Hiya,I am currently growing Indica/Sativa crosses but I would like to grow a nice (and cheap!) Sativa that would fit in my 1.4m high grow room.

I plan to use LST with this grow so I dont mind having to do that for a sativa grow but ideally I would like to start off with a short growing Sativa if one exists.

What would you recomend?

**cant hint on the cheap part enough (less than £30 seeds)!

Thanks peeps!

grapefruit sounds like your girl....is early maturing fast flowering...they should grow up to like 60 cm or somet when you switch to 12/12 after one week of germ....

Seedsman is currently doing a half-price offer on Reeferman strains, you might find some good cheap stas there.
Just got me some Willijuana.
Can't give the link, of course, but you do know how to use Google, no?

BTW, this really should be in the "Green Room" or something, I thought this section was for strain reports.

Just so you know, a plant should not be put on 12/12 one week after they have germ'd from seed, they need to be mature so you get a good yeild and stone off them, at one week after germ i thik they would still be in the seedling stage and not even in veg yet, if you want something tlike that then go with an autoflowerer like lowryder or masterlow,
T1

Unless, they equatorial sats.. they exist in a zone where the seasonal light differrences are 11-13 to 13-11.. and are triggered by age from seed not light period. Some sat hybrids , nevilles haze for instance, were always recommended by the breeder to be be grown under 12-12 from seed.

And everyone wants a sat hit in a short, quick plant.. it is the holy grail, and i have yet to find it, but have come close. I fear a short sat is an oxymoron, like an honest cop or a guilt free wank.

This is not strictly true.

Basically, it applies much more to "indica"-biased plants, and there - indeed - it woulkd be daft not to give them at least 5 weks of veg, your yield would be ridiculously small.

However, with more "sativa"-biased plants, things are a bit different.
You've got to remember that the Equator (where most sativas thrive) is an area of practically constant 12/12.
Lots of people grow the more stretchy sativas in 12/12 right from germination! This keeps them more manageable, and their yields are good.
So, basically, the more sativa-like plants will flower when they're damn good and ready, unlike the more light-dependant indicas.

Personally, I have seen grows of both C99 and Super Silver Haze done in 12/12 from seed, and they were both excellent. I am sure many others will pipe up with more examples....The whole cycle, from seed to weed is about 120-150 days IIRC.

Bambata has a very short stretch and stays compact.
Still, in that very low cabinet, flowering rooted clones would be recommended, SOG style.

i stand corrected by utopiate and gert, i was told about bringing a weed plant on to maturity before flowering them, i didnt realise that the sats could be pushed into flower so quickly and that they are naturally grown in 12/12 around the equatrial regions, Sorry
T1

T1Neo, just to clarify things a wee bit more, "sats" aren't really pushed into flower by 12/12. They really do mature in their own sweet time. As utopiate said, they're not as responsive to light cycles as "indicas" (some of which are crazily responsive).

Just to illustrate, the C99 clone which I currently keep, took almost one month of 12/12 AFTER 4 weeks in veg to show flower. Obviously, now that it is mature as a clone, it only takes a few days, but from seed... that's another story. I also have a PNG based sativa (303) that has been two months in 12/12 (after 2 months veg) and still hasn't shown. OK, that's a bit of an extreme example, but you get the idea:-
Sativas are happy in 12/12, but it doesn't necessarily "push them into flower quicker", as you put it.

BTW, I agree with the recommendations, try a C99, Grapefruit, or my personal favourite Apollo11, with a good topping and LST/ScrOG, you should get what you're after.

I wouldnt label grapefruit or c99 as sativa... and neither warrant 12/12 from birth.

To grow sats/sat doms in your space you really need to be working with clones.

Good Luck,

VRG

I wouldn't either , but they're the best stab there is at the moment, no?

And while I agree, they do not warrant 12/12 from seed, I have seen it done (with c99 anyway), and it's fine.

I'd also agree that clones is the way to go in a small space like that, but what strain to suggest, hm.... not too easy.

The Bambata suggestion is good, too, but a tad over the stated budget. Still, it's bound to be easier than something like Malawi...

