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hydro98
Hi all, i have had anxiety/depression for some years now. I stopped smoking weed about 3 years ago because i was having such bad panic attacks, felt like i was going to die sometimes.

Ive had the odd joint since but not regular, and then about 3 months ago i read a thread on a website about this subject. To my surprise there were many people who had the same panic attacks with weed, thought i was the only one who it affected like that. But i had not had pannic attacks every time i smoked, and some smokes were great and i was fine.

Anyway the thread mentioned that certain strains were known for their anti anxiety high, so over the last 2 months or so i thought i would grow my own.Now i have built a veg room and flower room. the 2 strains i am trying are Sweet tooth#4 and strawberry cough as these were mentioned on that thread i read.

to finish up it would be nice to hear if anyone knows of any other strains that are known for this.

cheers
jon
haverest
mate howdo ... don't know much about depression & anxiety but suffered em both from time to time .. i got me self ear disease backed up with tinitus sad.gif my advise to you would be search all the strain banks and med forums related to ganja and find one with an indica bite ... now i see you got a few strains on the go so experiment with the harvest times and grow nutes ..... make sure you flush your product real good , sometimes ya smoke weed that has been grown using bad chems .... leads to more probs down the track ... for fear of spamming ... your answer lies in the usa and the ability of growin your own meds . good luck mate yinyang.gif

this might get your search started

http://www.compassioncorner.org/forums/index.php
Boojum
I reckon heavy indicas are the one for anti anxiety, or anything not so high on THC but with high CBD levels - I get the fear from certain kinds of weed (mostly commercial 'skunk' cos the commercial holy grail seems to be a nasty in your face hit that IMHO just aint pot) when I'm towards the manic end of my headspace, but heavy indicas are fine, beneficial. Though it's not quite as simple as that, cos non commercial sativas don't necessarily cause anxiety - I smoked ESBxholyweed when I was pretty far to the manic side and there wasn't even a hint of the fear, but I reckon indica is a fair generalisation as to be less likely to promote anxiety.
JoePublic
Hi jjon.Thanks for sharing that. Very interesting boojum, and also this thread in general. I can relate to some of what has been said. Im growing an Indica, and I am hoping your conjecture proves to be correct.
Boojum
Just a wee add on, to clarify cos I'm not sure if I made it too clear in the previous post, when I mean commercial 'skunk' I'm referring to bought bud, not commercial seeds (though I'm not convinced that all commercial seed producers are selecting for the most desirable characteristics). I reckon for me an oft overlooked aspect to the anxiety side of bought weed is the growing conditions, I'm convinced that the use of dodgy growth promoters, nutes and pesticides is far more responsible for the unpleasant effects I often notice from bought weed then the actual strain, so I reckon all home grown is gonna be far less likely to bring on the fear anyway. Once you add selecting an appropriate strain for you to that (which, I guess, is trial and error, and made all the more difficult by the legal situation), you're sorted. Another case where illegality causes unnecessary problems (for me this is the root of the whole cannabis and mental health issue, people smoking the wrong strains, that have been banged full of god-knows-what while growing to make them bigger & stronger, that's a recipe for problems. Know what you're smoking - both the strain and the chemicals used to grow it).
marijuanamat
I've suffered from depression/anxiety for year's now and i've found the chronic to be an ideal anti-anxiety strain if you let it go 60-70 day's .
hydro98
QUOTE(marijuanamat @ Dec 11 2005, 12:13 PM) [snapback]460773[/snapback]

I've suffered from depression/anxiety for year's now and i've found the chronic to be an ideal anti-anxiety strain if you let it go 60-70 day's .



hi, is that the serious seeds chronic ??
b8MAN
I hear Lavender by Soma is a good non-anxiety inducing strain.

Personally, Blueberry did/does wonders for my depression.

But I suspect it's largely a personal thing. A trip to Amsterdam for a few days of sampling might be advised before you invest several months in growing a strain you're unsure of. You might not find an ideal one, but it would be good for identifying ones that disagreed with you.

Good luck

B8
Fishy
I suspect that the chemicals in comercial hydro mess with you.

I have recently come back from a months holiday in the caribbean. Here the weed was all organically grown and i had non of the side effects i get in England. I've only been home a week and have been smoking a strong sativa. It has paranoided me out for the last 2 days and has given me all sorts of very depressed thoughts the morning after.


