My first grow was ww from black label high quality seeds. I have since read bad things about them but to me they seem fine.
Is any one breeder considered to be the best?
Money is not qa problem and should price affect my decision?
Are dutch passion good seeds?
Cheers

Well I'm growing 2 different Dutch Passion Strains this grow.

I like Serious Seeds as well.

I'm only new to growing, I'm working my way through all the seeds

i had brought dutch passion bout 6 packsover the months and aint had one work on me , payed 5o quid apack , paid 15 for apak of nirvana (regular) ice and got 4 females growing now as a matter of fact 2 weeks in flower now ,each seed grew, i broke 2 by repotting and 4 were males, but they r wicked bud and good quality seeds hope this helps????????/

I've had good results from most of the seeds I've grown.

Sensi I found very reliable if a little unexciting. My favourite seeds (sadly now unavailable) were Spice of Life's "Adventure Mix" - which was their Sweet tooth crossed with all manner of males ... I got a couple of lovely tasty phenos which I was sadly unable to keep going. If I'd known I would have bought a second packet

im new to uk420, im also trying to grow new strains, so far ive had quite alot of success with growing gain haze outdoors in greenhouse but unsure how long they take to flower, they have been flowering for nearly six weeks now, i dont suppose you can help cheers mate

ive not had very good reports on dutch passion seeds but i went to pukka seeds and got a pack of gain haze, out of the 10 seeds we lost 2 while germinating, then 2 turn out to be male/female but the remaining ones of which i put 4 in the ground inside a plastic greenhouse and the rest into pots. the pots have already been harvest it was a mind blowing hit. the ones in the g-house are still flowering but we under estimated how big they would grow, so at this moment are g-house is full they have escaped out the door and we had to build an extention. were not sure how long for flowering but hope its not too long, the buds are getting thereso if anyone could help please let me know as i would hate to lose them to a frost. we will post are photos asap. cheers traynpaul

I spent £45 on a pack of Sensi Seeds and got 0% germination. Spent £20 on TWO packs of mandala seeds and got 100% germination and have perfectly healthy plants on the go now thanks to them:)

So price doesn't come into it. Some breeders are greedier than others I guess.

Go for Mandala seeds, they have something for everyone:) I'm doing Speed Queens and Hashberry.

The seeds were side by side in a propagator so you can't tell me them sensi seeds were viable. Total rip off.

i have DP skunk #11 on the grow just now
100% germ of the 5 one didnt grow outta the soil, i broke one when repotting and one just died of natural causes, the other 2 are looking pretty healthy for almost 4 weeks now, i cant wait to smoke it, its my 1st grow
Peace T1

look around, read strain reports. you see results and reports you like give them a try. just remember that different situations, different results. I've seen reports from the same batch of seeds with some people happy and others not.
hard to know too if you get the real deal if you go with questionable or unknown banks, there are scammers out there that will sell you bagseed with a fancy name stuck to it. can't really help there since the one place I used went under.

myself, based on my experiences and much reading would be joey weed, fet (spice brothers), and dman(retired). I've done at least one strain from each and read many good reports on them.

Dutch Passion Strawberry Cough - 100% Gem rate so far for me...

I have always heard DP are pretty good, on the whole..

I suppose it depends on what seeds you're looking for? I decide what I want then go to who ever has it in stock.......Not all seed shops stock what you want. If I dont get a decent result then I wouldn't go back.

Ms Powerband

I think it also depends where you buy seeds from... You may get crap seeds from any breeder, if they have been kept in bad conditions by the shops selling them...

The general consensus seems to be that Sensi have let things slip over the years. Many of their older offerings have been inbred and become weak (compared to how they used to be), whilst their more "recent" offerings seem to get quite good reviews. If you do your homework, you can almost certainly find some worthwhile strains from them, but that goes for everthing else out there as well..

