Morning 420'ers

As ive said i have the borg , well 3 differnt types ive spotted thus far . white fly-defo , spider mite-defo , & some sort of grey-ish fly's

they had 2 dose's of pest off last week 2 good doses folyer feed all over the buds undersides of leaves & tops of leaves...That was that didint see owt for a few days after

Then yesterday i spot the greyish fly again & a tiny bug in the compost

They only thing i can think is there hiding in the grow room...This was my m8s closet 5 weeks ago now its a grow room i didint have any time to clear it properly theres carpet on the floor . Im thinkin maybe there hiding/breeding in the carpet

I was thinking maybe its a good idea today to take the carpet out sweep everywhere & wash the wall/floor cant afford that stuff from the growsshops , yet , is there any household things i can use to serilise my grow room?

then tonight they can have another dose of pest off & hopoefully the little 's will be dead

Erm Help




Lawless

we have pest bombs downunder , clear ya plants out place in room and it dischare ... don't know where to buy in the uk , mmmm , sorry .

i use a wek white oil solution in veg , or a bit of yates success.

seems to work

bleach will kill pests and eggs in your room just dont get it on the plants or pots ...jeyes fluid(garden centre ot hardware store) will strilise all your pots and equipment without harming the plants ...and as for the spider mite there are a few good products (i use mitex) but you need repeat applications and constant watching even afetr you thought they were all gone .........most pests arent a problem but the spiders will need a bit of work.

do a search for spider mite to see wh\at other folks use , theres some good threads on the board

(ff88k this stoopid k/board...i waNT MY OLD ONE BACK ,

Ive had some good results with Spidermite Control this year cos it kills the eggs too.
Sticky yellow traps for the little flies.

fs cheese gona type proper aye wouldnt want the typing police to get on yer back

ive used biobizz buzzoff
natrural predator mites
neem oil
sticky traps

Thanx H , Cf

I was thinking bleach too obviously minus the plants in the grow room

The thing is.... over the last week they've had x2 doses of pest off & yesterday citro fresh ( )

Then it will be pest off again tonight, isnt this aking for bud rot bearing in mind there 43 days into 12/12?

i dont like spraying period if i can get away without it i will

especially in flower

few key rules never bring in plants from other people especially ppl u think u trust

always cover intake with a pair of tights

never bring outdoors plants inside <<<<<<<<indoor to outdoors

always quarantine plants if you are doing so

No mate as long as ya do it at night you should be ok - one of the main things about citrofresh is that it prevents bud rot. that's what i was actually using it for when i bought it - ur using it for a slightly different purpose aren't you?

Cheers Fd , pd

i have cash to go out n buy this stuff but im not going too i spent £50 in our growshop last week ,The pest off is supposed to killalll the lilltle feckers

Im going to blech the place today & give them another dose of pest off tonight , if then in a few days there no improvment ...Then its back to the drawing board in terms of what i should get to kill them


Cant belive how much damage these things cause especily to your pockets

I do every summer and i always get mites.

usually use neem oil as u sed but tried S.C this year.

one more spray of citro and you'll probably be ok Lawless

don't worry too much about it at this stage L, tbh the borg have beaten me on my big grapefruit as I was too slow to react and then I didn't wanna be spraying late into flower.

Trick is to avoid em all together or act immediately on first sign. Preds are good too- again if ya catch it early and use enuff of em.
Yesterday I knocked up some Spidermite Control for some littl plants and I submerged em upside down in it to make sure they were all covered.

Thanx for clearing that up

8pm there getting it



OOOPs

But to my defence i had no choice in the matter me n the missis lost our abode....so they went on the back garden for 2weeks

I will kill them .....There not going to beat me

How can i not worry

One more question if i may : so when i chop these & dry them what happens to the bugs?

Dont like the idea of smoking spider mite's

pop pop pop pop meat flavoured buds gooooooood


they will die when the plants living cells die as they have no fresh growth to feed on sap to suck

PD - do you know if this is deffo true or not?

I read somewhere that if ya hang ya buds upside down, then the mites will run UP the stems away from the buds?