Percy
I agree with Boojam & Fishy (& others) that commercial bud has an 'edge' to it that domestic small grow weed doesn't.

What are they trying to do? Grow the MOST weed.

What are we trying to do? Grow the BEST weed.

Us & them ... you could write a song about that ...

*i'll get me coat*
HvyFuel
Think I heard someone say 'dump the dealer' around here somewhere.

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Fishy
Chronic - Over the last week i have been consuming Chronic One of the recommended strains above). The grower has used all organic nutrients (biobuzz) and allowed the plants to fully mature (no white hairs) Growth took a total of 68 days.
Indica buzz


I have had great results with this one. I haven't been waking up feeling all grotty, I have not had depressive thoughts and whilst smoking the selfconcious/ paranoia feeling is very low. I've laughed a lot.


Although milder in my opinion this chronic indica is much better and enjoyable than the Sativas i have been smoking.
Boojum
Cool guitar.gif Glad it's helping. Indicas left to be harvested late would get my vote every time.
Church
I just started a grow with 2 indica 'white' strains for my medical purposes... let ya know how I get on in June!
Fishy
White widow - Sativa with a cologne strenght smell, bag covered in crystals.

This weed confirms that Indicas are good for me. This stone was much more 'serious' than the chronic i have. Whilst the weed was strong, laughing was less, inward thoughts and selfconciousness much higher. I had a short fuse the next day and felt grotty.

Bring on the indicas!!!
Less~law
QUOTE(Fishy @ Feb 6 2006, 02:10 PM) [snapback]499800[/snapback]

White widow - Sativa with a cologne strenght smell, bag covered in crystals.

This weed confirms that Indicas are good for me. This stone was much more 'serious' than the chronic i have. Whilst the weed was strong, laughing was less, inward thoughts and selfconciousness much higher. I had a short fuse the next day and felt grotty.

Bring on the indicas!!!



unsure.gif white widows a hybird 50/50 indica ,sativa .... wink.gif

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cmf
I've just ordered some maroc x afghan, let's see how that fairs for anti-anxiety'ness.
Less~law
Oh & IMHO skunk no1 ,been smoking this for around two weeks now(lastest harvest) loverly taste & not paranoia inducing yinyang.gif yahoo.gif yinyang.gif
Fishy
Lawless i can see you are completely right.


The white widow a 50/50. I'd assumed the white widow was a sativa due to it's effect on me.
and The chronic i have is mainly indica

But they are a world apart in both effect and apperance.

The chronic - low odour, bigger fluffier buds.

White widow - Reeks, crystals all over the bag and weed, tighter more compact buds.

MU
i found sheherazade (an afghani from paradise seeds) to be the best anti-anxiety strain so far for me.

its one of the few indicas ive grown that doesnt drag me further down into depression and the stone is extremely calming, "dreamy" and cerebral, unlike many indicas which relax the body but have little effect on the mind.

chronic is also another goodun for anxiety, but i find it rather lacking on the cerebral side and not strong enough for my tastes.

i find white widow to be quite trippy which can fuck with your head and make you more anxious in certain circumstances.

strong sat doms can be hit or miss with me, either inducing further edginess or otoh can be positively uplifting and therapeutic...
cmf
What's a good ant-anxiety daytime smoke, indica's are all good, but you just get too lazy when they're a daytime smoke. I had a blueberry x jack herer cross a while back, the plant died early, so I was smoking leaves.... smoke.gif but it was quite strong, and a brilliant daytime smoke, i actually felt like washing up, and no anxiety, just lovely and happy!

Thing is, that was a personal breeders strain, which i can't get seeds form anymore, so anything similair anyone could recomend?
hydro98
hi all and thanks for so many answers and ideas on this thread, but just to be slightly diverse, which type of nutes if any in your opinion make a difference to the effects of the smoke ?? eg.. organic/non organic/certain brands etc.

my first grow of sweet tooth 4 & strawberry cough are nearly ready for the chop. some lovely fruity smells coming from them and im pretty happy with this first grow despite the odd bananas growing late on. keep in touch...

cheers all

jon wink1.gif
Giz
If u want something organic, cheap and grows quality weed, look no further than biobizz 100% organic wink1.gif

Giz
hydro98
QUOTE(Giz @ Feb 7 2006, 09:29 PM) [snapback]501296[/snapback]

If u want something organic, cheap and grows quality weed, look no further than biobizz 100% organic wink1.gif

Giz


thanks for your reply but does that make any difference to the end product ??
Giz
yes it makes a big diffrence in the end product....

good healthy plant growth

good yields

and a fantastic high smile.gif

and u can't beat it for ease of use reallly, it does what it saids on the tin m8....

