Basically Sativex is a tincture, ie whole cannabis placed in alcohol, some of the alcohol is then evaporated to produce a concentrated solution of cannabis extracts

The Victorian's did this over 100 years ago

If and when Sativex is available from a GP what would happen if someone sprays the Sativex onto a cigarette and then allows the alcohol to evaporate leaving behind the concentrated cannabis extracts? Would this be illegal?

Would anyone bother to do this? (I think some will)

So would this be legal? I cannot see any reason why it would be illegal which raises the point that if that is legal then why should an MS sufferer who chooses to smoke a conventional joint be commiting a crime

hello Danzig,

You are right and of course being that it is a concentrtate dirivative(?) aswell this means this should more illegal than the raw material itself kind of like oil no?

but if you want it all to make sense then all you have to do is remember we live in a hypocracy (do as we say but not as we do) at the moment and not a true democracy that we are lead to believe .this means they can move the posts for every individual and not the fact that one law should apply to all.
peace and ranting p_l

I've been thinking about this, if you could find an inert medium that doesn't combust then you could spray the sativex on that, and it would be ideal to use in a vaporizer Dunno, though, cos I haven't really looked into the sativex chemistry (I know my way round organic chemistry if I ABSOUTELY have to, but it makes my brain hurn and tends to act as a spoprific). I can't see how their claim to have removed the bit that gets you high can be true, as it's the same bit that has the beneficial effect - I suspect the doesn't get you high claims are cos it's an under the tongue spray & THC isn't active across the mouth membrane, or something like that.


Edited cos I can't even spell THC

For those of us enlightened in the use of vaporisers what about spraying it onto our normal BUD then wait for the alcohol to evaporate and carry on as usual?
A more worrying thing though would the alcohol contained in satevax produce a positive result in a breathe test?
Not that it would make any difference to me as i would refuse it anyway, i have no desire to make Dr Fucking corrupt bastard Guy any profit.

and I as a medi need weed user ...would not use Satives as they have bastardised the thc by only using certain elements of the whole plant ...

I want the right to use my herb as "GOD" made it ...a whole natural product of many compounds all supporting one another .....so sorry gw pharmers ...No i do want your chemically altered and chemically spiced up concoction

There exists a whole weed need community out there
The NHS has given up on them as there drugs are to expensive, a post code lottery for treatment like Interferon...

The allopathic chemical drug pushers ...oh how wrong you got it Du Pont..we are organic beings we cannot respond to chemical sythetics that make you billions.

The victims of mislead a directed wrong diagnosis and years of taking drugs that have done nothing but create other disease processes.

Sativax.....not a chance

Herbal cannabis as nature intend it whole unmessed with as natural as can be ....yes ...and in doing so I have earned the right to self medicate with a herb so wrongly branded a narcotic by those who fear the most the Yank Government.

In doing so I am governed by their own white paper that states as someone with chronic ill health , Yes i have become my own expert and self medicate....with herbal cannabis ..something that has yet to me more harm than the Governments of our world are already doing to me by insisting I am a criminal.....

In their eyes only...

mj

It is extracted using the same method caffeine is extracted from coffee,

supercritical carbon dioxide decaffeination, is very similar to the direct solvent methods, except that in this case the solvent is carbon dioxide. High-pressure vessels (operating at roughly 250 to 300 times atmospheric pressure) are employed to circulate the carbon dioxide through a bed of premoistened, green coffee beans. At such pressures, carbon dioxide takes on unique, 'supercritical' properties that enhance its usefulness as a solvent. Supercritical carbon dioxide has a density like that of a liquid, but its viscosity and diffusivity are similar to those of a gas. These attributes significantly lower its pumping costs. Carbon dioxide is a popular solvent because it has a relatively low pressure critical point, and it is naturally abundant. The caffeine-rich carbon dioxide exiting the extraction vessel is either channeled through a bed of activated charcoal or through a water 'bath' tower to absorb the caffeine. The carbon dioxide is then recirculated back to the extraction vessel. Supercritical carbon dioxide decaffeination is capital-cost intensive, but it offers very good yields. It typically can extract 96 to 98 percent of the caffeine originally present in the beans."

I was told (by Dr Ian Wong GW) it was freeze dried using liquid nitrogen but the above is a similar process using carbon dioxide, ethanol can also be used I would be surprised if that (ethanol) was the prefered method of extraction, I wonder if any of the objectors have used a honey bee extractor? It worries me that so many people have such strong objections to GW. I personally find it reassuring to have science prove me correct so many times.