And ya right about those horrible pops!

logical sense isnt it if your plant has no fresh living plant cells they will either die of starvation or find alternative food scources

very true

i wouldn't be concerned about drying mites id be more worried about the sheer scale of masses they can end in, within 1 month your talking millions of a colony

using an effective product helps but i think the key is interruping re-infestation.

my cuttings/mums are at a different location to my flower room and my cuttings box is quite small and easy to disinfect so even if i get spiders i can make sure that next time around i wont be introducing spiders into the flower room on any of my plants,this leaves me with the problem of the infestation on the budding crop.

if i was you lawless i would worry more about your next crop ,think about how you are going to introduce 'clean ' plants and how you are going to disinfect the flower room once your present crop is down ...i dont think you will win a battle against spiders on the buds now its more a case of harm reduction

cf

Hmmm cheers folks

Well i also have a veg room in a complete differnt part of the flat

I know for a fact all my clones & seeds are borg free there all healthy, so as you say its a case of prevention & making sure there dead for my next crop











makes sense
, Thats sorted then

Nice one guys

ohhh feck Lawless mate.....listen to that quote from above,unfortunatley its so true,check out my northern lights grow all lost at 40 days flower,since then the carpet come up and everything was bleached and last grow there was not a mite in sight,with your clones im sure the guy in the canna college told us to make up a week solution of buzzoff at the begining and donk them in,then mist every 3 days in veg as a preventitive...good luck bud.

s.e.t

Hi Lawless,

I've had the borg for a good while now but I think I've finally beaten them by using a sprayer with a long cranked nozzle to get right underneath everything.
I use Buzz off at a rate of 3ml per ltr and what has got them beat (I believe) is spraying them without fail every 4 days through veg for at least two weeks and also spraying the floor of the grow with the stuff.

When drying upside down buds they all run up to the top and start building webs and running along the line as PD says looking for more food so there won't be any borg in your dried bud unless they were already dead when you harvested!!

I once read that they can only travel a metre in their lives but this ain't true as I've seen 'em do more than that!!

I wish you victory in battle!!

Bu.

1 mite becoems 10 ten become 100, 100 becoem 1000, 1000 become 100,000 then they become 1 million then they become more and mroe

the borg clasic ressistance is futile

ill fight thrips to the end


mites ill kill whatever i have in my grow room

Hi Lawless,
i've only had spider mites a couple of times and luckily i managed to catch it both times before it turned into a full blown invasion.
what i found (and you prolly know already) is that i needed to treat the whole life cycle. spraying your plants everyday is useful in getting down their numbers but does nothing to kill the eggs (which will hatch after you stop spraying and bingo you're back where you started) the other disadvantage of spraying for a whole week or so is that after a while the plants leaves get pretty tired and burnt.

a better strategy ( i found) was to spray one day, n give them a good soaking.
then the next day and the day after just spray them with water. (the borg hate damp, humid conditions and spraying water slows down there activityand gives you a chance to fight back, plus you can blast them off with a good jet of water ) then, the next day spray them with pesticide again and keep repeating the same pattern for a couple of weeks or until the eggs that were laid by the feckers you killed last week, hatch.

then blast them as well

that way your leaves get a chance to get over the last dose of pest off before you hit them again, plus the humidity you're creating slows down their munch/ fuck fest.

couple of points though. you need to keep your plants out from under the light while they're wet and let them stand for an hour or so. and dry off your buds by letting a fan waft over them before putting them back under the lights again (hopefully shaking the fuckers off in the process plus below a certain temp they become dormant so the cold air might just slow them up

you say you have more than one kind of parasite, unfortunately i don't know the conditions they thrive in so you need to check you're not killing off one type only to make it comfy for another kind

it might not work for everone but this method has stopped an invasion twice now
remember and spray off your final application of pesticide so as it doesn't affect the flavour of your bud
good luck whatever you choose to do, and kill a few thousand for me

the battle has just began ive just ripped all the carpets up & cardboard underneth bleeched all the walls & celling & floor with about half a bottle of bleach

It looks & smells cleaner , looks bigger too...They will have their next dose of pest off 2nite @8pm lights off...cant belive how much crap these tiny things bring

thanx for all the info people....May the battle commence

Hi Folks,

Spider mites are a real pain and can exist for ages away from plants since they go into a diapausal stage. That's why you can never seem to stop re-infestations from occuring. In large glasshouses they sometime gather in golfball size blobs in the structures waiting for a new crop to be grown.

I know I keep harping on about this SB Plant Invigorator, but you really should give it a go. Regular use and the bugs just never appear. I've stopped all other treatments including biocontrol. A google search should find you the website where it can be ordered.

good as time as any for an update :

After bleeching the entire room & giving them more pest off they seemed to have gone - well thats what i thought

So i went in for a bit earlier seem that all the bugs are brown bread , but when i water i can see white n brown fly's running out of the compost not on the plants...whats that about?

