UK420 > Making Oil ....

Kafka

Oct 14 2004, 05:07 PM

Evening folks

Thought i would have a bash at making some oil using a honey bee and butane from a load of trim i have kept from the last 3 grows.

Few questions which i have not been able to find direct answers too ....

What do you (if at all) grind up the trim with ? Scissor it to death ? Mortar and pistal or chuck it in whole ?

Also i noticed most folks use dry trim - which it says to use on the extractor - but can you use wet trim ? I got a bag of each you see ...

Any ideas anyone ?

- Kafka

nigfis

Oct 14 2004, 05:17 PM

You can scissor it up Kafka, it doesn't need to be finely ground..

Just one thing... Promise me you're doing it outside and away from any electrical appliance or other form of sparky-naked-flamey thing......

I'd hate to read about someone from this site in the papers....

Kafka

Oct 14 2004, 05:40 PM

QUOTE(nigfis @ Oct 14 2004, 06:17 PM)

Just one thing... Promise me you're doing it outside and away from any electrical appliance or other form of sparky-naked-flamey thing......

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Thanks for the reply Nigfis

I promise i'm doing it outside

Only problem is it's dark ! I know i'll use my lighter ... *laughs* just kidding !

- Kafka

hairy face

Oct 14 2004, 06:54 PM

I thought it did have to be dry and finely gound for butane extraction

HydroNaut

Oct 14 2004, 08:20 PM

QUOTE(hairy face @ Oct 14 2004, 07:54 PM)

I thought it did have to be dry and finely gound for butane extraction

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Uhuh, it does for best results.

I just use my grinder or a pair of scissors to get it into as smaller pieces as possible. The finer the trim the better the extraction will go. Your able to get more in this way also.

Wet trim is harder to handle and you'll probably end up with less product. Im not sure but it might leech the colour out also

I'll do a comparison next time and see.

Remember to use low inpurity Butane also

Owderb

Oct 14 2004, 08:25 PM

bung it in blender.u will get half ounce in the honey b and blast it with 2 cans.enjoy mate,

used dry stuff pal

Bish

Oct 14 2004, 08:27 PM

QUOTE

Wet trim is harder to handle and you'll probably end up with less product. Im not sure but it might leech the colour out also

Chlorophyl definitely ends up in the final product if using wet trim, & doesn't taste too good either.

Dry 'n grind for best results

Kafka

Oct 14 2004, 09:05 PM

Cheers folks

Well i got my first extraction sorted out and the result is funky looking ! I used the Newport butane as suggested

Smokes pretty strong too

This is the end result from not alot of trim. Still got about 200g to get through ...

- Kafka

HydroNaut

Oct 14 2004, 09:16 PM

Mmm BHO, love it!

Looks a good return too

Have you got it contaminated a little? Just the dark streaks?

RAZ

Oct 14 2004, 09:38 PM

Very nice Kafka

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I find mixing it with pollen(jellyhash?) makes it lots easier to smoke as I find oil is as messy as a babies nappy

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RAZ

Kafka

Oct 15 2004, 08:24 AM

Cheers folks

Aye RAZ its messy messy stuff !

QUOTE(HydroNaut @ Oct 14 2004, 10:16 PM)

Mmm BHO, love it!

Looks a good return too

Have you got it contaminated a little? Just the dark streaks?

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Yeah not bad from only one 250 ml can ! Dark streaks are carbon residue from the tools i used to get it off the dish.

I collect a load of oil up on the metal tool and heat it. Oil just 'globs' together and puddles nicely. Moved it onto a 50p piece

- Kafka

RAZ

Oct 15 2004, 02:03 PM

You've inspired me Kafka

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Hope you don't mind me posting a couple of pics?

Made this out of 1oz of dried trim, and added what was in my space case

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RAZ

Oct 15 2004, 02:04 PM

Could have done with a bit more pollen as it's still very sticky, i'll leave it for a while to dry out a bit more

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Kafka

Oct 15 2004, 02:22 PM

Pwaaar RAZ nice looking bit of jelly hash there

Keep the pics coming !

