Hello all.

Im in the planning stages of my first real go at indoor growing. Im just having trouble imagining the highs given by different strains. Looking at your strainlist it looks like you guys specialize in sativas, which is unusual, as most seedbanks seem to concentrate on fast finishing indicas. Im not really that well smoked, ive been to amsterdam but i was cheap when i went, plus i didnt know what to look for in the stones....(i was so stoned from the first joint, but then the rest seemed to just blend into one).

Back home, I could never afford to smoke sativas if i had to buy them, or if i could find them, which i cant. So im forced to grow. Im REALLY sick of the couchlocking, cheap indicas.

It seems like all sativas give an 'up' energetic' high. The only one that really stuck out was "nevilles haze". Its description mentions that it has a 'psychedelic' mildy halucinatory(I guess) high. My question, for those with experience, is this possible?

I dont really want the 'nevilles haze' because i think ive seen it from multiple seedbanks, seems like an old strain that might not be as 'pure' as it once was. And this seed business has some not so good companies that slap a famous name on any seeds and get extra cash from the marketing scam. I dont want to be fooled by a description.

So i came here. Is the description valid? Can a strain really be psychedelic? Do you guys offer any strains that would be comparable? Taste and smell, im sure, would be lovely on any of these sativas.



Well, since i have your attention..... Couple more questions.

Why is that almost all sativas are, with the exception of Durban Poison, not recommended for beginners?

Sativas often are listed as being mold resistant(i think pest resistant too). Height isnt a concern here, so what else is so tricky about Sativas? The long flower time? Are new growers expected to be impatient? Im planning on going with a hydro setup, does that pose any special risks for the sativas?

Also, how do sativas respond to topping? I want to experiment with topping, trellising, and LSTing. I was going to start with topping to trigger side growth then LST it towards a trellis and have it grow along the trellis after that. The strong growth of a sativa would work well with such vigorous training.... i thought. But recently i saw something that said that Sativas dont respond well to topping. That the secondary growths never get much bigger than they normally would. Topping is pretty much my starting point, so if i cant translate its monstrous vertical growth to horizontal, efficiently, i might be forced to just lollipop the tree. Effective technique, but not as involving as what i had in mind, kinda booooring.

So thats about it. Thanks for reading, and i hope you can lend a hand

Is Psychadelic Cannabis a myth? No, just a rarity. I think of some Accapulco I smoked in '70, or some of the Africans I came across around the same time, or the first wave of Nigerian oil in '71. The fact is I have never found anything like these since then. Was it just youthful sensitivity? Don't know, but every so often I either grow womething or smoke something that just begins to remind me, then slips away to the couch.
One day I wanna grow some of the Sats on offer here, see what they do.

I have always struggled to grow pure Sats, but that is because I have so many hybrids going as well. I think they best way is to focus on Sats if that is your bag. Then you can adjust the whole grow to them without freeking your Indies and Hybrids out.

Don't know about the topping issue. I dont top, unless its a mother plant. Just my preference, I find topping gave me overcrowding issues in my small Growtent, and that training worked better for me.
I do believe, however, that some planst do like topping, and that some don't, and that others could not care less. Helpful, innit? Aye, but its called gardening....

Looking forward to the ACE answers, they must have a boat-load of experience/wisdom on this

strains can be psychedelic
the less cbd and cbn in a strain , and the more thc , the bigger the chances are it's a trippy strain.
the high of a strain is determined by de cannabinoids profile.
The amount of indica mixed in a strain usually determines the "couchlockyness".
Nevilles haze is asativa , with some indica growpattern.
Possibly , the influence of indica genetics resulted in mord cbd in the strain , antagonizeing the thc .(cbd enhances the effect of thc.If there's no/ or almost no cdb in a strain , you could say there is no "roof "to the high , meaning that you get higher and higher.
Haze ( in it's original SensiSeedbank form) is such strain , causing massive highs..
mali is an african country , that produces quite halicunogenic weeds..
Thailand and other east asian countries have great trippy sativas too,.

The reason new growers are advised not to grow sativas is this >
They get really high and double/ triple height after going 12/12
It is therefore quite hard to keep the plants at desired height.
sativasdemand a lot of headspace, growrooms for sativas should ideally be at 9 foot high imho.
it is certainly possible to flower sativas in a smaller , lower room , but you'd need a separate veggging room for mothers , and clones.
Experienced growers can tell by lookin at a vegging plant how big it will get in flowering mode.

Someweher i read that its'best to treat sativas slightly different.
Since their oroginal habitat gves 12/12 there is a fat chance that they will not start flowering immediately after introducing to 12/12.Try vegging a pure sativa with 15/9 light , and flowering with 10/14...last week you switch to 8/16.

Due to the fact sativas stretch like mad, they consume a shitload of Nitrogen.
what i 'd do is to give one firm dose of nitrogen 1st day of 12/12, and keep half strength vegging ferts untill 4th week of flowering.Then i'd switch to flowering ferts.


Now i'd top them to try the specific strain , or Bend the whole pland , and tie down the branches.
Cut off lower foliage.

To ensure the trippiest high .. grow with metal halide, or with hps with supplemental UV fixtureres( meant for reptiles)
2 hours of added uv ligh( more is harmfull in indoor grows) will result in a more profound high.

good luck

the way to flower sativas in lower headspace >

make clones, and flower them 2 days after they have established roots.
20 / 25 cutlings per square meter (thats approx 9x9 ft)
this way you will be able to grow single cola buds..
one field of baseballbat sized donkeydick shaped buds is possible this way ( Sog)
lanky and really tall sativas perform great in a scrog
sog is a seao of green= one field of same sized clones flowerd at a really small size
scrog is the same, but with possibly less plants
bed all branches under a betting/screen, so that all the foliage is at same height
you could do this very well, with one plant a lamp
pregrow 1 month with 400 watt , untill 3/4 of the screen is evenly filled,
then flip to flowering mode.
Use 600 watts fist 4 weeks of flowering mode, then combine your 400 / 600 watts together if temps allow it.

good luck

I had some i think Green Dragon ?? Last week just a gram. But i dozed off on the couch and started... Well tripping out. Very strange almost as Euphoric as my first trip. It was so strong, I woke or came round bathed in sweat and head wreaked. It was a real fantastic experience. The sensations of profound awe and self-transcendence that had only lasting positive effects.



sativas i love them.