Giz

widget
QUOTE(hazylights @ Feb 7 2006, 10:14 PM) [snapback]501353[/snapback]

also, it gives good taste to your weed if dried and cured properly cool.gif

yinyang.gif hazy wink1.gif


Yeah, use organic nutes preferably with organic soil and grow outdoors (nice and natural) and it will taste the dogs danglies. Biobizz I can vouch for.

Also, although I'm not sure, I personally think chemical nutes can make the high more paranoia inducing.
hydro98
QUOTE(widget @ Feb 7 2006, 11:36 PM) [snapback]501407[/snapback]

Also, although I'm not sure, I personally think chemical nutes can make the high more paranoia inducing.



ahh, now thats interesting. im not using organic for this first grow, ive got canna coco a & b nutes in the wilma res and ionics soil nutes in the comp pots.

looks like i need to go organic ???
Skyhigh-64
good thread guitar.gif

Must be different smokes for different folks as Indica's make us paro and we have no probs with the sats. (and Stawberry cough is a Sat-dom) The best low anxiety smoke we've ever had was a thai haze/purple.

Agree totally with the additives, chemical comments etc. IMO - keep it as natural as you can.

yinyang.gif

BTW -Soon giving Sadhu a go (mandela seeds??? dont know anything about them) which is meant to be low-anxiety. Dont know if this is common, but my wife sometimes gets knocked around by some MJ depending on where she is in her cycle (hormones/girly germs) unsure.gif


Fishy
A much better explination than simply celebral high and body stone.

descriptions:

Sativa....high THC and low CBD means a cerebral, soaring type of high that is more energetic when compared to indica.

Indica....higher CBD and lower THC levels than sativa means a pure indica strain will produce a heavier, sleepy type of high with pain killing properties. Yield is usually higher than sativa, and it takes less time to mature.

Which weed is for me???? To learn more google THC CBD CBN. - top of the list
MU
QUOTE(Fishy @ Feb 22 2006, 11:16 AM) [snapback]515355[/snapback]


Which weed is for me???? To learn more google THC CBD CBN. - top of the list



i think thats worth actually including the link - dont think it breaks any site rules and its an interesting article.

in fact, fuck it, i'll save ya'll a click...

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Marijuana
Cannabinoids (THC, CBD, CBN...)

The Active Ingredients Of Cannabis

Cannabis includes marijuana, hashish, and hash oil.

In short, THC gets you stoned, a higher THC content will produce a stronger stone. Without THC you don't get high. CBD increases some of the effects of THC and decreases other effects of THC.

Marijuana or hash that has a high level of both THC and CBD will produce a strong head-stone that feels almost dreamlike. Marijuana that has low levels of THC and high levels of CBD is more of a buzz, the mind feels dull and the body feels tired. High levels of THC and low levels of CBD contribute to a strong, clear headed, more energetic stone.

CBN is produced as THC ages and breaks down, this process is known as oxidization. High levels of CBN tend to make the user feel messed up rather than high. CBN levels can be kept to a minimum by storing cannabis products in a dark, cool, airtight environment. A vacuum packed, light-proof container stored in a frost free freezer is recommended. Marijuana should be dry prior to storage.

THCV is found primarily in strains of African and Asian cannabis. THCV increases the speed and intensity of THC effects, but also causes the stone to end sooner. Weed that smells strong (prior to smoking) might indicate a high level of THCV.

If you are a grower, you can experiment with different strains of cannabis to produce the various qualities you seek. A medical user looking for something with sleep producing or pain killing properties might want to produce a crop that has high levels of CBD.

Another user looking for a more energetic stone will want to grow a strain that has low levels of CBD. In general, cannabis sativa has low levels of CBD and high levels of THC. Cannabis indica has higher amounts of CBD and lower amounts of THC than sativa. See marijuana strains.

For a more scientific description, see below for an excerpt from marijuana growers guide by Mel Frank.

