I have heard some folks set their NLxHaze off at 12/12 from word go. I can see the logic, a true sativa would expect 12/12 from the off n'est pas?
So given the pedigree of Caribe - a NLxHaze/Jamaican Sativa (Dribblesome, sounds awesome) - can one grow her in the same manner? Or is this another Ganja myth I have heard?
Just curious...

Not sure about 12/12 from poppin' or seedling.
I'd follow your normal routine seeing there is a touch of NL in the mix.

But here is some related info from Nom de Fluer at the late CW. Written for a flowerer of TFD's Hazemist.

" . . . Sativas need to mature in veg a bit before you flower cuttings(4-6 weeks min),
if you take them to early they can mask their best traits. When your ready
take the smallest clones you can (3-5 inches) and root them @ 14 off/ 10 on
from day one. Untopped, you can expect them to grow from a 5 in clone to a 5
foot finished plant. As far as Time, catalog predictions aside you should scheduale
the flower portion of the grow to go a full 20 weeks indoors, frankly at ten weeks
I wouldn't expect them to be much beyond preflower. @ week 14 if not finished,
reduce the lights to 8 on/ 16 off, then @ week 16 down to 6 on/ 18 off, and
finally, when you think the plant is almost ready, (based on the tricomes first
going milky then becoming clear again before finally turning deep amber) try
turning the lights out completly for the last 48 hours. (between 16-2? weeks)
Sativas never want to veg @ more than 14 on so keep your Sat moms in your
indica flower(12-12) space as opposed to your "normal" 18-6 veg space.
Other than that, give them as many watts/sqf as you can afford 50 W/sqf
would be the min but 75 or 100 will give much better results. . ."

Never tried it myself, but sounds interesting.

The Caribe does sounds fun.

I thought we had an agreement about the use of French, non?

Seriously though, if you are asking about sativas in general, I am sure it's OK, after all, at the Equator they get 12/12 all year round, and Equatorial sativas are not exactly the worst weed around, are they?

If you are asking about Caribe specifically, then I don't know, but like has been said already, I'd bear the NL element in mind.

I have seen two very succesful grows done completely on 12/12 from seed, one was a SSH, the other a C99. Quite surprising to see how well they did, actually.

hello sirs,

presence of Jamaican and of NL on the hybrid influenced them in the leave shape indeed. Selectinons done were more on eliminating most broader leave shapes and/or long flowering ones.

Results here made by customers here defined the hybrid as very nice yielding sativa effect plant, with some persistent mandarine flavouyrs.. Up high indeed. One of my favour flavours and smoke on our lots.

They did so well here against moist as they use to fisnih in October outdoors in Sp. very nice yieldi at the end.

Stay safe
Kaiki

I'm going to go straight to 12/12 on some sativas myself

There is a seed company called Afropips who do a range of very tasty-looking Malawi Gold crosses, as well as other African varieties, pure, and crossed, an of couse Malawi Gold itself... the point being, I've seen them advise straight to 12/12 on their plants...

can't see why not - all the great sativa landraces come from close to the equator, to the best of my knowledge

will have some of this Caribe in time for Christmas I hope - looks truly awesome

Namkha

Afropips has said, to me asking a question, that if you flower the Malawi on 12/12 right away it will end up 4-6 feet plant dependant. If you veg them too long you will get too big of a plant. I believe that Caribe, like the rest of cannabiogen's stock, needs a minimum of 30 days before you can get good results for flowering them, I could guess as to why that is, but I have no first hand knowledge of this plant. If you have questions about it just e-mail them and they will answer, they are extremly helpful people and want to see you grow your plants well. Hope I oculd help,
Sincerely,
Limeygreen

is that a minimum of 30 days veg. you mean?

You are correct, 30 days for veg.

hxxp://www.cannabiogen.com/eng/tienda/semilla/caribe.php

"A first rate backcross (Jamaica x Jamaica/NL5/Haze) between our best female from the Blue Mountains in Jamaica and a champion NL/Haze bring us a great yielding sativa that can be grown indoors. Yield and quality are complemented by its resistancy to plagues, especially those brought about by humid climates.

Time seems to stop as the senses sharpen, this sativa hybrid is a gem sativa lovers love to own.

Shortening the light period incrementally from 12 to 8 hours in the last 2 weeks is best to augment resin production and to avoid typical sativa reflowering.

[b]Vegetative period: Minimum 30 days for high performance. [/b] "

Basically corect when starting from seed. Hybrid is been worked for good yieldingbut when coming from seed, it's better to build up a good structure for flowering. From clones yu can go directly 12/12 since a week or so, when leaves growth started.

