My finest plant has been on a water diet for almost 2 weeks now. I though I would take her down 3 days ago. I noticed some nice dark colors of purple showing on the top foxtail calyxes. I think this is awesome! I keep looking at the trichomes for amber and don't see hardly any that I think are from age. The few amber glands I do see look like they are from damage. Very few. The crystalls were about 50% milky and cloudy 3 days ago. In the past few days around 10% more have turned cloudy, not amber.
Some white pistils formed a few days ago as well. Only on the very top of foxtails are they white.
The humidity is 30% and temps are between 68-76 F.
So, what do I do?
I would love to have more purple in my bud, but I don't want smoke that I can't enjoy because it knocks me out!
Full Version: Should I Wait For More Purple?
If you leave the trichomes to turn amber, then you'll get more of a couchlock effect. If you want more of a head buzz then harvest before they change colour.
I would harvest if I were you, but I know it's a preferential thing.
Are you sure this strain's trichs do in fact turn amber?
Are you sure this strain's trichs do in fact turn amber?
QUOTE(eri @ Dec 8 2006, 06:16 AM) [snapback]786730[/snapback]
I would harvest if I were you, but I know it's a preferential thing.
Are you sure this strain's trichs do in fact turn amber?
No, not at all. It's the first time I have had a garden all to myself and the seed came from some high grade buds I got. Obviously hermaphrodite but good quality! No clue what strain. Maybe a B.C. kind?
Since I have never even had a plant with amber trichomes I don't know what to expect. Every plant I have ever helped with growing didn't turn amber. With exception of purple Urkle which seemed to have dark colors throughout the buds and glands themselves. Urkle's gland stalks were purple! I wasn't able to get enough time day to day with anything to see the glands ripen to amber. In my plants they didn't ever go to amber. I waited through 90 days of flowering! Trust me, just lots of milky chunky heads. When some were breaking from being over-filled with goodness, I chopped, and got some seriously stoney, heavy, red-eye inducing, narcotic feeling buds.
I kinda like them for before bed. You can't lift your head and your eyes cross while losing the ability to focus on objects. FUN!
Is there any way of telling what going to happen? any signs of anything?
I'm not stressing but it would be cool to know how to tell!
QUOTE(mikeypdc @ Dec 8 2006, 09:44 AM) [snapback]786639[/snapback]
I would love to have more purple in my bud,
Why?It makes no difference to the smoke.
no but it looks nice : o)
i love the purple etc in buds. and thanx for the info o nthe trichs.
i love the purple etc in buds. and thanx for the info o nthe trichs.
QUOTE(Gert Lush @ Dec 11 2006, 09:49 PM) [snapback]790734[/snapback]
Why?
It makes no difference to the smoke.
QUOTE(Damnation @ Dec 12 2006, 04:52 AM) [snapback]790822[/snapback]
no but it looks nice : o)
i love the purple etc in buds. and thanx for the info o nthe trichs.
You got it right!
It looks awesome to a newbie like myself to produce purple looking bud. Although you're right, no difference in the smoke. Although colors do show that the buds were properly leached of nutrients.
Thanks guys
QUOTE(mikeypdc @ Dec 13 2006, 04:02 AM) [snapback]792020[/snapback]
Although colors do show that the buds were properly leached of nutrients.
I'm afraid thats not true. In my experience it makes zero difference to colour whether you flush or not.
What does make a difference to colour is temperature. I had a ECSD plant that looked perfectly normal when I grew it (indoors) in summer. Come winter and the buds/bud leaves would go purple. Only difference was the canopy temperature - around 5C cooler in winter.
QUOTE(Not A Number @ Dec 13 2006, 03:46 AM) [snapback]792077[/snapback]
I'm afraid thats not true. In my experience it makes zero difference to colour whether you flush or not.
What does make a difference to colour is temperature. I had a ECSD plant that looked perfectly normal when I grew it (indoors) in summer. Come winter and the buds/bud leaves would go purple. Only difference was the canopy temperature - around 5C cooler in winter.
If you have lots of nitrogen in the plant it will stay green. If you flush you get more colors from the greens leaving. I use a MH and hardly get colors at all. I had to do lots of flushing to get yellowing to occur. I also cant get my room very cold either. I know that would bring out colors.