I havn't had a chance to grow out any where near all the strains I've collected, but I've spent 100's of hours reading the online forums (not just this one) over the years, and there are a few breeders that I'd trust more than others:


ACE
Cannabiogen
Chimera
Dman
Dutch Flowers
Luke (Paradise)
Motarebel
Shantibaba (Mr Nice)
Skunkman Sam
Simon (Serious)
Steve (SOL)
TFD
Tom Hill
Reefer Man

I have strains from all of the above breeders, except for ACE, which I never got around to. So far, DF have been the best, out of the few strains I have managed to run sucessfully I'll post a grow/smoke report on their Blowfish here soon! Sadly though, I don't think there is any way to get hold of any of their strains at this time, unless you are very well connected!

ng

I might go with some Mr Nice seeds after these Dutch Passion / Serious Seeds grows

I too am about to try my greenthumb and test it out. I have smoked Skunk#1, and it wiggs me out too much with too much paranoia. I need a much more indica dom strain, and it seems that Sensi has them. Seems that many of the newer companies have tried to breed more sativas into their seeds b/c it's what the true smoker wants. But I need a 75%-100% indica, as they tend to take the edge off my anxiety.

neongreen... which recent Sensi offerings are better? Their website lists "Mother's Finest" as new, but I am not sure what the lineage it is? I have read that their post 2000 NL is not what it used to be, and that it needs a makeover. I have read that if you can get a mid 1990's NL cutting from Sensi that you will be in business. The board's general view of Mr Nice G13xHashplant is not a good one. I think I will want to stay away from the more sativa strains like the NLx Haze, SSH, and Jack Herer. So what are your views on the indica dominant Sensi strains like Black Domina, Big Bud, Afghani#1, Hashplant, Maple Leaf Indica, Hawaiin Indica, Hindu Kush, Super Skunk, and Shiva Skunk? Which ones do you feel still deliver the quality?

I have read that MK Ultra, even though 100% indica, has an "up" high. Are there any other breeders that offer heavy hitting indica's? What about Homegrown's Misty?

If anyone else wants to chime in, please feel free to do so. I am trying to find a good breeder with good indica genetics.

thanks

DarkGreen

Gone right off Nirvana myself, have used them a few times and they were good, specially for a tenner a pack, but the ones I have now are really inconsistent, plants totally different from each other, finishing at different times so I cant flush the tank, very inconsistent plants. One pack of WW I bought was a total loser, really lame plants, so lame I binned em..... Gonna break the bank next time I buy seeds having come to the conclusion that saving money on seeds is a false economy, the leccy costs more than a decent pack, that said I would be furious if a 70 quid pack didnt germ.

All the Nirvana ive used germed really well, never less than 8 out of 10, more often 9 or 10 / 10.

It's seems all a bit of a lottery to me.

DP... was ok.

Sensi... has always been good .... so far. My latest batch (Sensi Skunk & Shiva Skunk) I'll let you know!

Serious Seeds....a bit of a let down actually. Very varied.

Nirvana....hopeless 6ft Cranefly type things which took about 100 days to..erm...sort of finish. God knows their ancestry!

Spice Bro's...Well good. Just sad I can't find any more C99's....my all time fav

Hey DarkGreen,



The ones which I would say are still worth getting are :

Mother's Finest
Black Domina
Jack Hearer
Maple Leaf Indica
Super Skunk (if you don't mind hunting throgh a few packs for a nice mom)
G13xHashplant (hit and miss - as above)
Silver Pearl (heard this is still quite good)
Hindu Kush (probably best for breeding)
Afghani#1 (probably best for breeding?)



Mother's Finest, I think is a Haze cross.. Pretty sure Sensi has kept the exact genetic makeup to themselves.

What ever its make up, I can't remember hearing any bad reports from anyone that grew it out




Black Domina would probabably be the best strain to get from Sensi if you want their strongest Indica.

Big Bud is garbage for most from what I gather. The only good big buds are only available in clone form on the other side of the pond.

Afghani#1 sounds like it's getting a bit too in bred for use as general smoke, but could be good as a breeder I think.