Cannabis is unique in many ways. Of all plants, it is the only genus known to produce chemical substances known as cannabinoids. The cannabinoids are the psychoactive ingredients of marijuana; they are what get you high. By 1974, there were 37 naturally occurring cannabinoids that had been discovered.

Most of the cannabinoids appear in very small amounts (less than .01 percent of total cannabinoids) and are not considered psychoactive, or else not important to the high. Many are simply homologues or analogues (similar structure or function) to the few major cannabinoids which are listed.

There are several numbering systems used for cannabinoids. The system here is based on formal chemical rules for numbering pyran compounds. Another common system is used more by Europeans and is based on a monoterpenoid system which is more useful considering the biogenesis of the compound.

Tetrahydrocannabinol - THC

Delta 9-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-9 THC is the main psychotomimetic (mindbending) ingredient of marijuana. Estimates state that 70 to 100 percent of the marijuana high results from the delta-9 THC present. It occurs in almost all Cannabis in concentration that vary from traces to about 95 percent of all the cannabinoids in the sample.

In very potent varieties, carefully prepared marijuana can be 30 percent delta-9 THC by dry weight or higher (seeds and stems removed from flowering buds). Buds are the popular name given to masses of female flowers that form distinct clusters.

Delta 8-trans-tetrahydrocannabinol - delta-8 THC is reported in low concentration, less than one percent of the delta-9 THC present. Its activity is slightly less than that of delta-9 THC. It may be an artefact of the extraction/analysis process. Almost everyone who uses the term THC, refers to delta-9 THC and delta-8 THC combined, as THC.

Cannabidiol - CBD

Cannabidiol - CBD also occurs in almost all varieties. Concentration range from none, to about 95 percent of the total cannabinoids present. THC and CBD are the two most abundant naturally occurring cannabinoids. CBD is not psychotomimetic in the pure form, although it does have sedative, analgesic, and antibiotic properties.

In order for CBD to affect the high, THC must be present in quantities ordinarily psychoactive. CBD can contribute to the high by interacting with THC to potentiate (enhance) or antagonize (interfere or lessen) certain qualities of the high.

CBD appears to potentiate the depressant effects of THC and antagonize is excitatory effects. CBD also delays the onset of the high but can make it last considerably longer (as much as twice as long). The kind of grass that takes a while to come on but keeps coming on.

Opinions are conflicting as to whether it increases or decreases the intensity of the high, intensity and high being difficult to define. Terms such as knock-out or sleepy, dreamlike, or melancholic are often used to describe the high from grass with sizeable proportions of CBD and THC.

When only small amounts of THC are present with high proportions of CBD, the high is more of a buzz, and the mind feels dull and the body de-energized.

Cannabinol - CBN

Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.

Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.

In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV

Tetrahydrocannabivarin - THCV or THV is the propyl homologue of THC. In the aromatic ring the usual five-carbon pentyl is replaced by a short three-carbon propyl chain. The propyl cannabinoids have so far been found in some varieties originating from Southeast and Central Asia and parts of Africa. What are considered some very potent marijuana varieties contain propyl cannabinoids.

In one study, THCV made up to 48.23 percent (Afghanistan strain) and 53.69 percent (South Africa) of the cannabinoids found. We've seen no reports on its activity in humans. From animal studies it appears to be much faster in onset and quicker to dissipate than THC. It may be the constituent of one or two toke grass, but its activity appears to be somewhat less than that of THC.

Some people use the term THC to refer collectively to delta-9 THC, delta-8 THC, and THCV. An interesting note is that people who have a prescription for Marinol (medical THC) may be tested for THCV. Marinol contains no THCV, if a person tests positive it means they have been using marijuana.

Cannabichromene - CBC

Cannabichromene - CBC is another major cannabinoid, although it is found in smaller concentrations than CBD and THC. It was previously believed that is was a minor constituent, but more exacting analysis showed that the compound often reported as CBD may actually be CBC.

Relative to THC and CBD, its concentration in the plants is low, probably not exceeding 20 percent of total cannabinoids. CBC is believed not to be psychotomimetic in humans; however, its presence in plants is purportedly very potent has led to the suspicion that it may be interacting with THC to enhance the high.

Cannabicyclol (CBL) is a degradative product like CBN. During extraction, light converts CBC to CBL. There are no reports on its activity in humans, and it is found in small amounts, if at all, in fresh plant material.