Imagine "if sativex is viable you could use it in the theatre/tube/ anywhere how handy!

When a Dr signes the hypocratic oath he states he will do his best to offer the best available treatment for the patient. I have regularly seen this to be the case in recent years with Drs recommending medi-weed coops such as thc4ms thc London and bud buddies as a dispensary, I have no problem despite being an "alternative practitioner" helping them direct with tinctures etc. Without GW perhaps medi-weed co-ops would not be tollerated, all may not seem as it is on their box! Gw tested their product on humans not animals!

I will finish with, if my weed box was empty and my partner is in spasm/pain/blind/incontinent/paralised then I do not care how I get thc/cbd into her, I am sure most other carers would do the same.

mark
(putting tin hat on)

I also am a medi user, when I can get hold of Bud that is !!!.When I have nothing which seems to be most of the time I would gladly use Sativex to try to help ease my pain to try to get some sort of Benefit no matter how small that Benefit is !!!!.My body has been filled with all sorts of Pescription drugs over the last few years no doubt with a detrimental effect to mind & body.Beggars cant be choosers.So please people spare a thought for those who do not have a choice in what they use.


ANYTHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING !!

CANT COME SOON ENOUGH

I'm sure I'll give Savitex a try once it's avaliable but I also doubt it will be as effective as smoking/vaping/eating cannabis - all the elements of the plant work together to provide relief and I don't think you can get that effect if you start messing about with which bits go into the finished product.

However I really think it's a very long way off anyway - I was looking through some old MS mags the other day and they were promising medical cannabis "within the next few months" even then. And then we were told it was definately coming in February this year, which was pushed back to July, then October, and now indefinately

I spoke to my MS nurse a few days ago about this and she said that the Savitex rep had been round and said they didn't know when it would come, because it has to go through the NICE governing body first (the same people who initially disallowed the interferons because there "wasn't enough proof") So I for one am definately not holding my breath waiting for Savitex and will continue with my plans to start my own medi-grow

Dunno, I don't object at all to a cannabis preperation, in any form sick folks want to take it. I object to Dr Guy & GW Pharm for a number of reasons, the first being plain and simple profiteering. But more insidious than that is that GW are a part of 'big pharm' as a whole, they can't be singled out just cos they're working with cannabis as somehow different, and big pharm are the reason why sick people aren't allowed to grow their own. And as Togs says, who's know that when sativex hits the streets they won't suddenly bring in legislation upping the penalties for cultivation, or negating the medical grow defence. It's a pretty coincidence that pot got downgraded to the sme classification as most non opiate or coca based controlled medical drugs a week or two before sativex started clinical trials. If they care that much about sick people, why not bring that kinda political lobbing power to full decrim for medi users, cos I'm sure the downgrading of class was due to some fancy behind the scenes footwork. I think sativex is the case of a good thing coming about through completely the wrong motives, and while I'm not gonna stand in the way of sick folks getting medicine, I'm not gonna herald Dr Guy as some sort of philanthropist either (and there is a worrying cross-section of the 'activist' community - note not meaning anyone here - that appear to be portraying him as such for reasons of their own, share ownership, perhaps ).

Sorry, don't mean to stick my oar in, that's just the way I see it. I'm not going to protest against sativex or tell folks not to use it, or anything like that, I just feel it may actually be part of the problem, not the solution, as far as medi-weed is concerned.

So I for one am definately not holding my breath waiting for Savitex and will continue with my plans to start my own medi-grow
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I would suggest you do just that!

share ownership, perhaps
now thats a good idea! :wassnnme

I have chanted this for 4 years at least, so a final time, go buy a share any amount whatever you can afford. (you will lose money in th eshort term)

A good reason is so you get a vote, get invited to every agm personaly however annoying it is to them (an annual invite into the research centre) think about it dread-heads.

If I think about it I might or may know a very minor share holder I am sure the anarchist bastard bought them for a laugh!

We could make their agm look like the LHF, think about it!

I agree totally bud, im ok because i can grow and self medicate and have faith in cannabis, but someone who has never touched it and has just heard bad things about cannabis (faith in your treatment is important for healing),
well they might just find something that helps them get relief for a short time.

i've said before,i dont care if i've got a weaker defence in law because of it,
and like you said if it wasn't for gw and some of their research,
the experiments/results and positive results would be even further away.
and it 's the positive results that are causing a change in peoples attitudes,
im not on about us growers, but the general public who happen to trust doctors
and drug company's.

it's never a simple black and white subject, and for me the good outways the bad.
it's like the situation with thalidomide,
it caused a lot of pain and suffering and was banned from most countries,
but it has another use, and without it people riddled with pain from leprosy, would suffer even more.

im lucky to choose how i get pain relief, how ever not everyone is as lucky.