Hashplant got some great reviews in the old days, but its decline in quality over the years has been widely noted. I'd stay well away from this one IMO.

Maple Leaf Indica, from what I've heard, is often overlooked/under-rated and very nice, but has a small yeild. Could be great as breeding stock too. Been on the virge of getting this on a few occasions, but never quite got there in the end

Super Skunk seems to be another of the strains that's been hit by a decline in quality, but I have high hopes that with enough searching a good mom can be found in a few packs.. I had some absolutely killer SS back in the early-mid 90's, so I've clollected 3 packs since 2003, which I'm hoping will do the trick.

Not too sure on the others you listed.. but IIRC, Shiva Skunk is the same as M39, which had quite a rep on the other side of the pond(as high grade comercial with fast turnaround times), but was downgraded once it was duchified I think.





Sounds like you are after a Kush.. I've heard great things about OG Kush, although Iv'e never tried it, it might be worth trying the S1's, but the breeder has too many doubts hanging over him for my liking so I've steered clear so far.

You might have better luck with the Bubba Kush S1 from RMS, which is repackaged stock from the Classic Clone Company. I tried a couple of these beans, but screwd up the environment and got poor results, but there's still a bunch more left to try, and I know that some great plants have been found in these beans.

Deep Chunk from Tom Hill and Taskenti from Cannabiogen might also be worth looking into. I'd also check if Motarebel still has any Kush crosses still available.. for the price they are, and love and care this man puts into his breeding you can't go wrong with anything from him. He breeds for and is a Med patient himself, so anthing from him should be good and strong! I could really use a pack or 3 of his Killa Queen, but, Iv'e promised myself I won't buy any more beans! Better hurry up and get some though, as Mota was busted not too long ago, and his seeds will go quickly..

Sensi Star from Paradise is always getting great reviews, and Endless Sky (Doc Greenthumb) is one you might like to take a look @.. which is about all I can think of for now( from whats available at the mo).

ng

i agree my power plant seeds from nirvana were shit hardly any germed and a couple died but luckily there was 1 in the pack that just happened to be a big bushy monster immune to everything i threw at it and now thats the plant that created my mother ,so it just goes to show you just need that 1 decent plant but next time i think im gonna buy dutch passion seeds if i even bother with seed again that is il lprobably just get cuttings of mates when i fancy something else

neongreen,

What my heart is/was truly set on the Hashplant. I am looking for that super sedative and major league narcotic effect. Is there another company besides Sensi that has Hashplant? I was looking for it's use by itself and breeding. I was planning on using Sag's Slyder as a daddy and crossing it with the following strains below for seed production.

- Sensi's Hashplant and/or G-13/Hashplant
- Maple Leaf Indica
- Black Domina
- Afghani #1
- Afghanica
- other Afghan x Skunk crosses (Mazar, Crit Mass, Devil)
- Hawaiin Indica
- Chronic from Serious
- Big Bud
- AK-47
-White Widow and/or White Rhino
- Romulan

I feel that if I have enough seeds from these crosses, I will eventually find a few good mothers that might be worth keeping for a long time. I am a newbie to all of this...I am trying to find the room to do all of this. I wish I had all the space and cash around to try all of these. What about Dutch Passion's Dreamweaver, as it seems to be indica dom? Also what do you think of Homegrown's Misty?

These are a lot of questions for someone who hasn't even grown yet. It's just I love to learn. I have been getting to much brick weed around here. I guess I need to start constructing a grow cab. Looks like I need to do more research on how abouts to set one up. Thanks neongreen...

later DarkGreen

DarkGreen,

I think you'd be better off getting one of the Hashplants from Reeferman - he has had some quite exotic Hashplants on offer before, but I think right now his "RM's Hashplant" is a cross between Petrolia Headstash (oldskool Affie) and his Lebanese.. which was previously offered in it's pure form, along with Turkish and one other Hashplant which I can't recall now. I'd keep an eye on him and see if he releases them in pure IBL form again.. If you're going to breed, then you need IBL/land race stock for best results.. the best you can lay your hands on!

