Advanced Nutrients Is Overpriced Hype!
I am totally shocked at the prices these internet marketers charge for their products.

This company sounds like something off a light nite Ron Jeremy informercial selling penis enlargement pills.

Give me a break.
Do you know whats selling their products word of mouth hype.
This is the equivalent to Herbalife with their low quality protein shake that they used to market for a meal replacement.

Yeah it worked, but so will others for substantially less.

Lets say that they do offer products that substantially increase yield.

Do they have an exclusive on the ingredients?
I doubt it.

Oh let me see, they have a super miracle ingredient that no one else has.

This sounds like the copywriter who wrote ads for Cybergenics Bodybuilding System that was wildly popular.

It was absolute shit as I use to with a supplement manufacturers.

These guys are masters at marketing their products with hype.

Save your money & use mycorrhiza.
Cannabis absolutely thrives on mycorrhiza.

What does Advanced Nutients have in common with the following ? car salesmen, IRS agents, hookers, topless dancers, collection agencies & telemarketers.

They all want your money & they are masters at manipulating you out of it.

If I am wrong please prove it, as they completely smell of hype.

If anyone can vouch for their products, please post your comments.

I am willing to bet that the employees or owner from Advanced Nutirients patronizes these cannabis forums to take advantage of trusting growers.

These companies need to back up what they claim.
They have no credibility.

Its like satan quoting scripture to Jesus!

Please list organic grow additives, fertilizers or whatever that will do the same thing as Advanced Nutrients products for substantially lesser price.


Advanced Nutrients will just grab your money.
Please correct me if I am wrong, but they appear to be only snake oil salesman.


Last edited by ascendedmind on April 14th, 2005 at 05:52 PM

hello m8 is this opinion based on personal experience or just personal opinion?

the only thing wrong with their product range is that they have so many products,saying that if you were a company making neuts and addertives for cannabis specific plants you would want all products coverd.just because you wouldnt buy a specific bottle of x dosent mean no one else will buy it.

in my personal experience i used their sensi grow and bloom 2 part(same price as canna)
budblood(8 quid)big bud(13 quid and it was cheaper than the product they ripped)sensizym(same price as cannazym but with loads more beneficials)overdrive(same price as pk 13-14)and final phase(about 9 quid).for me the neuts performed well and in my eyes out performed my canna runs,but i never doubled my yield there was a slight increase but overall the plants were more healthy looking and bud low down were not airy buds but nice solid golf balls(coz i grow 4ft trees).

so the question is when i was using canna,say for example i was spending 50 quid on the neuts and addertives and when i used advanced say i spent 80 quid coz thier 3 extra products more than the canna run's was this 30 quid well spent hell yeah.the extra 30 was recoup first time just with the slightly increased yield and i still had enough for 2 more runs.the only thing i needed to get more of was the sensizym and even this was coverd from the extra yield.

why dont you go over to the advanced neuts forums and see whats what for yourself where you can see and speak with bods showing their grow just like on this forum.

I would like to know if anyone knows where in scotland I can buy it I know ikon has it but added post will take me to the stuff being over priced. I hang on canadian sights and there are plenty of people there that are using it and swear by it . in this if I can get up to 1 gram per watt in soiless mix WHO whould say NO!
I spend more on biobizz full line with all mix being £ 15 to 18 a bag so thats £60.00 then 12 for each faze of nuts give or take a quid or two I can go back to peat and pearlight and get the whole line of advanced nuts and save money damm so the question is where??? stanky yank

hey stankey i dont know any places in scottland that stock-em.

pm me and i'll give you a link to a shop that does the full range and will post to you.peace

Totally agree.!!!!

You seen the new video Advanced Nutrients did?

It was in their newsletter, here's a link -

[SPAM]


If they're just nothing but "overpriced hype" why would Big Mike be so confident that no one can beat him? Hype doesn't make a man put his reputation, his company's reputation, and a million bucks on the line.

I've used Advanced Nutrients and I have to say his faith is well-placed. I don't think anyone can beat him.

Good on ya mate but i think its overpriced, well marketed, and most of all unnecessary

But it dont arf catch some folks and makes them cough up a fortune for the whole range

I bet "Big Mike" has a bigger wallet

Owd

Totally agree with OWd.

Used their BugBud, Carboload, Overdrive and Vodoo juice....not impressed to say the least, plus do you really need 20+ bottles of nutes to grow a plant?

Im going back to grow, bloom and a boost...simples!

CLV

I reckon I can beat AN results using the lucas formula.


Assuming a sog with no veg time It costs about £140 in leccy to do 8 weeks of 12/12 with 2 x 600w plus £40 for 2 new Grolux bulbs plus say £40 for the nutes and pH up.

Total is £220 and it can't be said that a gram a watt isn't possible because it's been done loads of times with the lucas formula. So 42oz at a cost of £5.24 per ounce.