Cannabinoids And The High

The marijuana high is a complex experience. It involves a wide range of psychical, physical, and emotional responses. The high is a subjective experience based in the individual and one's personality, mood, disposition, and experience with the drug.

Given the person, the intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of THC present in the marijuana. Delta-9 THC is the main ingredient of marijuana and must be present in sufficient quantities for a good marijuana high.

People who smoke grass that has very little cannabinoids other then delta-9 THC usually report that the high is very intense. Most people will feel something from a joint having delta-9 THC of 3 percent concentration to material.

Grass having a THC concentration of 10 percent would be considered very good, and 20 percent or more would be excellent quality by most users standards. In general, we use potency to mean the sum effects of the cannabinoids and the overall high induced.

Marijuana (plant material) is sometimes rated more potent than the content of delta-9 THC alone would suggest. It also elicits qualitatively different highs. The reasons for this have not been sorted out. Few clinical studies with known combinations of several cannabinoids have been undertaken with human subjects.

So far, different highs and possibly higher potency seem to be due to the interaction of delta-9 THC and other cannabinoids (THCV,CBD,CBN, and possibly CBC). Except for THCV, in the pure form, these other cannabinoids do not have much psychoactivity.

Another possibility for higher potency is that homologues of delta-9 THC with longer side chains at C-3 (and higher activity) might be found in certain marijuana varieties. Compounds with longer side chains have been made in laboratories and their activity is sometimes much higher, with estimates over 500 times that of natural delta-9 THC.

The possibility that there are non-cannabinoids that are psychoactive or interacting with the cannabinoids has not been investigated in detail. Non-cannabinoids with biological activity have been isolated from the plants, but only in very small quantities.

None are known to be psychotomimetic. However, they may contribute to the overall experience in non-mental ways, such as the stimulation of the appetite.

Different blends of cannabinoids account for high of different qualities. The intensity of the high depends primarily on the amount of delta-9 THC present and on the method of ingestion. A complex drug such as marijuana affects the mind and body in many ways. Sorting out what accounts for what response can become quite complex.


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Giz
nice read m8 smile.gif

Giz
cmf
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Cannabinol - CBN
Cannabinol - CBN is not produced by the plant per se. It is the degradation (oxidative) product of THC. Fresh samples of marijuana contain very little CBN but curing, poor storage, or processing such as when making hashish, can cause much of the THC to be oxidized to CBN. Pure forms of CBN have at most 10 percent of the psychoactivity of THC.
Like CBD, it is suspected of potentiating certain aspects of the high, although so far these effects appear to be slight. CBN seems to potentiate THC's disorienting qualities. One may feel more dizzy or drugged or generally messed up but not necessarily higher.
In fact, with a high proportion of CBN, the high may start well but feels as if it never quite reaches its peak, and when coming down one feels tired or sleepy. High CBN in homegrown grass is not desirable since it represents a loss of 90 percent of the psychoactivity of its precursor THC.


I wonder if this is one of the factors in commercial dealer weed seeming more anxiety prone? Poor storage and processing?

Also i do wonder how chemical nutes go to affect the production of all these linking cannabiidiols and their balances, i wonder if it can affect the natural balance of a plants production o produce more anxiety producing qualities?
daisy
QUOTE(MU @ Feb 22 2006, 10:42 AM) [snapback]515388[/snapback]

i think thats worth actually including the link - dont think it breaks any site rules and its an interesting article.

in fact, fuck it, i'll save ya'll a click...


wow - I have some serious reading to do...
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what Im after for a daily dose is a good body reaction, pain relief and muscle relaxer without the heady stoned feeling (oh I want it all dont I??)

and then a nice gentle heady one for night time meditation and contemplation..

Fishy
I think you will find an indica will give you the body effect you are looking for. Indica's have more of a sedative effect. An indica (hash is typically made from the indica plant) will wind me down and get me contently fixed to my chair and will often have me saying nothing. (i usually find it hard or boring to sit and do little)

For your creative/contemplative highs look for the sativa influences. I personally like a medium strengh with a euphoric high. chronic is a good example, i find conversation and activity easy with this one.