Good luck

5/6 seeds germinated 2 were female, here is a few pics of the mother plant from which clones have been taken and are currently in 4 weeks of flower

Leaf structure of the mothewr plant (this mother was the female with slightly thinner leaves more purple stems):
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mother plant:
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a randomly made clone:
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some clones after 4 weeks of flowering:
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This is my current grow in hydro, in which I used clay pebbles in individual pots in what I think is called an "ebb and flow."
The clones were done some in rockwool and some in jiffys. I personally think rockwool cubes are faster, and not susceptible to gnats nests/larvae like the jiffys.

I have to point out that this strain is easy to grow for the first time grower, her resitance to mold (my humidity has easily reached 80% and these pants did not seem to mind the slightest bit, and her resitance to pests is extreme, i currently have many different bugs in my growroom, gnats for sure, and a lot of other types of bugs i havn't bothered identifying and these don't mind at all. (Except those cloning without roots yet in jiffys, , they get eaten alive, !)

A word about my last grow though: grew in coco, i reduced the photoperiod from 12 to 8hrs in the last few weeks as suggested by the cannabiogen description, and in the last week i think the plants suffered from exteme conditions (100% humidity, 40C at times) as they were locked up with the HPS in an attic, which was a bad idea i guess.
It was the biggest yielder of all the sativa in the grow by far, lots of side branching, but the high is somewhat couchlock, even though it starts of for a brief moment with a racing heartbeat and is slightly speedy it quickly turns into a slightly tired knockout high, even though through curing it has improved slightly.
any reasons for this?
Anyway for a proper judgement/conclusion on this strain and smoke report i'll have to wait for the end of my next grow.

sry problem ul, ill post the pics again later

my apologies again, i messed uploading my pics for my first post, i was in a hurry, so here they are:

mother plant:
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a randomly made clone:
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some clones after 4 weeks of flowering:
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If any of you guys want anymore details or grow/smoke report, feel free to ask. However only take the details of the outcome of my grow with a pinch of salt, as I think it would be wrong to fully judge the potential of such a fine herb after the poor conditions of my first grow (i hate that damn coco fibre! I much prefer clay pebbles, much cleaner medium, where root developement is way faster, not so susceptible to bugs nests).

Hi Ganjabrother,

Well its not the effect what I would expect from Caribe, at least the clouchout sense after an initial rush. Having a double jamaican pass in the beginning of its stabilizing proccess shoudnt have produced such effect as its not related to anything in its makeup and never did it before or was never reported about that. But I guess after the rush you have felt the down. Same jamaican is into the Nepal Jam and other hybrids and is been fair to work with it showing always a very nice combination ability.

Hoping from clones and as you say in a little better conditions should make you feel a difference with a nice balanced uplifting effect with strawberry/lavender aromas

best

Ganjabrother temperatures of 40c are conducive to degrading thc very rapidly, this will give a much more mongy effect, try and keep below 30c.

Also for the production of the psychoactive highs that a strain can potentially produce, for it to fulfil its genetic potential you need more than just a hps light, try adding a mh or replacing the hps with a mh during the last 4 week of flowering.

Always wise as usual OT. Thx for coming in.

For some of those reasons I see they haven't get its full potential. If not done untill finish or not matured enough also many sativas dont show their best expressions in type of potency and intensity.

Best

Thx for the advice guys,

I have faith in this strain giving good results.
I have to say, that apart from the cerebral high which was lacking (I am convinced it was because of my grow conditions ie. it aint a problem with your genetics Kaiki),
the dried buds have a really nice fruity smell after curing, and when smoked, a brilliant orangy taste which leaves a nice after taste in the throat. The cured buds are airy, burn well, and are very smooth on the throat/lungs when you smoke them, a delight using the bong. Be warned! to all of those curing, like me in jars, i have found that this sweet smelling herb WILL attract the attention of people around you!
Even though I may have messed up the grow, potency is not a problem with this strain, I smoke weed everyday (nearly always in the bong), and this bud gives me a buzz every time (and it hits quickly).

To get a another opinion on the potency of the smoke, I asked a friend to test a bud from the bong. He said it was the strongest/trippiest he'd smoked, and claims that he was high hours afterwards (he is used to mostly indica dutch imported weed), for him, this herb was holy grail.

The plant i smoked from just before it was harvested:
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One of its buds curing in a jar:
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I also grew the variety High Level (feminised evaseeds), which is supposed to be an almost pure sativa. It may have been slightly more potent, but it was a real knockout high (+ it yielded a lot less), while the caribe had a more subtle element of tiredness. All this to say that, despite my poor conditions in my last grow, I could still observe that the caribe had way more vigourous sativa genetics in it (and the caribe would clone, unlike the other one, where all attempts failed. Is it due to the fact that feminised seeds are naturally poorer in quality?)

I will post a grow/smoke report at the end of this grow, although i cannot judge if it is an excellent yielder, as i have flowered the clones way too early (I'd advise the people who want to grow this strain from clone, to give them a while to veg, after the new growth shows).

