Hi to all you Greenthumbs

Was wondering if anyone could help me. My five Datura seeds just sprouted and was thinking what kind of environment would be best for this interesting plant?
Humidity, sun/shadow, temperature.. anything..

Don't know if a dare take a smoke from those, but ... just gardening..

Herd that it is VERY EASY to grow and it increases it's size very fast growing even out of holes in asphalt. I believe that it's easy to clone.. or am I wrong?

Waiting with great interest, how my project will success..

Datura may grow like that in tropical climes.

In the UK treat it like the tomato plants to which it is related.

Pot it on into larger and larger containers - probably a 3 gallon bucket the first year - though yours are a bit late.

Tuck it up somewhere frost free for the winter - a greenhouse would be fine if you wrap some straw around it.

Personally I prefer the brugmansia - stunning in many ways as an ornamental and one bloom will fragrance a whole house.

I'm having a crap year - none of my datura seeds have germinated

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Thanx pal!!

I was planning to grow those under HID or metal halide bulb when here in Scandinavia nights are getting longer ..bad idea?
Very nice to hear that this gorgeous plant likes same conditions as tomatoes, was not waste of time to grow tomatoes last year.
Truly sad for your bad luck with seeds, hope I won't piss with my project.. just 'a beginner' here
But let's see.... Thanx for advices, let's see what happens here
(waiting for trippy moments with those)

You'd be a lot better off with cannabis or shrooms !

Datura is not something to be trifled-with.

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serioslu dont go smokin datura that is fukd up stuff man, it can kill u or send u 2 hospital at the least

My mate used to grow datura outside with his grass plants, he fed them all the same and do be very careful smoking it, one leaf at a time and stay away from the seeds and seed pod

Whatever you do, DON'T smoke datura.

Erowid

Datura KILLS

"Warning: Datura use has been linked to many deaths, especially at higher dosages. Even very small amounts of plant material can produce extremely strong, unpleasant, and dangerous effects. Doing a web search on Datura will bring up numerous news stories about deaths related to Datura."

I was waiting for Booj to come along.... he'd have a thing or two to say on the subject

B

I think my 'project' will include only gardening..no smoking - too mad stuff for me
but maybe they will grow with my chili plants, only for love to my gardening hobby.


HUGE thanks to all of you from these advices!! I REALLY appreciate your comments!!

- nortti -

Only just seen the thread. I would have a thing or two to say about datura, but since nortti doesn't appear to be planning on ingesting it in any way, just growing ornamentally, I'll save my breath

Hi Boojum!!

I got interested to hear your 'a thing or two to say about Datura'
Maybe it's a bit waste if I just grow the plant.. Interested very much, but a bit careful with it.. Hmm, Hope You could tell us more

Have a Nice Summer Days

- Nortti -

The general gist of what I had to say was don't ingest it, it's seriously toxic, and the high off it is as much like psychosis as hallucination. It's a proper shaman's drug, and one I'd not recommend unless you do a huge amount of background research first. I can't really post more about it or go into detail at the mo cos I'm on limited time in the internet cafe, but personally I'd just grow it ornamentally if I were you. Datura's on my list of 'not worth it' plant hallucinogens, both cos of it's toxicity and it's often unpleasant trip.
There are precautions you can take to limit toxicity (like only ever smoke it and never do so more than once every few months), but in all honesty I'd recommend just avoiding all together, at least until you've done some serious background reading about it. Many plant hallucinogens I'll advise folks interested on safe usage etc, but in the case of datura I reserve the right to just say "avoid, or do your own research." cos it's a plant I don't want to be responsible for anyone else doing, due to both it's extreme (lethal) toxicity, and the potentially unpleasant effects of the trip. Best steer clear unless you're a dedicated shaman looking for spiritual growth (and as I said, in that case do some serious reading about it first).

Hmm. A friend of mine ate seeds (don't know about the amount..) But I've heard some BAD mistakes, nightmarish trips etc..
Maybe some autumn day must be sacrificed to smoke couple of leafs of this DIVINe plant..
Hope I won't end up to psychiatric treatment or grave..
Have to start carefully....

Thanx Boojum.. and happy summer smokes

What Boojum said, with knobs on!
Don't even f'ing think of messing with Datura. Not unless you're tired of life. Come to think of it, don't mess with it especially if you're tired of life.

Datura produces psychotic delirium, not a "trip". I seriously doubt there's many people alive that know how to use it, and if you don't know one of them (believe me - you don't), just forget about it. Forget that Castaneda crap too (sewing up lizards eyes, my arse) while you're at it.

Take datura if you want to be on the evening news:- Streaking down the road naked, brandishing the machinegun you've just wrestled from the anti-terrorist cop guarding Westminster. I've seen it happen. OK, in another country, but same idea. The guy was lucky not to be dispatched by the SWAT teams.

And if you still think it's big and clever, consider this: If you survive, you won't even remember any of it afterwards...

I've taken a lot of psychedellics, knowing little to no fear with the mixes/dosages i've taken (although always being fully informed of the effects i'm likely to encounter, good and bad).

