Hi Guys and Gals

I know to get a true 100% verdict on a strain you would have to grow out 1000's of seeds off the same batch , so maybe this is just a daft post to begin with .

But , I am wondering what kind of results the other growers have had with this , I have spoken to a couple of you and know I'm not alone in having suspicions about this strain . Surely we can't all have light leaks ect , and theres only so much you can put down to luck .

out of 13 seeds that germed (no fault on the germ rate 100%) , I killed 3 with noobyness before they got to the seedling stage (1 I never planted deep enough , 1 I over watered , 1 I underwatered ) ((knowing my luck these were fems)) , from the 10 surviving plants 6 males (one of the males was a runt plant , and had a second deformed growing tip (I cant rem the techie term) , 4 fems .....

Outta the 4 fems , they all looked well , grew like angels , then 1 @ week 5 and 1 deffo and 1 im still uncertain during week 6 went to bangkok .

so outta 10 ... 6 male ... 3 hermie ... and a fem

Hopefully Soon

gutted for you bud 1/13 aint so good,puts me off starting from seed! hope the remaining female gives you a decent harvest mate,and fingers crossed for ya next time around! s/e toker!

well HS my friend, that much have been 'shit'

but perserverance is key to this game, ask Gizmo

i hope the clones do okay tho bud

still be funny if EO was right about the power LED tho

peace
chop

7 seeds, 4 males & 2 miriams, 1 is in 12/12 as we type, keeping a close eye on her though ..............

RAZ

I have one, about two weeks into flower. I'll keep you posted.

i dont like to make a fuss, but....

so far from 9 seeds grown out:

7 males...

2 hermies(showed around 3-4weeks)!


from the last 4 seeds germed nearly a month ago:

2 never came up...

1 looks too slow to do owt..

& one has tri nodes.

edit to add: should also mention one male seedling grew out a funnel shaped leaf which withered and died, leaving the plant resembling a plant topped at the 2nd node.


current seedling w/tri nodes:

Planted nine seeds. Day 7 in to flowering and I have just removed 6 males. 3 currently look female with lots of white pistels starting to shoot.

You have got me all worried now.

HS thats real bad luck, I feel for you.

Yikes. Thats a shame Hopefully soon. I didnt realise you had that happen. thought it was all going hunky dory. will have to reread your grow diary again.

GD was gonna be my next big project. Keep posting guys so I can make a decision on this. Perhaps its worth it if you can get one decent fem to clone off though.
Just a question here. In a strain thats likely to go hermie and you find a female that looks stable, will the clones be stable too?

quite a pattern arising innit with the gd thank feck i didint waste time of money on em

Only 4 seeds germinated so far with GD.

One failed to sprout, 2 males and a female out of them so far. Hope my female doesn't turn hermie !

- Kafka

hmmmmmm

"The pure G13 was obtained through the remarkable cannabis sex-reversal work
being pioneered in Holland and Canada right now, in particular by a Canadian
breeder Stonpony, who successfully reversed and seeded the legendary "Airborne"
clone of G13, creating viable female seeds which are exact genetic replicas
of the original clone"

Just a thought this, but maybe you are all getting hermies because of this sex-reversal work done on the G13 clone.

As far as i understand G13 is a super potent "Hemp" plant, Hemp is usually very low in THC,and is a well known hermie trait plant, around 50% of the offspring turn out hermie.

If G13 is really from a chemically treated hemp plant. then its obvious that you might/could get throwbacks in seed form that hermie at some point in there lives.

Im not a fan of this sex-reversal work or femed seeds.

Anyways i have just soaked some of these...

"The first release, in 2002, of General's Daughter was a cross of a '97

vintage G13 x Northern Lights bred by the California breeder NCGA,

and a '99 vintage Cinderella 99, which is a Jack Herer hybrid stabilized
by another American breeder, Soul."

So i will keep you all informed on the turn out, and if i dont get any hermies then maybe im right.

Soaked 12 "orginal" GD beans 48 hours ago, 4 have cracked allready and these seeds are a few years old!

Bom!

ive smoked gd and organic gd and its by far the most potent bud id more say an avg middle........dont fly off one one ppl cuase am no finished....... but the actual type of buzz and flavour are brilliant.

but bollocks no pun attended to having ratios like these

FDM popped in to have a swatch ?


grim guys i feel for ya

Check this thread:
https://cannabisworld.org/vbportal/forums/s...?threadid=54262

It doesn't sound like decent breeding material to me.
At least NCGAs G cut was well tested,even if it did contain NL.

Shame,the 2002 vintage sounded killer.