Big Mike can deduct from the £220 whatever he is pushing onto growers and then spend what's left on bulbs and leccy. No fucking way is he going to get 42oz and stay on budget so it actually costs more per ounce to use AN products.

Never used advanced nutes, i don't really do chem ferts...BUT they're carboload is fucking molasses!!!!!!!
£10 for a litre of blackstrap molasses!!!!!!!!!
that stuff gets used in animal feed its that cheap!
I got a 250ml jar of organic blackstrap molasses for just over a quid...
that alone makes me suspiscious of the company
Although I do have friends who swear by it
I'm much more of a fan of organic compost teas mainly because its soo cheap
I'm thinking of transferring over to biobizz fishmix because Arnold Layne and a few others reckon its great for veg as wel as bloom, so thats pretty cheap at £10 for 1l for a complete veg & bloom one part nute, organic to boot!


fucking molasses for a tenner...

I don't know why they edited the link out of my previous post... it was just a link to the video I was talking about. Anyway, if you want to see it all you gotta do is do a search for "growers underground kicked" and the video will be at the top of the results.

It's not spam or anything.



Nope, and none of the feeding schedules in their calculator suggest using that many so you must be talking about an overzealous hydro shopkeeper. Those guys will follow you around with their hand in your wallet. Well some of them at least.

Before you complain about the complexity of AN's line check out the new "Bigger Yields" system they're putting out. That's caveman easy.



Simple is good. I like to tweak so every time I decide I'm going to do that next grow I start out that way and then keep saying, "Okay, well a little Bud Blood... maybe a little carboload... a little voodoo juice..." and I end up running pretty near a full line anyway. I get bigger and better bud so I can't complain.



You know the Lucas formula works with Advanced Nutrients too, right? The Lucas formula isn't a nutrient line, it's just a mixing ratio for a 3-part base nutrient system and AN's fits that formula just as well as GH's does. (Better imho because it's better chelated and such.)



I heard rumors about Big Mike growing colas the size of footballs so I wouldn't be so quick to be sure what he could or couldn't do. I can't say if any of it's true, but the man was a hard-core grower long before he started Advanced Nutrients.



Yeah, yeah, the 3LB have been reprinting and reprinting that article over and over. Doesn't make it true.

Carboload is molasses in the same way that a hamburger is a cow. Even if molasses is an ingredient (which I don't think it even is) there's a hell of a lot that also goes into it and is done to it before it becomes Carboload.

Anyone who's ever actually SEEN Carboload doesn't claim that it's the same thing as molasses.

EDIT: Geez, I just realized sound like a freakin commercial or something.

i use sensi grow and bloom , bigbud , pk9/18 and overdrive

these are the best nutes ive esed in a good while ,plants are always happy and lovly green and yields are good to . i will be sticking with AN for the foreseeable

I heard rumors about Big Mike growing colas the size of footballs so I wouldn't be so quick to be sure what he could or couldn't do.

I've no doubt that he knows how to grow. I've followed a lot of tree grows but yield in relation to watts used is good but not world beating. krusty would average a gram per watt and it was getting a kilo from each plant that was impressive. He used GH 3 part and followed the directions on the label for dosage. If nutes made that big a difference to yield you'd think that GH Flora series would be flying off the shelves...hey you can get one kilo plants with this stuff...

Even less sexy than GH is Ionic but Heath Robinson has done a huge tree using just Ionic in his modified waterfarm. Over 30oz iirc. Once again, no stampede to buy Ionic.

Out comes a company with wild claims and their product flies off the shelf. I wish I still had the AN blurb they first published. One detail I do remember is that, according to AN, using Grotek nutes increased the CBN by a factor of over 4. Now if that were anywhere near true, do you not think that a few growers would have noticed and talked about it on the net?

Hey man, what's best party killer strain?

Anything you like dude, just use Grotek nutes.

knowboddy = big mike

i think carbo load is graet ,i done organic grow with just bio bizz grow and bloom abd blackstrap,oldtimers schedule got great results,mate gave me a load of advanced produsts saying he didnt get on with them , next crop yeild was up 20%,used carbo load and super b.
there root stufff are over priced and can sorced elseware
bigbud when in hydro and organic just burnt everything
but swear on me life there carbo load works for me

I use Fytocell as a medium with passive hydro because it gave a night and day improvement in early growth for me over perlite. There is no 'proof' that it will be an improvement over your perlite grow, although it might, it just happens to work best for my growing style. If perlite gave better results if I fed/watered the young plants say 4 times a day, well it's still Fytocell for me because making the trip to the cellar once a night is enough for me. Maybe I could automate something...but I'll be spending the rest of my life on something that might well be not very important.

If AN carboload or whatever fills in a few gaps in your grow style then great, whatever works is the way to go.

What I think companies like AN and Dutch Masters etc. do is farm human nature. We all know the story of the first instant cake mix, it didn't do well until they degraded the product and sold it 'Ready to cook, just add an egg'. An alcohol free antiseptic cream was invented but didn't sell because without the sting from the alcohol, it didn't feel like it was working.

