Hello A.C.E. seeds

Ive these seeds and was wondering about em!
It's going to be my first grow, starting almost immidiatly.
I guess seeds are from you people, after reading through A.C.E. posts, NepJam and OE especially. What sound people you are, and lucky me .
Anyways any info about seeds, flowering times and any info, and most importantly i was gona grow skunk#1 as iv read 420 that its a good strain for a first grow. Maybe i should save NJxOE?.
Advice would be much appreciated
Sus

is your grow setup first, properly as in needing nothing more apart from plants? if youve got spare cash but id just start them now mate if alls well and dandy . Think, your own decent ganja plants! decent ones too! my first plants were jollyes hemp bait and nirvana skunk #1! wish I was as lucky as you

Hi N30SS.
light pollution 12/12 time. just to sit in there, all dark? n wonder what electric blue flashes were?? no kidding
yes well n truly set up

3) Our best strains for novice indoor growers would be Orient Express and Bangi Haze. Nepalese Jam too.
They are mostly sativa hybrids with powerful highs and great tastes. Each on its way. They are quite easy to grow and have reasonable flowering times and good indoor adaptability.
concentration improving

Good day sustenance!

The cross didnt come directly from us but should be interestring to try. I imagine the person who did it and he used very good parents, specially on the nepalese jam side. The cross of 2 different F1's can produce varied offspring but both strains are good for indoor growers and firsts grows. I'd recommend pop them and see what happens Good luck! dubi

Thanks for reply

Seeds 'popped!'

I've re-posted this topic here as i would much appreciate some growers feedback!

Some pics of my seedlings, looking ill
this was this morning..
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They seem to have rooted quite well and have now been transfered into 3'' grodan rockwool cubes. They were also definately a bit too wet when i transfered them earlier. Thinking as the youngest seedling seems fine and has only shown a minimal root so perhaps it has been let off as no roots in sodden rockwool?
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Desktop fan stopped working last night, and this usually evaporated most of the water within 7 hours leaving rockwool just damp to the touch.
otherwise they were all 2'' beneath flouro, humidity has been around 50% and temps around 26oC both +/- 2 to 3.
Rather pee'd off today and not even a smoke to shut me up.
(head in hands winging rather alot)
All advice as always greatly appreciated.
Sustenance

Hi Dubi,
Guess we might be talking about what I crossed? NJ x OE's. ?

I will grow them out next year and as you know, you will see the results. NJ was a particular favourite of mine. Strong plant. OE was weak in comparisson but a very nice end product. Fine wines etc.......

EmB.

Good day sustenance!

Im glad to hear you have started your first grow.

Your seedlings are showing deficiencies. The cause of the problem is the steril (without nutrients and beneficial bacteria ) where you started them.

Are you planning to grow them in soil or hydro with rockwool?

If you are planning to grow them in soil i'd recommend you plant them as soon as possible in a rich and well aerate soil. Rockwool has no nutrients and a different ph than soil, so youll need to calibrate the water correctly and carefully add some liquid nutrients. It's easier plant them directly in soil and let the nature flow (at least for a first grow).

The conditions of your setup seem to be fine. Maybe a little bit more of humidity (60-70 %) would be beneficial for the vegging stage but temps are correct.

Please, keep us updated and ask us any doubt you could have. Happy start! dubi

Hi EmB

Just makes me wana get these plants sorted proper..

Sustenance

Hi dubi,
Went for hydro.
Difficultes are a plenty.
PH ongoing problem and in my inexperience im unhappy with phospheric acid.
The roots, when i put the 8 plants into the bigger 3'' grodan rockwool cubes, looked healthy to me? then into hydro under MH.. 4 days ago.. Now roots are onto spreader sheet.
annoyed (to keep it polite) i didn't check A.C.E. seeds post earlier than today.
Can i put these larger rockwool cubes with seedlings/plants into soil, Compost?? or whatever is best? could this be done now, at this stage?
Here's them now..

oops!

Hi dubi, much thanks for reply, and sincere apoligies for not replying sooner to this post.
Went for hydro.
Difficultes are a plenty.
PH ongoing problem and in my inexperience im unhappy with phospheric acid.
The roots, when i put the 8 plants into the bigger 3'' grodan rockwool cubes, looked healthy to me? then into hydro under MH.. 4 days ago.. Now roots are onto spreader sheet.
annoyed (to keep it polite) i didn't check A.C.E. seeds post earlier than today.

Is it possible to put these larger rockwool cubes with seedlings/plants into soil, Compost?? or whatever is best? could this be done now, at this stage?
Here's them now..
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PH i have got to below 6, but longer they're left ph goes up which is now 7.4. More phosphoric acid.
temps and humidity are stable as before.
much thanks.
Sustenance

Good day sustenance!