If there is less nitrogen then there will be less chlorophyll to be the green. I would guess if a plant were genetically programmed to be purple it wouldn't make a difference on flushing, just the temps. But if you properly leached the food from an already purple plant, more green would disappear leaving more purples.
am I right?
If you are flushing long enough for the leaves to change from green to yellow then you are doing it for WAY too long. Simple as that.
Yellow leaves are not good for the plant EVER.
Yellow leaves are not good for the plant EVER.
Not all variety's go amber...Read this from OT
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A quick note about psychoactivity by oldtimer1
The thing about amber trichomes, is that true amber trichomes only develop in some phenotypes and only with very high potency types!
The way to define it, is that high potency or should I say the type of plant that develops what I call complex psychoactivity, only develop with clear trichome stages, they go from glass clear to very light yellow to amber to red amber as they develop. The onset of the first red amber just showing is when the potency is at its peak.
At all these stages the trichomes are crystal clear like cut jewels! Its only as they start to degrade that they start to go brown and start to cloud ie: become none translucent this finally degrades to a dark muddy colour.
Types that go from glass clear to milky [like frosted glass]. With this type when you get 40 to 60% milky trichomes, new thc production is being produced at a lower rate than it is slowly degrading, this is the most psychoactive point for this type or variety, it will never produce true amber, instead when you get the oxidised thc starting to show, which is more of an amber brown but cloudy. With this type of var as soon as brown trichomes start appearing you know thc production is way over the top and declining rapidly, at this stage psychoactivity is also declining and the effect becomes more and more narcotic. You see this much more with genes that come from hash making type genetics or so called indicas. Its the same thing as fresh lightly pressed hash has a nice medium honey coloured look, but this very quickly starts to darken, becomes brown then black over time as the surface thc oil oxidises.
Real Amber trichomes only happen on a very few varieties (mainly sativa dominant), the order is clear, clear slightly pale yellow, ie [going amber], to clear red amber. [at all stages they remain jewel clear]
With most varieties (indica dominant) you get clear trichomes then slightly cloudy finally milky.
What happens to both types (sativa and indica) is that eventually both milky and amber trichomes will finally degrade to brown, people often confuse this brown with amber, true amber trichome types remain crystal clear until they finally degrade, they are not the same, the final brown is cloudy/muddy in both types, when trichomes are getting to this stage potency is declining rapidly and the buds well over the top.
With sativa dom’s time means little, as soon as you see the first sign of trichome changes ie milky/clear straw, you start cutting a bud every week, then choose the stone you like best, sats take longer to mature especially real amber types, also longer to degrade to the brown oxidised stage.
The thing about amber trichomes, is that true amber trichomes only develop in some phenotypes and only with very high potency types!
The way to define it, is that high potency or should I say the type of plant that develops what I call complex psychoactivity, only develop with clear trichome stages, they go from glass clear to very light yellow to amber to red amber as they develop. The onset of the first red amber just showing is when the potency is at its peak.
At all these stages the trichomes are crystal clear like cut jewels! Its only as they start to degrade that they start to go brown and start to cloud ie: become none translucent this finally degrades to a dark muddy colour.
Types that go from glass clear to milky [like frosted glass]. With this type when you get 40 to 60% milky trichomes, new thc production is being produced at a lower rate than it is slowly degrading, this is the most psychoactive point for this type or variety, it will never produce true amber, instead when you get the oxidised thc starting to show, which is more of an amber brown but cloudy. With this type of var as soon as brown trichomes start appearing you know thc production is way over the top and declining rapidly, at this stage psychoactivity is also declining and the effect becomes more and more narcotic. You see this much more with genes that come from hash making type genetics or so called indicas. Its the same thing as fresh lightly pressed hash has a nice medium honey coloured look, but this very quickly starts to darken, becomes brown then black over time as the surface thc oil oxidises.
Real Amber trichomes only happen on a very few varieties (mainly sativa dominant), the order is clear, clear slightly pale yellow, ie [going amber], to clear red amber. [at all stages they remain jewel clear]
With most varieties (indica dominant) you get clear trichomes then slightly cloudy finally milky.