The consistency looks far better when it's mixed up with some pollen. Less like 2 part epoxy glue and more like hash

Managed to get hold of some Isopropyl Alcohol from Maplins (£10 for a litre) and a vial with a dropper courtesy of the work, so i'll be doing more extractions tonight and soaking it up with the IPA fluid

- Kafka

RAZ

Oct 15 2004, 02:29 PM

Hope you is gonna pop some pics up dude

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Here's the hash all rolled ........

RAZ

Oct 15 2004, 02:31 PM

Last one. If I remember i'll pop up some more in a week or 2 to see how it's getting on ...

RAZ

MDP

Oct 15 2004, 03:20 PM

mmm lovley pics fella`s

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 01:39 AM

Managed another extraction tonight

Result looked like this when the butane had evaporated off ...

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 01:47 AM

This time instead of collecting the oil using metal tools i used Isopropyl Alcohol and gathered it into a vial with a dripper - as described in Sun Tzu's thread.

After collecting the lot i chucked my other extractions worth of oil in the vial. All of it has disolved into the IPA and looking like a very dodgy piss sample.

Pic here ...

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 01:49 AM

Colour wise it's looking yellow ...

Mad Scientist

Oct 16 2004, 01:52 AM

where did u get the Isopropyl Alcohol from?
and how can u use the oil now?
looks nice !!

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 02:00 AM

Hey RAZ there's no way you'll hold out 2 weeks before smoking it !

- Kafka

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 02:05 AM

QUOTE(Mad Scientist @ Oct 16 2004, 02:52 AM)

where did u get the Isopropyl Alcohol from?
and how can u use the oil now?
looks nice !!
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Ello Mad Scientist

I got the IPA from Maplin's. Litre for £9.99.

Uses wise i can treat pouch baccy and existing weed by dropping some of it on and letting the IPA evaporate. Can also use it on pipe screens

I think i'll give bubble bags a go when i am able to buy them. Less mess and chemicals

- Kafka

Mad Scientist

Oct 16 2004, 02:32 AM

Looks to me like the absolute best way to handle oil, thanks for that !
Is maplin's a pharmacy or what?

Kafka

Oct 16 2004, 07:44 AM

Maplins is an electronics stockists

- Kafka

Kafka

Oct 17 2004, 05:56 PM

Worked another 3 extractions today and ended up with this tidy little lot

Blob on the left was a little contaminated with some trim which escaped. Stuff on the right is as pure as the driven snow

Kafka

Oct 17 2004, 05:59 PM

Bit closer on the good blob ...

Kafka

Oct 17 2004, 06:01 PM

Smokes pretty good too !

- Kafka

S2001

Oct 17 2004, 11:41 PM

After extraction put a HOT water bottle under neath

RAZ

Oct 23 2004, 10:26 AM

Hey Kafka that's a neat pile of oil you got there

.... Very nice!!!

The piece I made the other day has changed shape a wee bit, showed it Nigfis who got all jealous and broke it up into a pile of dust

, so had to reshape it ...

Also we decided to have a tester of it last night, wicked smoke if abit harsh but what a dreamy warm stone it gives

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Anyways here's what it looks like now it's had time to dry ....

RAZ

Oct 23 2004, 10:26 AM

RAZ

Oct 23 2004, 10:27 AM

Took loads of pics in different places to try and get a clear shot ......

RAZ

Oct 23 2004, 10:28 AM

Bit better .....

RAZ

Oct 23 2004, 10:30 AM

Last one

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RAZ

nigfis

Oct 23 2004, 10:52 AM

QUOTE(RAZ @ Oct 23 2004, 11:26 AM)

The piece I made the other day has changed shape a wee bit, showed it Nigfis who got all jealous and broke it up into a pile of dust

, so had to reshape it ...

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But, but but.......
I didn't know you couldn't squeeze it......