Yes, correct ph for hydro is a little below than 6 and between 6.5-6.8 for soil.

You can re pot your plants to soil from rockwool without any problem (quit carefully the plastic envolope and plant all the base directly to soil without touch the roots). I indeed like to make the clones in rockwool ( it's clean, effective and allows me to root many clones in a small space) but when i start to see strong roots then i plant them in healthy compost.

I'm a bio grower and i'd never recommend a hydro system for a first grow. Hydro systems are good for experienced growers which have a deep knowledge of the plants and the possible problems that could come. It's a good possibility if you have a long indoor experience and if you wanna maximize the yield in an artificial ambient. You'd need more expensive equipments ( good digital PH and EC tools, water bomb, tank ...). Soil needs less attentions and resists better the failures of the grower ( ph and feeding variations, fungus in the root system ...).

After millions of years of evolution, plants root system have developed a symbiosis relationship with many beneficial bacterial to produce important hormones and enzymes which affect positively the growing and quality (taste and aroma) of the finished product. The beneficial bacteria can not live in an artificial aquatic ambient like hydro systems. That's why hydro systems use mainly chemical feeding.

Please, let us know what kind of grow you finally decide to use and we will try to help you for the rest of the grow. dubi

Hi dubi
Thanks again.
The above info i'll print and frame!
I definately want to get my plants into pots,
Feeling this is quite urgent.. (taking time?)
Im going to local hydro shop before they close.. Helpful there. they use 420 but dont want to reveal myself.
If you get to read this reply within the hour, advice on what composts!? ect is needed.
Much thanks
Sustenance

All change certain feelin of Claustrophobia be gone!
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Plagron light mix with perlite
see how this goes

Good day sustenance!

Im glad to see you re pot them to soil. I have been using Plagron composts this season ( Royal Mix and Bat Mix). They work very nice for the first weeks but after 2-3 weeks the plants start to show deficiencies. You' ll need to use liquid fertilizers frequently. I like to add a nice amount of worm casting ( and guano for the flowering ) to the Plagron mixes. Plants truely apreciate it.

Remember to fully water the new soil after re pot. It's very important for the roots.

In the next days your plants should start to get colour. I hope you have a happy week! dubi

Thanks Dubi for another ace reply (outa forum but chems are mixing beatles now!)
Organic.. i'll be very seriously looking into this now.. And a worm farm will be started, as and when i've read and understand the relavent post. Hopefully next year i'll be adding worm castings to some seeds?
Plants are certainly more green and are growing fast, and im guessing i've some deficiencies already, hope not pests?
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Pics are as near actual colour what my camera and me could manage last night.. but will get better!
:nod&smilegif: sustenance

Hi dubi.
Heres another post with some concerns and doubts which your help and hints would be greatly appreciated.
My plants are growing fast!!
The colour of the upper leaves are turning yellow and 1 leaf had turned itself upside down
I lowered the light 2 days ago, and when they were checked yesterday they were looking unhappy. Searched forums here and came up with; the light was to low. 50cm or 20" from plants canopy,
so light was raised instantly, to 95cm/ 37" above canopy. This afternoon plants are looking happier although upper leaves are remaining yellow.
I do understand that if this was the problem, it's going to take a few days to correct itself?
If the light was plants only problem?
monday 2nd Oct, i gave plants some Bio-Bizz Bio-Grow. They got 0.5ml per Litre of water, and were all watered a total of 4 Litres.
Last 3 nights they were watered between 3 and 4 Litres, with 1ml per litre of Bio-Grow.
I've also found by search that plants may have a Magnesium deficiancy?
Was tempted this eve to give them some epsom salts, but i have with-held, as lower leaves are a sign of Mg def.? doubts here also?
8 plants growing fast!! and im knowing that im not going to have room, so am wondering when to sex my plants? ready for eviction of males?
And finally, when roots appear at holes in bottom of pots whether to re-pot in intermediate size pots, im thinking maybe they're in that size pots now? so into large pots? and whether to continue with Plagron light mix or to use another compost richer in nutrients which is what i'm tempted to do.
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temps have been between 23 and 27 and Rh has been between 41 and 59% theres a humidifier going into room tomorrow and i'll see how that effects things?
Apolagies for such a long post, a whole lot has happened in 6 days!
Thanks.. Sustenance

Good day sustenance!

Your plants are looking much better! They are enjoying the change to soil!

How many watts are you using ? I dont think the distance is the problem. 50 cm is a good distance for the lamp if temps and humidity are correct.

It's difficult to tell from here. Maybe the light mix is low in nutrients. Are you watering with ph between 6.5-6.8?