What happens to both types (sativa and indica) is that eventually both milky and amber trichomes will finally degrade to brown, people often confuse this brown with amber, true amber trichome types remain crystal clear until they finally degrade, they are not the same, the final brown is cloudy/muddy in both types, when trichomes are getting to this stage potency is declining rapidly and the buds well over the top.
With sativa dom’s time means little, as soon as you see the first sign of trichome changes ie milky/clear straw, you start cutting a bud every week, then choose the stone you like best, sats take longer to mature especially real amber types, also longer to degrade to the brown oxidised stage.
Mmmm I thought so - purple is a phosphorous deficiency. So it's either cold (plants can't take up phosphorous easily below 10C) or you flushing it.
The thing is you see if the plant has a phosphorous deficiency then your buds haven't been developing much (if at all) since its required for blooming.
Too much flushing I'd say and probably too high a ph too (phosphorous is locked out in hydro at >6.0).
The thing is you see if the plant has a phosphorous deficiency then your buds haven't been developing much (if at all) since its required for blooming.
Too much flushing I'd say and probably too high a ph too (phosphorous is locked out in hydro at >6.0).
QUOTE(Not A Number @ Dec 14 2006, 04:34 AM) [snapback]793259[/snapback]
If you are flushing long enough for the leaves to change from green to yellow then you are doing it for WAY too long. Simple as that.
Yellow leaves are not good for the plant EVER.
I only flushed for a week before the big bottom fan leaves yellowed. Then 3 days later I put it in the dark for another 60 hours. I only use 1-gallon pots of coco mix.I flushed with 3 gallons of water and didn't give any food for the last week after the flush. could that be why I got yellow colors?
Only 1 of my strains yellowed while the other faded a bit but didn't lose much green like the other. I figured one was storing some food away. Whats the deal?
I though I was looking for a little yellowing to show the plant reaching the end of the cycle?
Notice how an almost ready plant looks like big buds on sticks, without tons of leaves. I though that was from getting old and getting rid of leaves it didn't need?
No more getting tall so no more fan leaves needed? Is this how it works?
the purpling could mean stress as the plant is not taking up nutrients[ [yellow leafs]]and it knows its life is coming to end...chop it dude..you done well
QUOTE(mikeypdc @ Dec 16 2006, 04:48 AM) [snapback]795417[/snapback]
Notice how an almost ready plant looks like big buds on sticks, without tons of leaves.
I'm afraid the only place I see that on a regular basis is your side of the pond. Its insane, stresses the plant and if anything reduces the yield. Oh yes Soft Secrets seem to recommend it too but their growing skills leave rather a lot to be desired
You don't need to flush (in compost) unless you got feeding badly wrong. You don't need to turn the lights out for 60 hours. It's nonsense. Stop doing it as all it is doing is making your plants ill.
Dont worry bout the purple, just keep her healthy until the trichs go to the color you wish according to the stone you desire.
And its true, americans butcher plants. Also, the fact that your plant is purple doesn't really affect anything. If you take a look at my diary, my Heavy Duty Fruity has gone completely purple but thats because it's in the genetics. Truth be told, its probably the worst plan in my garden in terms of reputation for being a great smoke (Pot of GOld and Super Silver Haze bein the competition). The Heavy Duty Fruity I grew last time was not purple (different phenotype) but it smelled a helluva lot fruitier.
For some reason in the U.S especially, there is such a high demand for "Purple." There are a few California strains (Grandaddy Purple and Purple Urkel come to mind) that are top stuff, but of course they are clone only Cali strains from the medi clubs in the SF and Oakland areas. Anyone claiming to be selling the stuff out on the East Coast is lying 99.999% of the time.
And if you want purple plants because you are selling them (this is a primarily a personal growers site, selling is looked highly upon in these forums), think about this: getting them to turn purple will likley stress them and reduce your yield. Reduced yield = less stuff to sell. If you just want purple cuz it looks pretty, invest in some purple genetics and grow multiple phenotypes but dont hurt the plants for colors.
And its true, americans butcher plants. Also, the fact that your plant is purple doesn't really affect anything. If you take a look at my diary, my Heavy Duty Fruity has gone completely purple but thats because it's in the genetics. Truth be told, its probably the worst plan in my garden in terms of reputation for being a great smoke (Pot of GOld and Super Silver Haze bein the competition). The Heavy Duty Fruity I grew last time was not purple (different phenotype) but it smelled a helluva lot fruitier.
