I've recently came into possession of a couple of bottles of stuff called Penetrator, produced by a company known as Dutch Master.

I've had a look on the forum here, but can't find very much, and I've had a quick Scroogle, but can only find sites re-writing the advertising blurb, which is the bit I don't understand.

What I'd like to know is, err, what is this stuff, and what does it do?

The blurb on the bottle describes it as a 'wetting & delivery agent'.

Delivery of what?

You sure it's for plants?

The dutch master penetrator is to be used with dutch master maxfx,grow,and flower let me tell you that stuff is the shit!its a foliar nutrient that penetrates the leaves rather than the roots and the bio studies show about 30 times the amount of nut actually getting to the plant.Anyways,i use it and there is no substitute.Huge differences in my plants.you can use it into two weeks of flower.I know from my experience the vegative groth was almost doubled

I still think it's a sex aid

if it's that good and organic i'd like to know more

I use DM Penetrator and I`ve gotta say it works for me.

Its used at a rate of 10ml/l in addition to your normal foliar feed.

Click here for website. Click foliar technologys or something and all the science is there for you to read.

Burnage

sounds like an additive that reduces the surface tension of the droplets in the foliar spray...

...dont really know but i suspect the tried and tested 'drop of washing up liquid technology' will do the same job.

there wetting agent is good, but they have killed more smokers than cannabis ever has. I wouldn't by there products.




for these unsure what i mean. they sold crysanthamum stunting cultards for use on crops. it went under the name of superbud and was directly linked (im told) to many cancers and the product was withdrawn.
do you remember dutch hardbud? all dutch suddenly took on a new appearance when it hit the market some years ago. really hard dence buds were being imported, yet we could never grow something so dence. that was there doing. heavy doses gave people tight chests, but nobody thought anything of it. it also had a distinct taste, but many people just saw it as a dutch taste.

You're a little mixed up but partly right. Cultards aren't substances. 'CULTAR' is a tradename for a product containing a growth regulator called paclobutrazol. The main active ingredient in Superbud was paclobutrazol. Superbud was banned because it wasn't labelled correctly in regards to European regulations or the FDA. An almost identical product replaced Superbud called Phosphoload. Other very similar products exist on the market aswel, such as ROX and Yield Master (Sudden Impact) which contain similar plant growth regulators. All of which are expensive, costing the Cannabis nutrient companies next to nothing to make. You can buy the active ingredient cheaply from Sygenta under the names CULTAR or Bonzi.

"To make 1L of homemade Superbud all you need is 500ml 99% Iso alcohol, 500ml RO water and 0.9g of paclobutrazol. I buy 25 grams of Paclo for $19.50. First add 0.9g of the paclo to the alcohol and shake the shit out of it (it doesn't disolve in water). Then add 500ml of RO water and shake it again and badabing bada boom, you got superbud. Apply at 3ml per L of nutrient solution. Store it at room temp or the paclo will fall out of suspension of the alcohol. So for under 20bux US you can make about 27L of super bud which is about enough to mix up 9000L of nutrient solution. The mix works awsome. It will slow down virtical growth, i'm sure not as good as the superbud or phosphoload does but the mind blowing effects of the mix is the girth and hardness of the buds. The last crop I used it on was easily the hardest nugs I have ever sceen in my life and HEAVY. Half pound bags looked like QP's and thats not an exageration"

We switched from regular organic liquid soap to penetrator a while back, and the plants seem to like the Penetrator much better. Foliar growth is much heavier.

Many thanks for the replies chaps.

I've used it as burnage had suggested , at a rate of 10ml per litre, and I have chosen to mix it with just a few mls of Formulex in with that.

Seems to do the job.

I take that back.

I'm hugely impressed with this stuff.

I'm just wondering how often it would be safe to use something like this?

It seems to be promoting well lush leafy green growth, but I wouldn't want to overdo it.

Ideally, I would wanna spray me plants twice a day if I thought I would get away with it.

(I've never really much been into foliar sprays)

hey buddy i have a bottle and the instructions on the back clearly state that the dose is 20ml per litre of made up solution. any reason your using it at half strength?

is it stupid to use the penetrator with other nutes not made by dm? i'm wondering like a carboload/bud boom plus combo? dumb?pointless?

i might get some and use it with some pond foggers for my next grow(they produce droplets 5 microns in size)

If you mean the 'carboload' product that Advanced Nutrients produce, then yes - I think it would be dumb. The sugars and syrups in the carboload can clog up the stomata and prevent photosynthesis.

Just goes to show ya' it doesn't matter who ya' killed yesterday, as long as you can do sumthin' fer ME today.

I used to use Miracle-Gro, so I know what excessive chemical ferts can do to a plant.

it opens up the stomata of the leaves so whatever other foilar spray u use gets good contact. A great combo is penetrator a little nitrozime and a little greenfuse bloom stimulator. Use half no sodium mineral water and half reg water, your plants will love it mine double in girth in two days. Use sparingly and dont spray flowers. Its a great product

read the bottle DM dont do product info on there bottles

good stuff there foliar range

penetrator 60ml
max fx 60ml
foliar tech gro or flower 60ml


is by far the best foliar cocktail ive used with the only foliar ive used giving instant(hour or two)visual results, leaves pointing upwards, new foliage fast but can be alittle pale maby too much N and generally better looking leves compared to leaves that didnt get sprayed. Needs to be used often atleast every few days in veg.


dutch master go to foliar then choose penetrator for info
http://www.dutchmaster.com.au/index1.html

Most of what you need to know right there

dont do it its not a nute for the roots its a foliar spray.





The madd gardener

"is it stupid to use the penetrator with other nutes not made by dm? i'm wondering like a carboload/bud boom plus combo? dumb?pointless"

Not pointless but i found the whole DM range works alot better than just folia tech by itself.


have a read of link in last post, you'll find there is decent science behind this product and its designed for use with foliar tech (foliar nute) with much smaller salt perticals that can penetrate the leaf surface unlike other nutes. Max fx can be used ontop also to improve flavor and yield by increasing sugar levels.


I had been using a single part grow nute as a foliar before i stumbled accross DM range, i wont be switching back after the fastest veg ive ever had.



As for the recomended dose i didnt even read the bottles but as far as i know its 60ml of each is the recomended dose and what ive been using per litre. If im wrong atleast we know its hard to overdose