& whats the bestway of exterminating these ?

thanx ppl

Lawless

Just notice a few on mines too! They're coming into the house from the garden and following the light. Probably fungus gnats laying eggs in the soil. Going to get some builder's sand to barricade the surface of me coco. I got sticky traps to catch flying adults already. I guess the hypoaspis wasn't all that effective.

carpets are a no no in a grow room i have allways taken out the carpet n mixed fairy liquid and water with a touch of bleach and cleaned my grow room out evrycorner n crack then went over it with water n detol mixture then allways used lyno or thick plastic sheeting for the floar and evrytime i have used a pot
allways washed and soaked in detol n water mixture for 20 minutes ready for the next grow
but what i have used to kill of pests in the past water n fairy liquid in a squrity bottle n sometimes does the trick i hope its sum help for you

Thanx for all all the reply's people ...



On the contrary PD

This is getting beyond a joke now

I rekon ive conquerd the spider mite's for now prolly taking all the carpets out n bleeching everywhere along with the aid of pest off

But now my compost is infested with flys when i say infested i mean you tap the pots & the little F***ers fly out all from under the top layer of compost

What ive done is sprayed the floor & compost with pest off ( top layer )dont know if your suppost too tho ?


What i wanna know is apart from those sticky trap'show do i kill this vermin ?

Is there owt that will kill them dead & is it ok to spray the compost with pest off?

thanx folks

Lawless

mites can hide in plugs and allsorts

when cleaning you want to take this into account

only takes 1 to live

If you get some sticky traps i find that they work better lay across the top of the pots rather than hung up. Tho i've kinda got use to a few fungus knats hangin' around now, a little bit of wildlife in me indoor garden. Bastards when they fly up ya nose tho!

or nematodes, to kill the gnats

environment permitting soil dwelling beast's to kill beasts

Nah, i like the funky dance they do on the sticky shit.

How much advice do you guy's need! There's [size=7]NO [size=4] quick fix for pests and disease control. Biologicals need careful management, chemicals need H&S care and awareness of long lasting residues on plants protected from UV (which helps to break them down). Having spent a life time working in this field, I can't recommend more strongly the use of safe surfactant based products as a regular weekly treatment. Try it out and see the great results!! There's two I'm aware of on the market at the moment Just Green's Bug Killer and SB Plant Invigorator. The latter product also provides nutrients and can probably be applied as a 'sprench' to compost to treat fungus gnats and shore fly.

Nice one pd muppet bb



Well....


I thought that the whole purpose of this site was for people like myself to gather as much information as possiblie on any growing problems/abnormaliteis that they may have


Although i could be wrong

Ryton organic for preditors.. done over the net .and mailed..will sort your spider mite

And I'm sure they'll be around £20 for a tube. Release them on the plants and wait for the battle to begin... hopefully the predators will stay on the plants, live long enough and reproduce quickly enough to wipe out the prey..... Keep watching and hoping



or..... spend around the same amount for a product that does the job and dilutes down to 500 litres.... that's about 2 years worth of weekly applications and no creepy crawlies ...good or bad!

Did i mention that i only have 9 ish days left till harvest ...

I only got a few, nothing like yours. I blasted the surface with a flame thrower but the plant didn't like it
Got some sand to put on the surface now.

Best of luck on yer harvest.

Best pest controller for mites and fungus knats I have found is cold pressed neem oil with at least 1500ppm active ingredient.
It contains NPK and trace elements.
I use as a root drench in seedling/small clone stage to deal with fungus knats and give a systemic action.
And also as a spray, 3-4 day cycles to get at new hatchings. Use a wetting agent in both cases to give a nice emulsion.
Neem interferes with the mites stomach, shedding and reproductive systems.
The systemic action lasts for about a month; so I only do this once, early in veg.
Peeps have already smade good points about general sanitation and care when introducing 'stock'.

Mites can be depressing and disheartening, but with diligence they can be dealt with.
Good luck.

Forgot to mention in my previous post, I had some bad experience with pest off.
Be careful using this at anything approaching full strength in bloom - I have burnt pistils with this stuff.

If you've got pest problems then phytotoxic damage can be more pronounced with some products. Some products get under the epidermis through the pest damage and kill off plant cells below. It's always advisable to use a new spray on a small area of a plant first, and observe what happens over the next hour or two

hi all iv just got an 100ml bottle of neem oil for a pal im helping out but it dont say what to dilute it to can anyone give me a quick run down on it please thanks leepy