GW and i have written to dr Guy many times and he has replied openly and honestly untill about two years ago....

Until it is proven that the whole plant is used not just a few proven compounds ....

and that the cannabis used isnt tampered with per se .....

and that additives havent been added to make it inaffective for some users

I personal wouldnt touch it with a barge pole.....

I do not have ms but suffere similar symtoms and any alcohol phenol and or chemical extraction just isnt going to be acceptable for those most needy of this alleged cannabis medicine

and its because of the work of thc4ms and others that the Governemnt both here and the usa started testing ...
to think what could thes mmcos do with the trim off 60tonnes of cannabis if as they say only the bud is used ....to many questions unanswered by GW....

As a medi user that once upon a time was ADDICTED to painkillers and who has been proscecuted for cultivating my medical cannabis i object on only 2 grounds, and if others can or wish to use any preparation from cannabis made and produced by GW Pharma thats all good for them. My main complaint is one of FAIRNESS i myself have applied for a medi licence to allow me to cultivate my own medi cannabis and was refused because:-
Under the present rules on the granting of licences if you use or partake in cannabis in any way shape or form you are NOT ALLOWED TO HOLD A LICENCE. Dr Guy is a cannabis user on a daily basis yet he holds the licence mmmmm
My 2nd reason is why should someone of dubious character make profit from MY ILLNESS, my illness is excactly that mine i suffer it i have to deal with it in which ever way is most suitable to ME. I continue to cultivate and use cannabis and will do so until i'm either cured (not gonna happen) or dead oh or this corrupt society we live in locks me in prison. If the latter then i will suffer the agony that is my illness until i am free and able to continue my cannabis regime.

Edited to add i use a vaporiser and only a vaporiser gave up tobacco and smoke 6 months ago and will never go down that rd again.

wonder if those that do not want it, smoke hash, non organic weed, Honey oil, oil?
most are not chemical free or the whole plant. How many objectors smoke tobacco? Take "illegal cannabis extracts" (not whole plant) prescription drugs/pain killers etc.

I do not understand anyone who uses other prescribed/ pharm drugs having an objection to sativex, my partner has MS uses NO other medication other than cannabis whole extracted or any other way, eats organic takes herbal remedies and avoids dairy at all costs she is looking forward to the sativex supplement. Very handy if traveling outside the EU. Cannabis allieviates not cures ailments to cure you need to look at diet also.

Let food be your medicine and medicine your food.
Hypocrates

One size will not fit all

Under the present rules on the granting of licences if you use or partake in cannabis in any way shape or form you are NOT ALLOWED TO HOLD A LICENCE.

Not entirely true, I have a letter from Home Office saying I may obtain a licence once certain criteria is met. Mainly a secure facility to produce and research.

damn right.

I do not take any other medicines for pain...can't simple fact is i am a reactive anaphylactic to opiates ...a pinhead would trigger this ...

thats were my argument stands GW what will be in the Sativex spray....petrochemicals, wood alcohol...carbon dioxide

Each and every cannabis user knows what works for them...grant a licence and mmcos will be able to grow and provide sustainable and non toxic preparations for all

simple solutions are often overlooked by Governments ....theres been enough evidence for as long has man has recorded humanity

im not in conflict with GW just think the usa has put to many restrictions upon this DRUG already ....one has to ask why?

I also have a letter from the home office stating you must not be a cannabis user and also about having the ability to carry out research etc.
Seems to me they are making it up as they go along to discourage us no matter how.
Nothing will change while Labour are in power and will only get worse if the Tories gain power.

I realise this thread is nearly 4 years old,but having read something elsewhere today,can I ask - is it possible to spray Sativex on a ciggie and smoke it and feel it's effect ?

Indeed over four years old

and the GW's Sativex has been proven by medi users who can get past the pct's, I was the first to admit , IT WORKS, nothing taken out, whole plant extract.

four years on and still many waiting for this wonder drug

Come round for a coffee and try it

I would have thought that it'd work just fine - the alcohol carrier would evaporate, leaving behind a lovely pure mixture of THC and CBD on the cigarette which would 'burn' beautifully and make you feel gooood.

Thanks for the replies folks



Ta very muchly,I will - but only if you promise that you won't be wearing that gimp suit of yours again.