Here is the tricky part most weed available today is a cross of the two genuses Indica and Sativa and a given strain will often have the characteristics of both or vear one way or the other. I recommend you always ask what type you are consuming and make a note of which you preffer. I have also found 'the good bud guide' by Albie very usefull in my quest for whats right for me as his decriptions of effect and taste are very good.
daisy
I used to be (and by nature, still am quite) erratic, and fidgety... hate being still - and for the most part being still hurts like buggery anyway. Was wondering if the reason why I stuck by the cannabis for so long during my youth was that in a way I was basically calming myself down again, slowing my brain down enough to stop ... I really didnt have the self control and concentration to do meditation and relaxation exercises - but I certainly have memories of long evenings sitting in a rocking chair, some cool tunes ...just 'being'' ...

but eventually the anxiety and panic attacks overwhelmed any positive experience for me.. and now Im left with a slight anxiety about being well stoned again, which is a shame cos to get the best medical effects from the cannabis I think it requires the amount that just takes you to that level..

soapbar f**ked my experince of cannabis, Im slowing retraining myself with good quality herb now..

cmf
i can exactly relate to that daisy. I too feel anxiety (well, more paranoia) about reaching 'that leve' of stonedness. Part of it for me is when i was younger (16/17) we all ate a cake, pretty strong, was only my 2nd time (or so, something like that) and my g/f had a bad reaction, she already had a head ache and it just made it worse, now it was a soap-cake but still. i had ot look after her and it freaked me quite a bit because she got really scared.

After that i had quite a bit of anxiety smoking so i started smoking regularly even though i was getting anxious to get past that stage, by remininding myself it was ok, i got past it, but then the refer madness shit got to me a bit.

Now i'm waiting on my maroc x afghan grow to finish (in about 2 months wink1.gif) to see if it remains.

we'll see
daisy
QUOTE(cmf @ Feb 25 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]518519[/snapback]

i can exactly relate to that daisy. I too feel anxiety (well, more paranoia) about reaching 'that leve' of stonedness. Part of it for me is when i was younger (16/17) we all ate a cake, pretty strong, was only my 2nd time (or so, something like that) and my g/f had a bad reaction, she already had a head ache and it just made it worse, now it was a soap-cake but still. i had ot look after her and it freaked me quite a bit because she got really scared.

After that i had quite a bit of anxiety smoking so i started smoking regularly even though i was getting anxious to get past that stage, by remininding myself it was ok, i got past it, but then the refer madness shit got to me a bit.

Now i'm waiting on my maroc x afghan grow to finish (in about 2 months wink1.gif) to see if it remains.

we'll see

I definitley think its worth keeping on at, to retrain the reactions and make more positive associations with the experience. A few times I had two canna capsules and started feeling it in my head and felt a bit uneasy - but I just cannot get past how fantastic it worked on my knotted up digestive system - I could have just laid there for hours 'watching/feeling' it..

Nowadays I cant handle sitting up watching TV or doing anything when the effects hit, the brightness of colours messes with my eyes too much at the moment, but if I just go lay down and relax properly its not so bad.
cmf
how about adjusting your tv so brightness is dimmed or somehting and watching in the dark, slowly adjusting to it or something? Maybe it'll help, who knows?

But definetly keep at it, like you say it's effects are too fantastic to let silly things like anxiety wink1.gif to get in the way.
daisy
QUOTE(cmf @ Feb 26 2006, 11:06 AM) [snapback]518702[/snapback]

how about adjusting your tv so brightness is dimmed or somehting and watching in the dark, slowly adjusting to it or something? Maybe it'll help, who knows?

But definetly keep at it, like you say it's effects are too fantastic to let silly things like anxiety wink1.gif to get in the way.

...and its that taking control of my life again.

When I quite the soapbar the Fibro kicked in SOO heavy I just wondered if I would ever get my life back - but after a while I kinda started thinking, No F**K This, Im not living like this for the rest of my life - its either Die Here or Get Better... Ive lost count of the times I sat in a restaurant trying to eat a meal and just ending up legging it out the exit for cool air and space. Or bottled even getting to the restaurant cos the fear of it happening again.. Every little tiny baby step of a result and progress is one I celebrated beyond belief, and still do.

Ive defintely learnt alot about myself and how to reassociate positive reactions to situations - how vital it is to have the last emotional reaction to something being a positive one, even if you have to sacrifice a little quantity of experience. Every day and every way I slowly get better and stronger again.

Probably didnt help much that while I was on the ole soapbar my life was a little nuts and not surrounded by the most positive of people much of the time. But hecky thump, thats life .