Sure worked a treat though, a bit heavy on the eyes.... I kept crashing the motorbike on xbox online MotoGP....... Not that I don't anyways, but it's nice to have something to blame other than my piss-poor driving skills.

Kafka

Oct 24 2004, 12:31 PM

Mmmm that's a nice looking bit of blow Raz ! Nearly smoked all my oil for now but i got another bag of trim drying out

- Kafka

thermio

Oct 25 2004, 12:00 AM

QUOTE(Kafka @ Oct 17 2004, 06:56 PM)

Worked another 3 extractions today and ended up with this tidy little lot

Blob on the left was a little contaminated with some trim which escaped. Stuff on the right is as pure as the driven snow

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Hello ,
I'm sure this has something to do with the thickness of filter paper . I had no problems with the two filters provided with my Honeybee but cut up Mellitta coffee filters seem too thin . I'll be doing another extraction tommorow , I'll either layer up a pair (one as a 'washer') or perhaps try another brand . Also playing with some oil . Have made a very nice lump of sticky 'Malawi' type stuff with some fine powdered purple bud and scuff mixed in . Smokes a lot less harsh and still spreads with a knife , just a slightly thicker texture . Ooof ! It's hitting me now

cheers

T

Kafka

Oct 25 2004, 08:06 AM

*grins* na this was just trim which escaped when i foolishly removed the extractor lid over the basin of butane

- Kafka

thermio

Oct 25 2004, 02:41 PM

QUOTE(Kafka @ Oct 25 2004, 09:06 AM)

*grins* na this was just trim which escaped when i foolishly removed the extractor lid over the basin of butane

- Kafka
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Hello ,
Patience grasshopper ! Never mind , you can still hook out the bits with a pin while the butane's evaporating . Just out of interest what brand of filter paper are you using ?

cheers

T

Kafka

Oct 27 2004, 09:07 PM

Hiya thermio

I got 3 filters with the honey bee and will be using "Whatman 40 Ashless" now that i need to do a few more extractions. These were "acquired" from the work

- Kafka

The_Embalmer

Oct 29 2004, 07:28 PM

IPA, Isopropyl Alcohol BS 1595, Should be readily available from your local chemists. If you want a manufacturer and retailer PM me. Make sure your trim is dry, scissor it, freeze it and gas it. Don't think a blender will work well. They have mainly plastic casings which your trichomes will be electrostatically drawn to even when frozen, you've just 'charged' them by swirling them around at 5,000 RPM. You can certainly recover them off by dosing with IPA. Seems like un-nescessary procedure though. I have posted a couple of thoughts as to my preferred method on this subject if you want to find them. IPA is very usefull when 'transporting' your finished oil from evaporating bowl into your final storage recepticals. Keep in a dark cool enviro. I keep my oil in the fridge. Hope this is of information.

Kafka

Oct 31 2004, 09:00 AM

Ran two extractions a few days ago and have been playing with the oil in various states.

Trim was ground and bone dry. Better quality than the last few times. This was the result ... Most of those dark spots are bits on the bottom of the dish

Kafka

Oct 31 2004, 09:03 AM

After collecting it all up i used IPA to disolve up all the oil. I kept it in a bottle over night and allowed it to evaporate off in a tin. Resulting oil is very strong

- Kafka

grobag

Nov 3 2004, 10:12 AM

has anybody ever extracted using a ketone as the solvent? I have recently aquired some Methyl Ethyl Ketone and have done a few very careful extractions but the results, although brilliant once the solvent has been evaporated are different to any other type of extraction I've done previously.

sorry that I don't have pictures but I don't have a camera!

Gro.

grobag

Nov 8 2004, 12:43 PM

hi,
jumped in a bit quick with the MEK extraction question, especially with it being my first post on this site, but I just thought I'd mention for what it's worth that this type of extraction, like with alcohol extractions, extracts the chlorophyl (plus tars and waxes) to and makes for a dirty tasting oil like the ones you used to get back along.. dark brown with THAT taste.