Consider this snake oil I am about to offer you:

It has an exceedingly short shelf life. Once opened it's good for a week only. What you do is mix it into the water you use to start your seeds. If your seeds do not sprout and grow healthy after using this product, then they were dead to start with.

With fresh seeds you get 100% germination and no runts. Is that worth £15 to you? Do 5 seeds, 50 seeds or 500 seeds, they will all germinate and be healthy.

Good product huh? That one is gonna fly off the shelves.

When I post showing how to guarantee germination under an hid there is bugger all interest even though it costs just £11.50 in leccy to have a 600w run 24/7 for a week. You can guarantee germination of 500 seeds under that light, the climate is perfect for them.


We have an imperfect attitude to growing cannabis and those that understand human nature make money from us as easy as shooting fish in a barrel.

Maybe I'm missing something here but isn't advanced nutes full of nasty shit?

You're missing something.

AN makes a bunch of stuff. There probably isn't a single ingredient common to them all.

They've even got a bunch of 100% organic nutes, so unless you're saying that organic is "nasty shit" there's not gonna be any bad stuff in those.

It sounds to me like this is just one of those rumors. A friend of a friend said there was "bad stuff" in this or that. "Oh really?" you ask. Then you tell your friend that this other guy told you this, and he tells someone and so on.

It never had to be true to begin with, but the rumor spreads regardless.


Unless, of course, you've got something more than "what you heard" to say this is true.

just got given some jump start havent used it yet
has any1 used it is it any good?

here is some good organic alternatives to advanced nutes bat guano fish blood and bone bone meal dried blood pelleted chiken manure rock phosphate
wood ash use ro water to prevent nasties in the water killing of your micro heard
but there is one product from addvaced nutes i would use is pirana powder as it full of tricoderma and mychorizal fungi thathelp break down the nutrients
another great thing to add to soil is worm castings as long as they are fresh
and another is some humic and fulvic acid

I have. There's nothing wrong with it, it's definitely good stuff, but to be completely honest I just use Juicy Roots to get things started and then Voodoo Juice as my rooting booster. Jump Start can add some more mass to that, but I've already got root balls that looks like Phil Spector's wig. I don't feel the need to go any further.

stinging nettles have 40 trace elements for free. i paid £8 for a compost maker, i recompost my soil. rockdust is slow release, only needs to be used every 5 years. organics improve the soil, so i got to thinking why throw away improved soil.

So your telling me that many of their products don't contain shitloads of chemicals and that these chemicals are so harsh you don't need another product they sell to properly flush them? Is that what your telling me?

should maybe say here that they gots aspartame listed in their ingredients on there sweetleaf product which has now been replace with bud candy..

sweet leaf was marketed as an organic flower booster its got a load of decent stuff in it but it does have a handfull of random chemicals like aspartame in it

Im always suspicious of companies that use silly advertising to sell stuff & daft looking packaging but it was cheap

smoking some cheese that it was used on and its fine it has similar effects as boost does from Canna was just way cheaper @ the time..

I used sensi grow & bloom before a few years ago & it was fine & also cheap went onto vitalink as its what everyone I knew used then they changed the mix tha bastards so I am about to try the new feed from Plant Magic Ill be running it in a NFT system and a few bubblers will document how it goes..

when it comes to hydro feed I just use anything thats cheap/on special its all the same some are slightly better than others but they vary if you dont buy nutrients often..

Stinging nettles make a good compost, no doubts there. I just wouldn't suggest making or using it indoors. Nothing, and I mean nothing stinks like that stuff.




Chemicals is a buzz word, it's got a lot of emotive punch behind it so it's useful if you want to get people riled up. The simple fact is that the term "chemical salt" just means that didn't some out of something's butt. It's not like it's some big complicated molecule, it's just a simple ionic salt.

You have to flush them because you can apply them in concentrations beyond what's easily found in nature, which grows plants bigger and faster but also allows them to store up more of those nutrients than they could otherwise. That makes the smoke harsh if you don't wash it out.


It's not some big sinister conspiracy or anything, though it's definitely more fun to look at it that way.

pee = good nutes

Sorry - computer crashed in the middle of my last post. Doh!

Hey Ascended Mind –

I have to say there is one weakness in your argument – the idea that AN isn’t offering anything that anyone else doesn’t already offer.

Well, duh.

Everyone offers the same nutes, but they have different formulations. That’s why some work and some do not work…as well.

Let’s face it, everyone has their own ideas about how much N-P-K to use. But to say that AN is copying off everyone else, like you seem to be saying, seems a little inaccurate.

IMHO….

Peace!

He has a bloody massive mansion type house, which speaks for it's self Seen it on one of his secret videos which was about the other big firms bullying him and his plan of action.

Peace,
GG