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G-Whizz!
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Been reading about autopots, bubblers and the like. Now in me Farm I did use airstones, and had them in the res, but since reading about the autopots, was wondering if I should be having them amongst the roots.

Do you think that as it is a dripper system, the solution is being aerated enough without the stones?

Would I be better off putting them amongst the roots, but wouldn't that be a bit noisey (hissy)?

Anyway, let me know your views. On a new grow now without stones at the mo, and am thinking about getting some again.

Where (in your opinion) should they go?

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pd666
in the solution g smile.gif it oxygenates the water as it gets fed to your plants
Stealth67
Hey GW, i got my air stones in the res's and i have 4mm soaker hose feeding air to roots.
A 4mm soaker ring will emit air evenly and over a bigger area.
Hozelock do some 4mm soaker hose. whistling.gif

Airstones in water, saoker hoses in pots. wink.gif
Queijo
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i got my air stones in the res's and i have 4mm soaker hose feeding air to roots.
A 4mm soaker ring will emit air evenly and over a bigger area.


Nice one Stealth, that will do me, very nice idea duly copied wink.gif

Cheers
G-Whizz!
Right!

Thanks peeps cool.gif

PD, I found a very cheap website with free p+p for nice airpumps, so I'm gonna go a shopping...

Stealth! Genius!!! As cheesy, I will have to copy that for the next time round whistling.gif

So, it's airstones in the res, and a 4mm soaker ring amongst the pebbles wink.gif

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Stealth67
VRG's idea lads, i'm just the messenger wink.gif .
G-Whizz!
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BushBandicoot
Voted both because...............airstone in water resevoir circulates solution and that's all fine and good if solution's in there for a few days, airstone in amongst roots is a must. Not only delivering air to the roots whilst wet but also circulating water in trays. Trays have large surface area and are well oxygenated but need circulation to prevent from going stale too.

Interpet AV4 airpump, £33. Dual outlet, 300lph each outlet, online aqaurium shops.
VRG
Definatly, both! wink.gif

The more oxygen you can get to the roots, the better.
If you can get a decent airpump, like the one BB mentioned, stick an air-ring about 2" below the surface of your medium, one 2" up from the bottom of your medium, and a couple of monster air-stones in your res! alien2.gif

VRG

Stealth67
QUOTE (VRG @ Aug 31 2004, 01:46 PM)
Definatly, both! wink.gif

The more oxygen you can get to the roots, the better.
If you can get a decent airpump, like the one BB mentioned, stick an air-ring about 2" below the surface of your medium, one 2" up from the bottom of your medium, and a couple of monster air-stones in your res! alien2.gif

VRG

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G-Whizz!
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Lovely!!!

So the final plans for the next grow will be to have a single airstone in each Farm res, and then two in each for the roots in the 2" up 2" down fashion guitar.gif

Just one more thing whistling.gif

£33 can't do but could someone (bearing in mind that the res of a WaterFarm is only about 12 litres) have a butchers 'ere please...

Let me know how cheap I can go, I was gonna get a dual outlet one and then add two of those air line "X" pieces to handle all the stones.

Thanks again!

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Stealth67
I've got an air compressor not an air pump, it has 6 outlets and comes with a 6 outlet junction,
look here.
Its pretty noisy though, ive got my flower room well insulated so it makes no odds to me, cant hear it outside the GR.
It is expensive though.

If you go for a lesser outlet model and use T pieces to spread it to more locations it will diminish your litres per hour.

Your circumstances are different to mine so i would say the quad outlet pump is your best option GW.
bul-ituser
I had to go with the res not only is it good for your roots it keeps your nutes mixed nicely smoke.gif
BushBandicoot
I'm keenly awaiting arrival of airpump. Checked out all sorts of makes and models and in the end came down to three. Point to watch is good air delivery from each outlet, many models will quote an output but that is then divided up between outlets.

Rena Air 400, 2x 200lph,
Interpet AV3, 2x 250lph,
Interpet AV4, 2x300lph.