For some reason in the U.S especially, there is such a high demand for "Purple." There are a few California strains (Grandaddy Purple and Purple Urkel come to mind) that are top stuff, but of course they are clone only Cali strains from the medi clubs in the SF and Oakland areas. Anyone claiming to be selling the stuff out on the East Coast is lying 99.999% of the time.
And if you want purple plants because you are selling them (this is a primarily a personal growers site, selling is looked highly upon in these forums), think about this: getting them to turn purple will likley stress them and reduce your yield. Reduced yield = less stuff to sell. If you just want purple cuz it looks pretty, invest in some purple genetics and grow multiple phenotypes but dont hurt the plants for colors.
QUOTE(Gert Lush @ Dec 12 2006, 04:49 AM) [snapback]790734[/snapback]
Why?
It makes no difference to the smoke.
90% of the time it tastes very pastel/flural
and its a lovely change to have, from green.
i used to dislike the taste of purp-weed, but i have gron some nice purpul stuff in the past
i smoked 2 very nice pruple strains recently, first being purple pineberry smelled and smoked fairly sweet with a berry type taste and very nice purple hint to the dried and cure buds, the second was purple warp this was a very couch locky stone, kinda hits you on the head type of stone, few tokes and it announces itself 
may even try to grow them both myself in the future
T1
may even try to grow them both myself in the future
T1
QUOTE(dantawn @ Dec 16 2006, 08:00 PM) [snapback]795905[/snapback]
If you take a look at my diary, my Heavy Duty Fruity has gone completely purple but thats because it's in the genetics.
You could view it as the genes requiring more phosphorous than the average cannabis plant?
Much like some strains seem to always need Epsom salts to sort out a Mg deficiency - but nobody ever says "Oh it goes that colour because of genetics" do they?
That's my thinking anyway. Purple/red (and even blue) may look nice but I don't believe they are a sign of health
Edit - it'd be interesting to see if people in soft water areas get more purpling in hydro (PH Down is phosphoric acid).
QUOTE(Not A Number @ Dec 14 2006, 09:34 AM) [snapback]793259[/snapback]
If you are flushing long enough for the leaves to change from green to yellow then you are doing it for WAY too long. Simple as that.
Yellow leaves are not good for the plant EVER.
So is that right, yellow leaves are no good for a plant when flushing!
I thought that when flushing, the leaves start to go yellow as they isn't as much remaining neuts in the soil and they start to drawn the last sugars from the leaves which helps to stress the plant a little and build up slightly more of a layer of crystal in order to protect it's self!! Helping to the kinda ripening process! The buds seem to aswell and explode
QUOTE(-=DrGreenThumb=- @ Dec 17 2006, 05:38 PM) [snapback]796622[/snapback]
So is that right, yellow leaves are no good for a plant when flushing!
I thought that when flushing, the leaves start to go yellow as they isn't as much remaining neuts in the soil
Why are you flushing in soil?
QUOTE
"You could view it as the genes requiring more phosphorous than the average cannabis plant?
Much like some strains seem to always need Epsom salts to sort out a Mg deficiency - but nobody ever says "Oh it goes that colour because of genetics" do they?"
Much like some strains seem to always need Epsom salts to sort out a Mg deficiency - but nobody ever says "Oh it goes that colour because of genetics" do they?"
hmm, thats interesting. Do you think different phenotypes of the same genetics could feed so drastically different that it accounts for the color shift? It had purple in the calyxes as soon as they appeared and I repotted directly before flowering so there was plenty of nutrients in the soil. These are beans from the same pack (pictures below) fed on the same ot1 biobizz schedule. Could the same genetics have a phosphorous deficiency that changes the colour of the entire plant when they are on the same feeding schedule?
In reference to the purple strains- I think those tastes are in the genetics as well as a tendency to show colour rather than the colour being an indicator of that taste, if that makes sense. My purple HDF, from a clipped air bud on the bottom of the plant, is slightly earthier than the green HDF which is a fruiter/floral taste. Do plants with a phosphorus deficiency taste better? If purple is a taste and a colour then wouldnt this be the case?
thats just my 2 cents, and thats all its worth
Well I've had different phenotypes of the same strain with different feeding requirements so if you view the purpling as a phosphorous deficiency (rather than anything else) then isn't it just another phenotype with its own particular feeding requirements? In this case that'd be a feed with more P in it.