Hmmm Green Devil perhaps? Tiki seeds? - I hope so cos I just chopped mine yesterday - airbud testers were very buzzy face fit - but these were taken at about week5 - no idea what the finished, cured product will be like! did it have a lemony twist?

I think Green Dragon is a clone only strain?

not sats but sat dom hybrids in here but very informative

'the less cbd and cbn in a strain , and the more thc , the bigger the chances are it's a trippy strain'
thats not true most sativas nearer the equater are high in cbd , haze is also pretty high in cbd and i think recentely people have been pointing out that the trippy quality too weed is attributed too the chemical thcv (cant remember wether i got the spellin o that right) which is very rare and usually found in malawi gold etc
'2 hours of added uv light( more is harmfull in indoor grows) will result in a more profound high.' have u got any more info on that one plz because that interested me , i always thought uv's were a complete no no

Try reading these topics and the reference links in the posts:- link 1. link 2. link 3.

Good evening all!

Welcome Beowulf to our room! I'd try to answer your doubts the best i can.



Sativas can produce very different (even opposite ) experiences, depending on the genetics, how have been grown, the person and the ambient when you smoke them. Some are calm, expansive, psychedelic, energetic, clean, anxious, paranoid, easy laugh, ... some even relax and have a couchlock effect.

There are many variables that affect the final experience so it's hard to find a general answer. The cannabinoid profile (which is genetically determined and less or more expressed by the ambiental conditions) produces the high. Seems that terpenes ( molecules that produces the differernt aromas and tastes in plants) also highly influence in the final experience. So researchers dont fully understand yet how the dozens of different cannabinoids interact between them and with the terpenes to produce a concrete experience ( which should remember is also quite subjective to each person and moment).

Yoda indica gives you very nice comments and growing tips. I also believe that a high THC/low CBD profile (maybe combined with other factors) has a higher change to produce a 'trippy' experience.




Some sativas can produce very psychedelic experiences ( meaning by psychedelic as a distorsion of perception). I have had strong psychedelic with good mexicans, a few africans ( angolese, zamal, congolese ...) and SE asian too ( nams, thais ...).

Our Panama and Congo are good candidates to produce strong psychedelic experiences.





There has been a big lack of breeding with sativas. The dutch industry have only offered a few sativas in the past 2 decades: the old american durban ( sometimes mixed with skunks ) and the haze hybrids ( crossed with skunk too). But there are hundreds of sativas, with different aromas and psychoactivity.

In the 60s and 70s people smoked imported sativas from tropical places like Colombia, Thailand, South India, Africa ... They were all pure sativas. Some of them were very strong and psychedelic sativas, origin of the first breds like haze. This kind of sativas have very long flowering time (4-5 mounths) and need a tropical climate to finish correctly so they were very hard to harvest in most places of North America.

At late 70s and early 80s the prohibition and persecution against growers started to be very strong, so many growers changed the big long flowering outdoor sativas and started to experiment with indica genetics indoors.

In the 80s, Holland had a very tolerant period and there was a 'cannabis explosion'. Many american genetics arrived to Holland and growers and breeders did massive selections. I dont know the reason but most of the old sativa lines were lost during this time and dutch seedbanks bred with mostly indica lines and only a few sativas. Many pure sativa were not preserved and worked for the future.This is maybe the origin of the myth of the 'good easy indica' and 'difficult unreliable sativa'.

Sativas are more vigorous, more pest and mold resistant than indicas. They have a larger branching, they produce a bigger amount of flowers and number of pistils so they are more fertile. They are usually easier to clone and need less feeding than indicas. Sativas react very nice to topping and tie down (specially if you are vegging sativas outdoors for some mounths) while indicas prefer to concentrate the energy in the main stem and main branches.

I like to grow many kind of different strains: sativas and dominants, hybrids and indicas too. And mostly sativa hybrids are the highest yielding plants, both indoors and outdoors. They are not specially harder to grow than mostly indica hybrids.

We at ACE work and preserve with all kind of cannabis we can, but sativas are more numerous and frequent than indicas and that's why they are more important in our work.

We have been working very hard to adapt the pure sativa lines to indoor growing and different temperate climates. We offer vigorous mostly sativa hybrids which are easy to grow in very different ambients. They are high yielding powerful sativas, each one with its own personality, psycho activity and aroma.

I hope it helps. It's great to see the people expressing their opinions and joinning the conversation. dubi

Top post Dubi, thanks.

Thank you all for your replies. I had thought that i replied to this topic earlier, but it seems my reply got lost.

It does seem like the sativas have gotten a bad rap. Fortunately, all its 'downsides', are pretty much exactly what im looking for. Except for the 4-6 months flowering period, which is a little excessive. It wouldnt be so bad if a had a stash to tide me over through that time. So i think the pure strains(if they are even offered anywhere) would not be suitable for a first grow. Perhaps for my 2nd or 3rd attempt, when i have sufficient reserves.

Thank you for your strain recommendations and other insights Dubi. I cant wait till i can get my sweet sativa growroom established. I think the first grow will have one or two light indicas, just so i can keep myself from prematurely harvesting any sativas.