than makes up for it in the sublime taste. Chinese Yunnan x Vietnamese Black - lovely combination.

Will be doing some of their limited releases in the new year. Pure Yunnan and hopefully Malawi x Guatamalen.


Good evening!

Embalmer, im looking forward to meet you in the next Fair! wink1.gif I enjoyed a lot talking with Uk420 friends!

Nepalese jam has an euphoric happy high. Bangi haze is more nervous and accelerated. Orient Express is the strain with more indica influence of our past catalogue. The high is real warm and balanced. Maybe it hasnt got the 'up sativa punch' of the other 2 strains, but the high is very apreciated by smokers which suffer anxiety or paranoia when smoking sativa dominant strains. If you find the correct mother, then Orient Express is equally powerful but in a different way.

Thanks for the good vibes! yinyang.gif
ACE seeds
QUOTE(namkha @ Dec 20 2006, 10:02 AM) [snapback]799224[/snapback]

Senegalese herb is bootiful - stuff I smoked was in Italy ... bought by the handful

Had a peppery spicey smell and a strong uplifting high ... this was about ten years ago now

can we expect ACE to be releasing something Senegalese one of these days?

cheers,

Namkha


High namkha!

Yes, senegalese sativas are very interesting. They grow small and compact compared with other african sativas. It's not a branchy lanky sativa. Stems and leaf are thin but they finish with a compact, columnar appearance. Flowering time is also quite short for a sativa, about 10 weeks or a little more depending on the subvariety.

We have a very interesting senegalese sativa recived 2 years ago. She produces dense resinous flowers for a pure sativa and the high is very powerful and electric. She needs some work as there are some hermie tendencies in the line but there's lot of potential with senegalese sativas. I hope to select some and produce fresh seeds next year.

Thanks for the interest! dubi
The_Embalmer
QUOTE(Owderb @ Dec 29 2006, 01:08 AM) [snapback]806863[/snapback]


Nah mate just someone who is passionate and keeps it simple..thats me wink1.gif

Owd


My sentiments and thinking.

EmB.
Gert Lush
Hi, Owderb, Season's Best!

Yes it's nice to see "something different" as you put it, isn't it?
Especially, since we're beginning to see more and more of it, thanks to innovative breeders like ACE, and of course, the wonder of the Internet.

Will be watching this one, best of luck!


PS. I'd also like to hear your opinion on how this compares with the Lesotho Haze you did a while back, if you've got a mo. Cheers!
Owderb
And the same to you Gert smoke.gif

Yes although the smoke could be shite its always nice to have a crack at summat different but you can just fall on summat special too wink1.gif

Here she is at 4 weeks wink1.gif
Owderb
And one of the whole plant which now stands at 45" tall wink1.gif

I'm on 1.2ec and 5.6 ph......Once again proof that you dont need high ec's to grow bud and if they were hungry they would be showing it wink1.gif

Owderb
And just a final one once again of the roots in the res....Like i mentioned before this is Drippers meets NFT meets DWC guitar.gif

Just one observation on the already flowered one is that it put a few stealths out at 7 weeks but too late to do owt so no worries there....Just shows its a strong plant so I will be keeping my eyes peeled but up to yet no signs here smoke.gif
scarfaceshady
jesus owd she looks great for 4 weeks mate nice one smoke.gif

take care

scarface
Owderb
Cheers Scar wink.gif

Well I have just had the pleasure in smoking a sample from my mate and my golly gosh yahoo.gif

A really uplifting strong high that made my stomach rumble and go tight if you know what I mean.Plus the rush in the head and eyes was very strong.After the first 10 minutes which was intense by the way it mellowed out into a lovely heady high followed by a mild body stone mixed in which lasted a good 3 hours smoke.gif

A very very nice smoke indeed and potent too which always is a bonus i'm sure you'll agree,and this is without a cure wink1.gif

Cant wait for mine to finish now and for the next pheno to go in next time smoke.gif

In fact its that nice I'm having another fekker now yahoo.gif

Owd
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