Regarding taste: It seems reasonable to suppose that what you feed the plant has an effect on the final taste. Having less phosphorous (such that you're getting purpling) in the plant might cause a change in taste. The only way to be sure would be to take one of the phenos you know doesn't go purple, feed less P to it and see what occurs.
In fact you could try feeding the purple pheno more P and the green pheno less P and see if they 'swap over'
Regarding taste: It seems reasonable to suppose that what you feed the plant has an effect on the final taste. Having less phosphorous (such that you're getting purpling) in the plant might cause a change in taste. The only way to be sure would be to take one of the phenos you know doesn't go purple, feed less P to it and see what occurs.
In fact you could try feeding the purple pheno more P and the green pheno less P and see if they 'swap over'
Thats interesting, I may do that this next grow just to see what happens.
Sorry for the thread hijack, Mikey. What did you end up doing and did the colors change?
Sorry for the thread hijack, Mikey. What did you end up doing and did the colors change?
Notice how an almost ready plant looks like big buds on sticks, without tons of leaves.
I'm afraid the only place I see that on a regular basis is your side of the pond. Its insane, stresses the plant and if anything reduces the yield. Oh yes Soft Secrets seem to recommend it too but their growing skills leave rather a lot to be desired
You don't need to flush (in compost) unless you got feeding badly wrong. You don't need to turn the lights out for 60 hours. It's nonsense. Stop doing it as all it is doing is making your plants ill.
Cool looking buds are nice to look at. Maybe I am juvenile. I take the plant out of the room and wait for at least 24 hours to harvest. Scientists have shown the highest concentrations of chemicals in the pre-dawn time of the day. Stuff builds up over night. That is the reason for me leaving my plants int the dark.
I hear what you're saying, In the USA and BC are the strains like buds on sticks. If I didn't see for myself I would think the same exact thing! A lot of time when you see resin monsters which are like I am describing, the plant had been hacked at by an amateur grower to get a product like a picture they saw(probably in a magazine). This isn't always the case! A few, not many but some hash plants, I think. The plant I speak of looked like something a nuclear reactor produced! I think it was the "cuddlefish" hashplant. Like subcool has in a article this month. It was either hashplant or a chemo cross??? ANYWAYS ... The plant I am speaking of has Enormous buds which thin themselves out at around 6 weeks by losing most of the longer stemmed fan leaves. They don't even yellow or nothing first, Maybe it was from a MH during flowering? Good strong smoke but not much flavor which was probably the growers fault (hydro). The genes were lost to the law one afternoon.
Probably, because there has been so much tinkering to get MORE in the part of the world I am from. This being a capitalist society where an ounce of premium can get $450-$500.
I just watched the video on pot-tv on how to make bubble. In the video Bubbleman refers to a strain which he has only seen in B.C. which is what I am talking about in bud structure. I actually think that is where I got the nuclear bud reference from!
Don't worry bout the purple, just keep her healthy until the trichs go to the color you wish according to the stone you desire.
And its true, Americans butcher plants. Also, the fact that your plant is purple doesn't really affect anything. If you take a look at my diary, my Heavy Duty Fruity has gone completely purple but thats because it's in the genetics. Truth be told, its probably the worst plan in my garden in terms of reputation for being a great smoke (Pot of GOld and Super Silver Haze being the competition). The Heavy Duty Fruity I grew last time was not purple (different phenotype) but it smelled a helluva lot fruitier.
For some reason in the U.S especially, there is such a high demand for "Purple." There are a few California strains (Grandaddy Purple and Purple Urkel come to mind) that are top stuff, but of course they are clone only Cali strains from the medi clubs in the SF and Oakland areas. Anyone claiming to be selling the stuff out on the East Coast is lying 99.999% of the time.
And if you want purple plants because you are selling them (this is a primarily a personal growers site, selling is looked highly upon in these forums), think about this: getting them to turn purple will likley stress them and reduce your yield. Reduced yield = less stuff to sell. If you just want purple cuz it looks pretty, invest in some purple genetics and grow multiple phenotypes but dont hurt the plants for colors.