You n me both, retrain and re-educate our bodies to appreciate the positive effects and leave behind the bollox, eh???
cmf
Definetley, i'm with you on that one.

My 1st step will be next time i get some weed (havn't had any in a good 3 months) i'm going to get really, stoned, fuck it. just let it all in and ride it out from there.

I feel i'm slowly moving into a better place to do that since i've started meditating and yoga. i feel calmer and more centered.

But i just relaised i'm going to have to constantly (for the near future) remind myself what initally brought on the anxiety, otherwise i'll loose sight of it being a silly reason and it'll become normal.

It's all about taking control (and then totally and confidently letting go of the control), and that's my plan wink1.gif
scrogboy39
hi mate trip to the dam try plenty strains relax and take stock of your life yinyang.gif
daisy
QUOTE(cmf @ Feb 26 2006, 12:04 PM) [snapback]518754[/snapback]

Definetley, i'm with you on that one.

My 1st step will be next time i get some weed (havn't had any in a good 3 months) i'm going to get really, stoned, fuck it. just let it all in and ride it out from there.

I feel i'm slowly moving into a better place to do that since i've started meditating and yoga. i feel calmer and more centered.

But i just relaised i'm going to have to constantly (for the near future) remind myself what initally brought on the anxiety, otherwise i'll loose sight of it being a silly reason and it'll become normal.

It's all about taking control (and then totally and confidently letting go of the control), and that's my plan wink1.gif


the very first lesson I learnt in understanding the mechanisms of anxiety was the fear of loss of control. So first step: Lose Control. Let your body understand a loss of control isnt the end of the world...

Second was understanding the chemical fight or flight mechanism and how to break the cycle without flying or fighting. How to chip away at it from as many angles as possible - break the chains.


with you on the yoga and meditation, getting to grips with those without cannabis was a great foundation for reintroducing myself to cannabis and the medical/pain meditation with it is all the more focused for it. As someone else said, you have to practise the calming breathing BEFORE the shit hits the fan.

sounds like you n me both in a similar place... Recently I think Ive been going too soft on myself and this year is gonna be the year of shoving myself a little harder I think - but with Big Dollops of Resting Up in between.

Its only been a recent thing Ive been able to stop, rest and then get back up again, before that the idea of stopping meant the end of the day - I was exhausted before I knew it and just kept pushing myself to the end of all the work and jobs before I allowed myself a break, and then, of course was shattered and couldnt get back up - and then I perputuated the whole cycle.. for me the biggest step was in Stopping.






Fishy
QUOTE(cmf @ Feb 25 2006, 11:41 PM) [snapback]518519[/snapback]


Now i'm waiting on my maroc x afghan grow to finish (in about 2 months wink1.gif





Cfm i reccomend you use organic nutrition for your plants. It has been suggested that chemically fed plants can be more prone to causing anxiety. Chemical weed also makes me feel more Bleary eyed / tired and short tempered in the morning .
cmf
Yep, i'm all organic, not wanting the hassle of chem ferts. Plus organic seem sbetter anyways.
hydro98
hello again

well ive flushed, chopped and dried my first grow of strawberry cough and sweet tooth N4

And i have smoked a bit of both and hears what i think....


both strains are still only just out of drying and still to mature more, but there is imo a differance between them.

the cough was a slightly energetic smoke, making me trot round the house like a goat. a bit racey at times but i didnt freak out.

in all quite good for me.

the sweet tooth was a lot less racey, made me giggle to myself and not on edge at all, not too much couchlock either. went to bed and felt all cosey and had a great sleep.

so its the sweet tooth n4 for me, hope to find out about many more great strains like this.
thanks for all the great input on this thread, i haved learned alot,,,,

cheers everyone and keep posting on these lovely straines

jon

Lizard


I've been battling anxiety and depression for years, I think I've finally nailed the depression I haven't had a black mood in a very long time ( a year or more) , I've felt a bit low at times but that's nowhere near the same thing, it's been a long hard struggle and now it's time to try and deal with the anxiety .


For me the anxiety is more crippling than the depression, depression comes and goes but the anxiety seems to be there all the time, it's made me a virtual prisoner in my own home I honestly only ever leave the house about once a fortnight, if that, if anything it's gotten worse since I stopped drinking, drinking seemed to take the edge off the anxiety ( the old dutch courage so to speak) and also gave me a social outlet - the pub, but of course it aggravated my depression no end and I don't regret giving up alcohol one little bit.


so yeah I've gotta sort this shit out or I'll be old and grey and never have lived , I feel like I'm now well and truely stuck in a rut catch22 stylee .