Increase a little the feeding of Bio Grow to 1ml/litre next week. It's a good idea to get a soil mix richer in nutrients for the next steps (add some guano and worm compost).

Now they are starting to grow vigorously. 10-14 days more of vegetative and they should be ready to flower.

Have a nice day! dubi

Hi dubi,
I've thrip problems i believe.. [attachmentid=98822]
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I've been watering with normal tap water, which round here is ph is 7.6 I thought watering into compost sorted the High ph? Should i lower ph, with some vinagar maybe? before bio-grow?

My lamp is 400w MH at the moment.
I think i'll use Bio bizz all mix when i re-pot before flower.
I've definately a space problem..
But this is 1st grow, and very much enjoying the whole learning experience!
Your thoughts again will be much appreciated,
Thanks a lot
sustenance

Hi there,

Bit of advise maybe.

Think that from your last images and from your previous posts I would surmise IMHO that the plants have been over-watered and under fed considering the compost. I use Westland Multi with added JI and at your stage of growth I would rarely add nutes, maybe Grow at about 0.5ml/L depending on strain.
Over watering can cause serious root problems in early growth. Try and acheive a healthy root mass before re-potting. Always err on the dry side rather than the wet side. Lot less problems considering the intrensic characteristics of the plants that we are growing.

Your insects appear to be Fungus Gnats, annoying little buggers, but can easily be eradicated by 25cm layer of sharp sand on top of compost to suffocate the newly spawned and loads of fly tape stuck on to cardboard strips and placed on any free areas at ground level in the grow enviro. Stockings used as filters over your intakes can solve the problem at source. Nice black lace ones.

Hi Embalmer.
I guess you mean 2.5 cm sharp sand.
I'll do this tomorrow, and some fly tape stuck on to cardboard strips, although i've seen nothing moving in grow space since the last post here, when plants got some scotts bug clear, which seemed to sort out what i thought to be thripp.
Thanks a whole lot for advice,
sustenance

2.5cm or 25mm of Sharp Sand is correct. My mistake.

It has worked well , only a couple of these knats found on stiky stuff, and plants are happy.. nice1 Embalmer
was with the little peeps on bikes, along a nice river paths, sand over crossbar!

Enjoy, Have More Fun.

so much more
hang on
this is a serious thread about some serious weed..

I know bud.

Ace have been very good to me, and for my part I have done the best with their products.

They are a hard working, Conciencious group of people who's belief in their products go a lot further than some companies I could mention.

Not many around like them. So says I.

EmB.

I worked out that, dubi is a well respected grower and ACE surely are as you say.. and hey, said seeds were gifted if you like.. and so much respect for dubi's push for me to get into organic, and for you also for your very much needed input for sustenance (never grown nowt before) and patience in this slight rather twisted period in life its 1st grow and truly i am glad doing with ACE seeds, umm those that came via yourself Embalmer

As for my love-er-ly plants see below, excited about switching into flower soon, advice needed!! leaf problem again curling up?? im into forums ina min to search for advice
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Cheers Embalmer and dubi n Arnold Lyne (for that 1st pm) and of coarse 420...
sustenance.. creepin never, just a little this a.m.

Hi Dubi and Embalmer,
Now im thinking about what compost to use for re-pot ready for flowering?
I have BioBizz All-Mix on order! and maybe time to change this if you think that all-mix is inapropriate?
Your views will be greatly appreciated as i prepare, for pots size, growing media and in mind before going into flower.. I have had a look at your Nep jam and Orient Express grow diary Embalmer, but it now starts from the flowering stage of this excellant grow of yours
Thanks alot
sustenance..

Good day!

Thank you very much Embalmer for your great tips!

I hope you are enjoying some tasty and cured Orient Express and Nepalese Jam buds

Sustenance, your plants are looking very healthy and robust. Im glad to see they are growing quite uniform and compact. Good for an indoor grow. They are showing chinese and nepalese growing traits.

The first plants looks like has suffered some kind of overwatering, bad ventilation or some kind of fungus in the soil. Let quite dry the soil before water again the plant. Root system likes cycles of dry stage and then abundant water.

All mix is a very nice compost for flowering. If you can add some guano in polm.

Have a nice weekend! dubi

Hi dubi and sustenance.
I have never used Allmix, prefer cheaper, and IMHO better products. Think some products are over-priced.

Agree with ACE to a certain degree as to your early problems. Get your enviro balanced is all I can say without writing pages and pages of info that you can readily find here.

ACE - The Yunnan strain is very nice. I like a lot. Hope to hear on your latest ventures.

EmB.