Playing around with the atropine family is just plain silly. Deliriants are not psychedellics. Deliriants are scary mofos who will give to quarter and lack all of the friendly, warm, gentle effects of psychedellics.

I have never heard of a 'good' datura experience. Only interesting ones. I have however heard of more complete disasters than I could recall. Having happily and borderline irresponsibly taken some of the most powerful and intense psychdellics around (DMT and 5MeO-DMT for example) there is no chuffiing way I would eat Datura, Belladonna or any other atropine plant.

I seem kinda patronising and holier than thou in this post, but I think psychoactive plants, herbs and chemicals are a sacred thing and should never be approched with anything other than the deepest understanding and respect.

Hugs and Kisses,
Dave.

this my friend has to say about datura:

First time I used datura I ate 15seeds, just chewed very long in my mouth(what a lovely taste!)
and wash down with water. it didnt work very much, slight drying of mouth and throat and mild psycho-active effects.enjoyed it thou. then i ate about 50-60 seeds NEXT day, and i have to say that was stupid couse alkaloids in datura stay long in body and one pile up couse effects last something(depending on dose) like four days:
[first day] - your pretty fucked up
[second day] - your feeling still strange, and you trip a little especially when smoking
[third day] your not feeling quite normal, but you dont trip much at all
[fourth day] your not feeling totally normal, but you start to get used to that slowly fading delerium.
[fifth day] what was normal hey? u are now perfectly home with last bits of other after effects, delerium totally gone at this point.
[day6] no delerium or any other effect but still a nice afterglow...

That was time-range for those about 15+55seeds i ate.


About a hour after chewing those my mouth was totally 99,99% dry, no water anywhere, my tongue just gluing itself to mouth and teeths and i had to pick it off every now and then with my fingers. I was heading for alocal park and found some friends there that gave me water.

By the way a BIG water bottle is a MUST if your heading out somewhere with no drinkable water near.

Drinking regularly and much water feels very healthy thing to do in middle of worst imaginable(or unimaginable) dehydration and dryness of mouth and it's surroundings. Notably lessens toxity of experience.

At first drinking water didnt help for a long time but luckily from there on i was over getting over the worst part of dehydration. if it had continued so strongly troughout the trip it would have bothered me and made it less euphoric and enjoyable for that was the most hardcore physical side effect. Effect of this plant seemed tocix but not very destructive at that level. and i loved that thou it was a kind of poisoning it felt so totally natural and not at all too strange for brain.

I would not encourage anyone to chew those very poisonous seeds,
but rather make a tea,
for that doesnt so totally dry mouth,
becouse it would go through your belly,
and not ONLY trough those parts of your body that it likes to suck bone dry.

My tongue and mouth and throat were swelling with alkaloids and my mouth was even more dryer than it would have been with that dosage if i had made it a tea.

Wich of course is dangerous couse the trip wasnt even hardcore so i would say eating amounts needed for +40hours trip with (non-escapeable)continuos hardcore visual and auditorial 100% REAL hallucinations are very dangerous to chew in mouth.

Did you know that datura has opposite effect to brain-transmitter acetylcholine than you get off LSD, wich pumps all asetylcholine from reservers to brain and causes over-concetrated thinking and salivation of mouth. Daturas active alkaloids(skolopamine, atropine, hyuscamine) replace acetylcholine in blood and couses dryness of mouth and extremely non-concentrated thinking(delerium).

i really liked effect of this plant, but if your intrested, be very very carefull with dosages for every individual plant has its own alkaloid level so you cant never quite know the exact amount of dosages you take.

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oh i forgot to mention that we smoked some nice bowls of very potent top44buds, some random buds and some average quality soft rocco. cannabis worked nicely(as always) and added more trippy state. walking in the woods and just lying on ground after

That almost reminded like 5-meo-dmt fetal-position tripping.

I ALWAYS use cannabis with psychedelics and also smoke regularly almost every day(thou now like 4 months in a row without a single tolerance-dropping day), usually pretty smokeable quality bar, good buds, maybe even good grass.
Always when possible i sift my own kiff and press it tightly either mrc style cellophane pressure or little spit and much working with fingers for a dark and oily stuff.
Real hash is very lovely, escpecially when combined with psychedelics.
So Datura + Cannabis(+Lying on ground eyes closed)has a littlebit same feeling
as 5-Meo-DMT + Cannabis(+Lying on ground eyes closed). Both also feel like flying or moving.

Walking was a little difficult and retarded.

Dilated pupils gave more light trough, sun schorced us as we walked trough a field, everything looked more happy, shiny and had a new very intresting, kind of adventurous dimension. I must say that trip contributed positively to my (good)mental health. I was happy when i went into it and even happier after.

Plants help us heal our souls.

Hmm..

Haven't heard anything from my friend since a week.. Perhaps in mental hospital.. at least if same kind of use of Datura continues..
But.. My gardening project is near to end, I like those beautys.. but I only enjoy the by gardening!
I've uploaded some pics from my plants, the pots were a bit too small, but still I got beautyful flowers and those balls with spikes. Can someone tell me, when seeds inside these balls are ready to collect?? (Planning same project next spring)
Thanks in advance and hope you enjoy pics of these beautys

Link to pics : http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=66509

- Nortti -