Also, his Petrolia Headstash (from an old price list):




Other great choices IMHO would be Tom Hill's Deep Chunk (pure IBL affie again!), and his Pine Tar Kush (If you want a truly pure kush).

Or, if you can't get hold of any of those, Bluehemp offers some exotic IBLs, which may be worth checking out. I have a few packs of their Nepali, Lebanese, Dark Kush, and Pakistani, which I haven't had a chance to run yet, and there haven't been any reports on how they perform, except for one (which I think may have been on these forums). So it would be unfair to draw any conclusions on them just yet.

Seedsman(Skunkman Sam) also offers a Hashplant, which seems to be getting good reviews.. though, once again, I've not tried them, so don't take take it as gospel.. and their abilities as far as breeding is concerned certainly haven't been tested (that I know of).

I guess some of Sensi's offerings might breed allot better than they smoke because they are so inbred,
but I'd want to get @ least 3 packs to insure a good plant or two if I was going to breed with them. More would be better of course, but I hear so many mixed reviews on their germ rates, I'd rather not take the risk with more than 2-3 packs.

Anyway, those would be the ones I'd go for (and have done in some cases ).. and if you don't want to end up with useless poly-hybrid "breeding" material, try and stick with the pure IBLs from a trusted breeder, although as I understand it you might still find some nice smoking material along the way, or even get a lucky combination which produces outstanding smoke, but stabilizing something like that could be a nightmare.. take the HDF for example!

I think you have the right idea, trying allot of different crosses to see what works though. As long as you keep all your clones (parent stock) labeled properly, and grow out a couple of rounds of the offspring from each cross, you can soon identify which parents hold potential for breeding.

ng

thanks Neongreen......The ideas are crossin all through my head....It's just a matter of time before I can start.

later
DarkGreen

some of the replys in this thread make me laugh.
are most of you drawing your conclusions about breeders seed stock
from what you read on forums or from growing the strains out?

I think it goes without saying you should take any info on forums like this with a pinch of salt, but in the absence of no info, info from a 2nd hand source can be useful if collected carefully.. but isn't that what we are all doing "reading stuff on a forum" ?

The real trick is to pick out the relevant info from all the BS (which is almost everywhere), and stick with posters who you'd trust not to have an agenda.. which becomes pretty easy if you watch someone for a while.

Also, by listening and talking to the breeders (many of them are visitors to the online forums now days), you can get a good idea about how serious a breeder he is.. is he just doing it for the money, or does he really care about what he's doing. You can make your own mind up from there.

IMHO, in these dark days, growing out strains should be considered a luxury, and any info gleaned even if not 100% trust worthy, treated with due respect (unless it's found to be bad info). I've seen forums with reams of good info disappear all to recently, and suddenly. So yeah, take it with a pinch of salt, but don't dismiss it altogether.. make the most of it while it's here!

ng

neongreen

thanks for the info...I checked out Tom Hill's Deep Chunk, and those seeds go for a hefty price, nearly $1500 for ten seeds. Seems that they are rare and a good breed. Also PTK is also a good breed. I wish those were available at more seedbanks. Will also look into Reeferman's and the other breeders afghans and hashplants too.

thanks DarkGreen

$1500 for 10 seeds?

You gotta be shittin' me troop!

$150 is a lot to pay for seeds never mind $1500!

As regards Sensi Seeds,well I had a chat and a smoke with Ravi last year and asked what was next coming up from Sensi Seeds and Ravi said "there's hundreds of strains out there" meaning we are doing fuck all cos we are getting paunchy.He could'nt tell me of anything new and just understoood that to mean they are resting on their fat laurals.I was quite surprised and not a little disapointed.

He also had a little moan about Shiva and Shanti.One of them was pregnant (dunno which)and he was going on like a concerned brother for a wildchild sister.Welcome to life Ravi.

At those kind of prices, I'd rather get some PTK.

Glad I got my 3 packs when they were still going for under $200 a pack!