Still dunno what I'm gonna do about it all, I really only now feel like I have regained the inner strength to face up to it but I know one thing I'm not gonna let it beat me , I've beaten depression, tobacco and alcohol and anxiety is next on the list .


cmf
Wel l the first step is acknowledging it, so your already on your way.

Why not make a deal with yourself you can't have a J in teh morning until you get a newpaper and some milk from the shops every morning. Then you'll be beating the anxiety sober rather than with weed.

Dunno abou you but i hate interacting with people when i'm stoned, so i stay in all day. One thing i plan on doing is when the high is tailing off is to go to the shop, ease myself in, get used to it, normalise it wink1.gif then go out more and more after a smoke. Maybe try something like that aswell?

All that aside, congrats on beating the depresion and i hope things work out for you with the anxiety.

Good luck thumbsup.gif
Less~law
QUOTE(cmf @ Apr 5 2006, 08:48 PM) [snapback]547869[/snapback]

Wel l the first step is acknowledging it, so your already on your way.

Why not make a deal with yourself you can't have a J in teh morning until you get a newpaper and some milk from the shops every morning. Then you'll be beating the anxiety sober rather than with weed.

Dunno abou you but i hate interacting with people when i'm stoned, so i stay in all day. One thing i plan on doing is when the high is tailing off is to go to the shop, ease myself in, get used to it, normalise it wink1.gif then go out more and more after a smoke. Maybe try something like that aswell?

All that aside, congrats on beating the depresion and i hope things work out for you with the anxiety.

Good luck thumbsup.gif

hi mate , i used to get really para going out , interacting (as you say when stoned) but also as you say if you start to do it it does become normal , may feel wired/akward at first but will eventully be the norm smile.gif



i used to stay in after a smoe now i go visiting , shopping collage 1-2 days week , always stoned...takes time but works also imo a nice sat would be better than an indica i find i& have/do sufferm from anxiety & depression
Lizard
QUOTE(cmf @ Apr 5 2006, 08:48 PM) [snapback]547869[/snapback]

Wel l the first step is acknowledging it, so your already on your way.

Why not make a deal with yourself you can't have a J in teh morning until you get a newpaper and some milk from the shops every morning. Then you'll be beating the anxiety sober rather than with weed.

Dunno abou you but i hate interacting with people when i'm stoned, so i stay in all day. One thing i plan on doing is when the high is tailing off is to go to the shop, ease myself in, get used to it, normalise it wink1.gif then go out more and more after a smoke. Maybe try something like that aswell?

All that aside, congrats on beating the depresion and i hope things work out for you with the anxiety.

Good luck thumbsup.gif




yeah the weed doesn't really affect my anxiety all that much, it's something I've lived with to varying degrees for aslong as I can remember. I don't smoke a whole heap of weed anyway because at the moment I'm not actually producing enough to keep me in stock all the time, it's pretty much a case of a couple of weeks on and a couple of weeks off and even when I'm not smoking the anxiety affects me just the same.


I'm gonna try giving my confidence a boost by getting myself fit and healthy again, obviously by sitting around the house all day I'm not getting any exercise at all and that can't be good whichever way you look at it. So now the warm weather is getting here I'm gonna get back into cross country cycling which will get me out of the house and get me fit aswell, I used to be quite into it but stopped when the anxiety started getting bad. I think what I really need to do is meet new people and stuff but I'm not going to be doing that when I'm out on me bike so that'll be the next (and probably most difficult) thing to consider.


hydro98
hi lizard,

have you been to your gp about this ?
i know alot of people dont like taking antianxiety meds but i belive i would not have been able to get back to a reasonably normal life withhout them.

i was off work last year for 6 months with depression/anxiety and have suffered with it most of my life from being a child, had already tried citalopram, fluoxetine(prozac) with not a great success.
but last year i went onto venlafaxine witch has been a real help to me. ive got back to work and as close to normal as ive been in years.

im not saying im totally free of my symptoms but i feel able to carry on and smile and laugh witch i had not been able to do for some time.
there is no magic pill but i think if you find one that suits and helps you, then you can have a good chance of having a near normal life.

be strong my friend.

jon yinyang.gif
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