For team Tiki I wanted to mention I have just grown out their Green Devil which is sat dom but not pure sat - good yielder, 9 week ish flower (under enviros) not too stretchy - interesting lemon diesel flavour and very well balanced high

B

Hi Gert,



Personally, id say no... especially if you are referring to femaleseeds offerings.
If your looking for a real sativa high, you want to be looking at what ACE and Cannabiogen have to offer. Steer well clear of inbred dutch shite.

Just for a laugh, Grapefruit BX1...
I pressume this is the stock used to make the femaleseeds version.

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I dont doubt that mate, but I see no real benefits to that method unless you are growing pure landrace sativa's.



I agree, its not easy no! There is so much shit on the market it must be a mine field for newbi's. A good place to start would be the catalogues of both ACE and Cannabiogen.

VRG

Hi VRG,

Basically, I think we agree mostly, although I notice that the original poster also specified a price tag of less than £30!
That narrows things pretty much, and I think puts CannaBiogen, at least, out of the picture. But yes, there are some really interesting efforts out of Spain and Switzerland.

My own experience with c99 was SpiceBros, which was good enough for me (as a beginner - I've barely been growing for a year). I also did their Apollo11 with a bit of Haze thrown in (A11GxLH), and I like it very much. Damn good weed for 8 weeks, and very easy to top/LST. Sadly these are no longer available on the market. To be fair, I was given a sample of femaleseeds c99, and it was very good, not as trippy/euphoric as the SpiceBros, but a very, very positive and motivating weed nevertheless. Wouldn't say no to it - no way. Perhaps it was a fluke, but most growers seem happy-ish with their femaleseeds c99 and relatives thereof.

Hey,

Thought I`d throw my 2pence in (seeing its been ages since I`ve been in here, having no grow kinda does that..) but my first grow was Skunk #11 from Dutch Passion (which is really just feminised Skunk #1)..

Check out my grow diary but I got these Sat dom's to go nicely to a good height, I still had a few inches to spare in my grow robe at the end of it... These actually turned out to be too Sat dom for my taste (almost tripping is not good )

I concur re. the Tiki Sativa. I had one in my Tiki Mix grow which I assume was fairly close to Bambata and was well-behaved and high-yielding .. though I haven't smoked much of it yet as I'm heavily into the lovely indica phenos at the moment.

Which reminds me I really need to order another packet - a real bargain at £10.

Which begs the question as to why I'm now growing out a Canna Biogen mix .. one of the sativa phenos in this grow shows every sign of leisurely stretching away for months ....

You got to remember that that could mean just about anything, bob!
Is it the breeder's description?

And since when was there a set standard, anyway?
Some people may only accept a true landrace that grows to 15' as a "sativa" - others will say that a Dutch Skunk is 66.66% sativa, after all, it is Mex x Colombian x Afghan. That's two "sativas", one "indica".

So how would one rate it? By the effect on body vs mind? I don't think we're anywhere near a clear description system, or even if such a thing could exist!

what about durban poison?

I vegged mine for 8 weeks from seed and they have been in flower for 14 days and seem manageable.

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That could also mean just about anything!




OK, kidding aside, there are differences between what's described as Durban.
Who's the breeder?

seedsman... £24.95..supposed to be true breeding, although one of 'em looks a lot different than the others, more like a thinner, greener with hints of bright red in it, slower to mature type

TBH, I'd trust seedsman's offerings more than the regulation Dutch Issue alleged Durbans!
Dunno why, just a hunch based on what I read. Could be wrong.

The "different one" sounds interesting. Maybe it's a sport. Or just some redbeard got mixed with the Durbs.
D'you have a diary? - I'll be watching.

I hope it is a redbeard, I'll grow it out whatever, I've taken a couple of cuttings from each and have a male downstairs ready.

my diary is here.


http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?show...=73841&st=0

Can't remember precisely how this fits with your budget, but I'd second Bambata as a possible, just in practical terms. I'm growing this from seed, with a single plant coming up to 4 weeks flowering, which I trained during veg. It's at least near to stopping stretch, and may have stopped already, and it's only 80 cms high Thirsty bugger though.

I think you need to doa bit more reading neo

cheers utope wasnt around to answer back chap