I wouldn't have thought that breeders are able to do anything about male / female ratio's as it's all down to chance.

- Kafka

I had 2 hermies and 3 males out of 5. Have 2 2 more seeds in now. Thank god I have the Chronic.

kafka the natural balance of a plants genes always will give a ration better than 1 fem outta 10 seeds know wot i mean

and even about the ratios m8 still doesnt change the fact they hermie at a highly scary rate

by far am i slurring fdms seeds as i grow fdm seeds myself and i have no complaint apart from the gd seems a tad unstable from the word round the cmapfire anayways


ahh nice gd nice fem gd ahhhh lorvelly ....BOOOOOOOOOO gd hermies bout the just o it

Hmmmmm

Intresting read GLS , thank you .

Hopefully Soon

Aye agreed PD ratios should be better than 10%.

Really interesting read GLS

- Kafka

Even more intresting......

I wonder what work was done to the S1 G13 and the F1 Cindy to allow them to produce an F1 Generals Daughter?
Moreover I wonder how much testing has been done with this new"vintage"prior to release,and more importantly what the results were?

Also I realise I'm a new member and this is a rather tricky thread(as nobody likes to call into question somebody elses work)but ultimately I paid for the product and want to know whether they're worth growing.If they're not,I don't want a replacement but I need to know as I also recommended these beans to others.

It would be very helpful if Baudelaire would reply.No hard feelings either way.
Thanks and great site.
GLS.

Hi GLS,

Interesting link - just a couple of points - C99 isn't an F1, as you state, it's a cubed backcross to an exceptional sport, and could be considered true breeding. So the new Gd could be considered an F1, by the fuzzy logic of the cannabusiness.

The thing that worried me was the expression "exact genetic replicas
of the original clone" which makes no sense to me at all, unless the original clone is a Homozygot, which is unlikely.

If the G clone is a Heterozygot, then the offspring will follow mendal rations - 1:2:1 - as sexual differentiation is still occuring albeit in a very limited pool of genes.


Still, what do I know.

GD were out of stock for a long time while Baudelaire created and tested the new version, the fact he released them , and on past performance of all the fdm range, didn't lead me to question their quality this time



the threads not tricky at all
and intersestingly, out of all the packs sold, the only evidence of a 'bad batch' is from a handfull of people in this thread
Others have grown them out from the same batch without having similar problems



He hasn't looked in for ages, but I'm sure when he does he will be most interested in what you have to say

Thanks for that Joolz,your word is good enough for me.

All the best,
GLS.

Hi,

I'm growing out a couple of packs of seeds. I have just put 21 plants on a flowering cycle - 4 didn't germinate and one was a mutant.

I grew the previous GD and was the best plant (high wise) that I’ve ever grown. I could kick myself that I no longer have it!!
If I get one or two excellent mothers from this batch I’d be pleased. I’ll let you know about the hermie ratios.

D

I 've been thinking about this lots and reading up a bit. I've had plants throw out the odd stealth banana, and didn't really think of it as a hermie. The plant when dried had no seeds in the buds. So this isn't a hermie is it? Isn't a hermie a female plant that also develops proper male flowers full of pollen?

I doubt that a plant with a few stealth bananas will have time to be seeded enough to be ruined before harvest. But I could be wrong. It is just a female plants last ditch attempt at fertilization which is after all it's true purpose...... to reproduce.

EO

Totally agree EO...... .... NO NEED TO PANIC!


Laz

Got about 60 seeds here off my GD ....
I've seen some banana's on buds like EO has said and there hav'nt been any seeds, they where probably hermied too late to make a difference,my GD had lots of banana'a which turned into full male flowers.......

We have another on the go atm which is about 4 wks in(mine hermied at 2 wks), not a single sign of a hermie(fingers crossed) and is probably the best looker of the lot .....
Not finished with GD by a long shot .....

RAZ

That's the spirit - nice one Raz... has to be worth the effort...


Laz

This has been a good thread to read with some interesting links.

Hmmm, Sonic has his say...

25%

yeah, wouldnt be a problem if mine had hermed in the last couple of weeks of flower, but as they both did it around the 4 week stage it makes it nigh on impossible to harvest an unseeded grow.
the most annoying aspect is the 2 months of veg time that the plants get before flower, thats alot of leccy & effort spent in the 3 months of its life before you find out its a ladyboy

i`ve ditched the tri node specimen as its turned out male, 1 left from my pack of 13 and its 2 days 12/12 and remains unsexed.....

fingers crossed

Just discovered 2 of my remaining 3 GD females have turned and have pollen full bollocks on some of the lower branches.....Gutted.