I'm currently sticking with the butane extractions as this gives the best and purest results and I use the coffee pot method I learned about through this site a little while back as it is the quickest and easiest method that I've tried.

One question, if you don't mind, what are the best filters that people have found for using as all the coffee filters I've tried have little perforations (or aroma pockets!) which let too much through. Where can you get lab grade filters, anyone know?

Cheers,

Gro.

thermio

Nov 8 2004, 08:09 PM

QUOTE(grobag @ Nov 8 2004, 01:43 PM)

hi,
jumped in a bit quick with the MEK extraction question, especially with it being my first post on this site, but I just thought I'd mention for what it's worth that this type of extraction, like with alcohol extractions, extracts the chlorophyl (plus tars and waxes) to and makes for a dirty tasting oil like the ones you used to get back along.. dark brown with THAT taste.

I'm currently sticking with the butane extractions as this gives the best and purest results and I use the coffee pot method I learned about through this site a little while back as it is the quickest and easiest method that I've tried.

One question, if you don't mind, what are the best filters that people have found for using as all the coffee filters I've tried have little perforations (or aroma pockets!) which let too much through. Where can you get lab grade filters, anyone know?

Cheers,

Gro.

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Hello ,
Farnell or RS Components should stock lab grade filter paper . I've not had too much luck with coffee filters , even after making a 'washer' from another piece of filter paper to form a tighter seal , I'm still getting the odd particle coming through here and there . Did not have this trouble with the papers that came with my Honeybee

If I find the lab papers , I'll let you know where I found them and the order number

cheers

T

grobag

Nov 9 2004, 08:49 AM

Cheers Thermio,

I'll be checking the catalogues at me local electrical suppliers (me bro's a sparky).

I'm currently filtering both inside the coffee pot with the plunger and then again through a little home-made contraption that pegs (wooden) a couple of coffee filters inside each other to a frame for holding and I don't seem to be getting much unwanted material through but its hard to tell cos I can't really see it.
The second filter in the hand held thing doesn't seem to collect much crap, just a fine whitish-green powder not unsimilar to scuff.

So pleased with final results, yellow glass, never adda bedda bidda budda on me knife.

I'll keep trying to refine it though, anyone tried using activated carbon?

Cheers,

Gro.

thermio

Nov 9 2004, 09:44 AM

QUOTE(grobag @ Nov 9 2004, 09:49 AM)

Cheers Thermio,

I'll be checking the catalogues at me local electrical suppliers (me bro's a sparky).

I'm currently filtering both inside the coffee pot with the plunger and then again through a little home-made contraption that pegs (wooden) a couple of coffee filters inside each other to a frame for holding and I don't seem to be getting much unwanted material through but its hard to tell cos I can't really see it.
The second filter in the hand held thing doesn't seem to collect much crap, just a fine whitish-green powder not unsimilar to scuff.

So pleased with final results, yellow glass, never adda bedda bidda budda on me knife.

I'll keep trying to refine it though, anyone tried using activated carbon?

Cheers,

Gro.
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Hello ,
Farnell have 0.39mm thick lab grade paper . 90mm stock code 724-0302 , 150mm 724-0314 per pack of 100 . Also have various other lab stuff such as PH buffer , petri dishes etc . £10 minimum order though

cheers

T

grobag

Nov 9 2004, 12:02 PM

spot on, cheers.

I'll order myself some of those. Mabey get a few sorts to bump up the order price and see which ones I prefer.

Gro.

thermio

Nov 9 2004, 03:15 PM

QUOTE(grobag @ Nov 9 2004, 01:02 PM)

spot on, cheers.

I'll order myself some of those. Mabey get a few sorts to bump up the order price and see which ones I prefer.

Gro.
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Hello ,
Booger ! Farnell no longer stock the papers , also the min order is now £20 . Have you tried the chemists for papers ?

cheers

T