Kaiki, you mentioned the stabilising process, over how many generations have you attempted to stabalise the Caribe? how is the current stability? do any particular phenos still stand out?
I am really interested, as I am considering using this strain over a long term, later after I have moved from my current location, as I am really impressed by its ease of growth, vigour and its extreme mold/pests/overwatering resistance.
Also, could you please describe the high I should normally be expecting from the final product.

Ganjabrother

I was trying to find the words to explain its effect but would like to copy/past a report done by another guy short ago. I think is much richer expressed than my own words:

<<Real old school Jamaican creeper weed. You smoke a pipe and quickly feel just a little bit happy and perky, then after about 20 minutes the effect hits gently and progressively. Firstly the top of your head starts to tingle with a lovely pure and positive energy and then gradually it spreads out to your body. You try and do something and you suddenly realize that you are very nicely stoned after all. Puts a contented smile on your face, makes you feel peaceful yet energetic and inspired. Puts you really in tune with feelings and sensations. Happy irie high, easily controlled so you can still be productive doing things. You are not wrecked, just floating on a lovely irie cloud. The high is not excessively potent but perfectly balanced, clean, gentle and extremely enjoyable. No comedown at all, towards the end it just leaves you beautifully relaxed and at peace. Lasts for a good 4 hours from one pipe. Perfect for smoking on a beach, watching a beautiful sunset or gazing at the stars, listening to music and sharing with other people. If you want it to be stronger then just smoke more or make some kif/hash. As kif it has a real kick but doesn't lose any of the nice irie vibe. >>

We are working on F6 as most of our lines run as well but Taskenti being an F9. As other strains in our catalogue we commented several times that we lost some of original parentals back in 2003 due a police raid when starting the company which took us to rework since then again most of the hybrids in our catalogue. Still a little variability here in flavours but they all move on same tones which we appreciate the most and its happy and positive effect smoothly balanced. Pure Jamaican is not a overpowering line by itself but very nice and rich one and have a very optimistic effect and in such direction we worked and reworked Caribe... a day time smoke to enjoy in all senses!

About the other High Level strain you talk, well, its our early version of Leshaze from a clone selected and femminized by these guys as they told me directly and I know them well. They selected the most potent clone they got from our line and made its femminized changing name... yo can read its same original composition, Lesotho x Skunkhaze... criteria used by them was based just on only such raw potency. We like to work other criterias as well as it happens in Caribe or other hybrids and although potency is always on first places of traits to be selected and used, dont use to be our only criteria but we like to enrich hybrids with flavours and aromas and the balance and definition of the effect.

best

Thanks Kaiki, that's more info than i hoped for.

The caribe clones have one more day to flower, then i'll go on holidays for a week in which i'll leave my plants in the dark, so they can use up some of their chlorophyll.

altogether it'll have been 70 days of 12/12, the yield unfortunately will be low, but that's my fault for not vegging the clones long enough, so the plants ended up being too small.
However I can still judge that they have the potential to be high yielding, because my plants, even if small turned out to be columns of buds, with good side branches (more columns of buds that stick out of the sides of the main column, the largest at the bottom, to make possibly a christmass tree like structure), the plants would have been crushed under the weight of their own buds a few weeks ago, had i not tied some of them to chopsitcks.
I often have 80% humdity, and i never had any sign that this plant could possibly mold, and no problem resisting to pests, it's a living flytrap for gnats that get stuck in the extremely airy buds filled with resin.
The plants seem pretty hermie free, if not stressed ( I got some male flowers, but only during lightleaks, tho i'm not sure these would be fertile, cos i have no sign of seeds anywhere).
It has a nice sweet fruity smell during flowering, tho this odour is low, and could not be noticed from a large distance, a handy feature, a change from all these agressive overwhelming skunk smells.

Until approx day 65-67, most of the pistils were starting to mature, but after, the growth rate of calyxes increased exponentially, and now i have a huge growth of new calyxes with white pistils, so much that some of the clone's general appearence is that the white pistils completely masked the maturing ones. Is this what we call reflowering?

also, the older calyxes have, it seems, gone from green, to a slightly darker colour, like a slight shade of purple, in contrast to the new calyxes which are bright green, but it's hard to judge as they are completely coated with frosty resin (i'll post pics later), so i wonder, does the pure jamaican do this?
I can't wait to smoke these awesome airy buds cured

I'll post a grow/smoke report later. For a proper judgement of the high, how long should i wait when curing the caribe in jars ?

ganjabro

As sativish hybrid, they like reflowering... like in waves. They use to be ready at 10-12 weeks to allow them to express well. If too short or too quick harvested, they may not be like they could have been and potency wont be on top of its potencial. They yield well if you allow them to. Very good pest and mold resistance as you say.

They like proper drying and curing indeed and results will improve... always. 1 month of curing after slow drying wont hurt

best

Cimaze