1 plant looks ok at the moment, fingers crossed for her.

Man, this sucks! What a waste of time and effort!!

Add another to the list of hermied General's Daughter....

Fukkin thing is just shy of 5 weeks into flower.....

Bollocks.

Damn im gutted for all of u. My last plant went hermie (unknown strain) and now i have two clones of the same shit, and im hoping its not a trait to hermie but due to unstable conditions.

Great thread though once you get past the horror of ladyboy plants......

EDIT to say: if you can get past ladyboy plants



FTM

Hi Guys and Gals





When I was first researching a strain to grow as my first 1 , I stumbled upon Mono's grow and a couple of others , the way they enthused (sp) over the plants sold the strain to me.

The seeds I got were the second batch (G13 x c99) , now the genetic make-up has changed by dropping the Northern Lights , isn't this a different strain completely to the original GD ? (Thats like saying ES is the same as ESB , just with the B left out ) . The way and volume of hermies so far (I grant you among a few but rising number of growers) is unreal . Thats leaving aside what also seems to be a poor male - fem ratio .

I'm far from being an expert on genetics , growing and the seed business , so if I'm talking bollox please tell me .

As I said before , we cant all have growroom problems .

@ Joolz - I'm sorry I have only just noticed your post



Me neither m8 , I'd also like to point out , I would grow out any of the other FDM strains anytime and have no second thoughts , but I wouldnt recommend these to anyone . (not that i know anyone to recommend em to anyway )



As I said earlier , we seem to be a small but growing number .






Same here m8 , no hard feelings at all , this thread just seems to have thrown up a few intresting reads along the way .


Hopefully Soon

Edited cos i cant type

Update - Well, out of two packs, I have 8 left that are not male. They may or not be hermies. That's not too gooda ratio so far.

Fingers crossed for you.

Interestingly enough............ Or not. Shrug.....

The GD isn't far from finished now... A couple of weeks I think.... Anyways..

After a few male flowers showed the pistils started to brown off at a rapid rate and I thought she/he was just about done.... Since then things have looked up. It pretty much exploded with white pistils and the cloa size is increasing noticably. No more bollocks that I have seen, just good, strong growth of flower.

I'm beginning to like this plant again.... Maybe it was just a phase..... Y'know lads, I'm sure we can all remember trying on lipstick and dresses..... What?....... No?..... Oh shizzle....

Got a pack each of FDMs c99 and GD
Cracked 6 of each
c99 has given me 4 lovely ladies
GD has only given me a broken heart
4 Boys
1 (the runt) still in veg and now catching up (fingers crossed)
and 1 in flowering 10 days or so, again fingers crossed
back to the "broken heart"
These are the fittest, best looking plants I have ever grown
Please let 1 be a good viable Girl
Good Luck to all on their grows with it
duds

............... And no sooner had I said it......... Bollocks everywhere.

It's down now after the bollock search led me to find the beginnings of some bud-rot in the main cola. I kinda knew the bud-rot problem would turn up and had been out to get insulating material for the flowering room. It's only single-brick built with a concrete roof and the temperature difference between the cold brickwork and the flowering-room air was causing high humidity levels. .... Oops. I'm rambling...

The rest of the GD seeds Raz has won't be germinated, I wouldn't want another one on the basis of the results from the seeds we grew out. It's a real shame too, the structure and size of cola was pretty impressive and the smell was lovely. I'm sure it will taste nice too with lots of effect from the crystally nugs....

Ho-hum.... Onwards and upwards....

Sorry to hear that nig m8...


Will have to give my GD beans a try next year tho....

hope my luck is better...


Laz

Just out of curiosity Nigs, what were your humidity readings?

Did you have any rot probs with Cindy?

Quite high at times Bish 75%+ on cold, wet days. The C99* just ignored it. Cropped one two days ago, it had been in there for all the time the GD was without a problem.

So far I have 8 female GDs left out of 26 seeds that are in week 5 of 12/12. Fingers crossed that there will be at least 1 or 2 that are hermi free!

I sprouted five seeds and got two amazing females, no hermies in sight. I'm gonna start a few more early next year.

DF

Nice

Let's hope you get another outstanding result

Well, they are 5 1/2 weeks into 12/12 and I have found two with bananas - so I now have 6 out of 26 left! Pity, one of them looked really nice................

Unlucky dude..........

RAZ

It's more genetic than luck methinks......

....... Still wondering where Baudelaire got to. This thread has been running since October.... His input would be nice..