First, I only grow for myself and another for his medicine. I can't stress that enough!
Second,I must be in that .0001%.I agree that most of the time, folks lie about what they have to get more money for it. Most but not all! Some folks still appreciate getting "the best" for themselves and some close friends. With a little help from my friends, Purple Urkle, On the east coast USA.
There are more pics in my album.
Why are you flushing in soil?
I am using a coco based mix.
QUOTE(Not A Number @ Dec 16 2006, 04:57 AM) [snapback]795502[/snapback]
I'm afraid the only place I see that on a regular basis is your side of the pond. Its insane, stresses the plant and if anything reduces the yield. Oh yes Soft Secrets seem to recommend it too but their growing skills leave rather a lot to be desired
You don't need to flush (in compost) unless you got feeding badly wrong. You don't need to turn the lights out for 60 hours. It's nonsense. Stop doing it as all it is doing is making your plants ill.
Cool looking buds are nice to look at. Maybe I am juvenile. I take the plant out of the room and wait for at least 24 hours to harvest. Scientists have shown the highest concentrations of chemicals in the pre-dawn time of the day. Stuff builds up over night. That is the reason for me leaving my plants int the dark.
I hear what you're saying, In the USA and BC are the strains like buds on sticks. If I didn't see for myself I would think the same exact thing! A lot of time when you see resin monsters which are like I am describing, the plant had been hacked at by an amateur grower to get a product like a picture they saw(probably in a magazine). This isn't always the case! A few, not many but some hash plants, I think. The plant I speak of looked like something a nuclear reactor produced! I think it was the "cuddlefish" hashplant. Like subcool has in a article this month. It was either hashplant or a chemo cross??? ANYWAYS ... The plant I am speaking of has Enormous buds which thin themselves out at around 6 weeks by losing most of the longer stemmed fan leaves. They don't even yellow or nothing first, Maybe it was from a MH during flowering? Good strong smoke but not much flavor which was probably the growers fault (hydro). The genes were lost to the law one afternoon.
Probably, because there has been so much tinkering to get MORE in the part of the world I am from. This being a capitalist society where an ounce of premium can get $450-$500.
I just watched the video on pot-tv on how to make bubble. In the video Bubbleman refers to a strain which he has only seen in B.C. which is what I am talking about in bud structure. I actually think that is where I got the nuclear bud reference from!
QUOTE(dantawn @ Dec 16 2006, 03:00 PM) [snapback]795905[/snapback]
Don't worry bout the purple, just keep her healthy until the trichs go to the color you wish according to the stone you desire.
And its true, Americans butcher plants. Also, the fact that your plant is purple doesn't really affect anything. If you take a look at my diary, my Heavy Duty Fruity has gone completely purple but thats because it's in the genetics. Truth be told, its probably the worst plan in my garden in terms of reputation for being a great smoke (Pot of GOld and Super Silver Haze being the competition). The Heavy Duty Fruity I grew last time was not purple (different phenotype) but it smelled a helluva lot fruitier.
For some reason in the U.S especially, there is such a high demand for "Purple." There are a few California strains (Grandaddy Purple and Purple Urkel come to mind) that are top stuff, but of course they are clone only Cali strains from the medi clubs in the SF and Oakland areas. Anyone claiming to be selling the stuff out on the East Coast is lying 99.999% of the time.
And if you want purple plants because you are selling them (this is a primarily a personal growers site, selling is looked highly upon in these forums), think about this: getting them to turn purple will likley stress them and reduce your yield. Reduced yield = less stuff to sell. If you just want purple cuz it looks pretty, invest in some purple genetics and grow multiple phenotypes but dont hurt the plants for colors.
First, I only grow for myself and another for his medicine. I can't stress that enough!
Second,I must be in that .0001%.I agree that most of the time, folks lie about what they have to get more money for it. Most but not all! Some folks still appreciate getting "the best" for themselves and some close friends. With a little help from my friends, Purple Urkle, On the east coast USA.
There are more pics in my album.
QUOTE(Not A Number @ Dec 17 2006, 01:15 PM) [snapback]796663[/snapback]
Why are you flushing in soil?
I am using a coco based mix.
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