Hi dubi and Embalmer, my learning and experiennce is definately now coming from elders s
Thanks as always for your replys
just 1 quick question Embalmer.. is 420's the shopkeeper 420's shopkeeper? as i need to slightly adjust an order i have? 2 envirolites 1red and the other blue, needing to change to 2 blue enviro's, both would be useful for ME! to use in a nicely sized cupboard i will use for future seedlings and cuttings
sustenance

I would suggest that you talked to them directly.

cheers, i'll fone now..

Hi dubi and Embalmer.
I will be re-potting my plants next week, hopefully on Tuesday.
But i'm now wondering? about Moon phases, having read again your piece written in Embalmers diary on nep jam and OE..
I understand only that we have a new Moon here tomorrow, and where Moons is in its cycle, descent or ascent? and could you tell me what that will mean on Tuesday or Wednesday next week? and also if this makes any difference when growing cannabis inside under artificial light?
Again something of great interest for me so much to learn, but good learning. I'll take your advice you gave to another grower previously and get a good agricultural lunar calendar and books of biodynamic ecology in the new year.. meanwhile..
Thanks alot,
sustenance

Hi dubi, Embalmer and anyone who may care to view..
Two of the plants are looking bit ill
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sadly they're looking worse as time goes on, Im guessing/knowing they're wanting a re-pot into bio bizz all mix asap, apon arival.. fingers crossed tomorrow
they were taken out of grow room yesterday pm and theres a lovely smell in other room now as there was when i walked in door,
tomorrow morning i'll be fitting CF onto extractor and checking ducting and alls well with fans.
Re-located ballast out off grow room already, giving much needed space.
400 hps fitted, ready and waiting, also power points are now better located, ready for clone and seedling cupboard
Alls good and ready for flower time 12/12
just these two plants.. telling myself they'll come back.. c'mon!!!
sustenance

I reckon they look like they'll be fine they probably just need a bit of drying out or watering, or maybe they're having a little sleep

mine have done that before and bounced back in a few hours!

Im completly agree Embalmer. You can get better results making your own mix and spend less money. Fertilizer companies usually add too much coco to their mixes. Their mixes are good for the first 2 weeks, but not for a long grow in the same pot. But All mix from Bio Bizz is one of the best commercial mixes (it has some extra worm casting). It's a good option if you want everything ready to re pot.

Yunnan is a great indica domiant strains. Im indeed tasting the first dried chinese buds of the season I specially love the taste and pleasant high of a good chinese.The yield is usually very high for a pure strain although buds are quiteleafy and not excessively dense. That's why we crossed the chinese with the vietnamese black mother. To add flower/leaf ratio, higher mold resistance and denser flowers. I hope we can offer some pure chinese in limited preservationist edition for 2007.

Hi sustenance!

Your plants are growing with good rythm. It's normal they are showing some yellowing signs. The roots have probably eaten all the soil. Today night finishes the descent moon period so I'd recommend you make a re pot today evening. Tomorrow will start the 2 week ascent period which contributes to develop the upper parts of the plant and not the roots.

Good job! dubi

Hi Dubi,
As always many thanks for your replys and encouragement,
These plants were re-potted yesterday Evening! fortunately with a touch of magic
and put into 12/12 here we go!!
I used all-mix and will be shopping 420 for guano as soon as..
You were correct Theory, the two suspect plants have 'bounced back' cheers for your input here and view
At this point im having a slight problem with temps, bit chilly in there, keeping a close eye on enviroment,
which brings me to close this latest.. must work out correct distance from HPS to canopy and also consider
http://www.icount.org.uk/?ref=Greenpeace-crm truly hope this isn't spamming? just a link
And.. 400w HPS ummm carbonfootprint, but i only borrow a car of occasion, and its far from a gas guzzler!!
sustenance

Glad to hear your plants are back on the healthy road to recovery sustenance. They can withstand a fair bit, but not too much.

Love to be one of the first to grow the pure Chinese strains dubi. I loved the taste of the Orient Express.

EmB.

thanks Embalmer
[attachmentid=103450] not sure about pics taken under HPS? will have to work this one out?
[attachmentid=103451] and bit unsure about this?? perhaps this means it's a girl
late for job
sustenance

Good photography!

The top one's new growth is looking very good and healthy, and the pic below it must please you very much; She's definately a girl!

looks like a girl, but it could be thai

She's a beauty



er...?

*GULP*

enough

Second image is deffo female.

coming along nicely cheers Embalmer.
2 biggest are def Females
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Only repotted 6 days ago and allready??

Only repotted 6 days ago and allready??
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Maybe was because re-potted and put into flower late?
Opinions here would be appreciated!
Pot up again so soon
also probs with posting oops..