All good output pumps for £25-40, without having to go overboard.
pd666
gwhiz if ur drippign or using an irrigation ring a controllable flow is essential wink.gif so get a pump that can turn down or up the flow of water by dial wink.gif

in waterfarms correct am in thinking u feed in section times per day (theres no constant flow of water ? )


and if this is the case theres no point havign a pump blast loads of water on em when ukll need very little or small sized pump

i use the smallest controllable pump as i use irrigation and i have no need to shift 400L of water per hour lol.gif


food for thought wink.gif


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G-Whizz!
QUOTE (paradox_devil666 @ Aug 31 2004, 06:07 PM)
G, if ur drippign or using an irrigation ring a controllable flow is essential so get a pump that can turn down or up the flow of water by dial...

I currently use a dual outlet cheapo pump (£15) for dispensing the solution through the dripper ring. Each outlet goes to each pumping column on the Farm... That's fine for now, but if that pump goes so does my watering sad.gif

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in waterfarms correct am in thinking u feed in section times per day (theres no constant flow of water ? )

no.gif I feed 18/6 whether flowering or vegging...

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and if this is the case theres no point havign a pump blast loads of water on em when ukll need very little or small sized pump

Yep!!! Which is why I am thinking that I should go for 2 cheapo (£6) single outlet pumps with the X pieces giving me three outlets per pump. Remember, it's a small system, AND I'm only using these for airstones, not pumping solution wink.gif

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i use the smallest controllable pump as i use irrigation and i have no need to shift 400L of water per hour

lol.gif me neither bud, I was gonna buy the dual outlet one for backup in case me current one gives up the ghost, but it doesn't look as if it is controllable, whereas my present one is.

Thanks everyone for all your help. I dread to think how the plants are gonna grow with all that going on ohmy.gif It's a shame that I've missed the boat for this current grow, but this is summat that I'll deffo remember for next time!!!

Peace
peds
I am thinking of getting air pumps etc for my set up but have no idea were to start .

I have 3 res's each holding up to 40 litres running on NFT - could i oxygenate all 3 res's using one pump / compresser (dont know which one - a tad cluless re this topic)

Sorry to hijack the thread but seemed relevant .

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CATSARSE
buy massive and get growing proper dude no time 2 waste .. smoke.gif
artofzen
QUOTE(G-Whizz! @ Aug 31 2004, 11:54 AM)
Hello Peeps wink.gif

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Been reading about autopots, bubblers and the like. Now in me Farm I did use airstones, and had them in the res, but since reading about the autopots, was wondering if I should be having them amongst the roots.


i asked the guy from ghe this he said that this system is a super rich oxygen system anyway and he thought it unnecessary in any of their system(of course he would say that for the cynical amongst us) but imho id say you could never have enough.

Do you think that as it is a dripper system, the solution is being aerated enough without the stones?
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a/a really

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Would I be better off putting them amongst the roots, but wouldn't that be a bit noisey (hissy)?


as its the roots at the upper third of the root zone imho it is these that shoud be aerated if any..?


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Anyway, let me know your views. On a new grow now without stones at the mo, and am thinking about getting some again.

Where (in your opinion) should they go?


bottom line is it works more air to the root zone is imporatant as is understanding the facts of solubility, ie it drops as temp goes up...(at 75f ,0.004%)
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G-Whizz!
Can someone, anyone, decipher that unsure.gif
CATSARSE
he said he likes lots of air around his roots dude wink.gif
sibannac
In the res mate feed your airline down through the level indicator tube, it'll give air direct to the roots as they grow through the hydroton as well as adding more at the ring.

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G-Whizz!
QUOTE(G-Whizz! @ Jun 22 2005, 01:42 PM)
Can someone, anyone, decipher that unsure.gif
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QUOTE(CATSARSE @ Jun 22 2005, 04:11 PM)
he said he likes lots of air around his roots dude wink.gif
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Cheers Cats thumbsup.gif if anyone could, I should have known it would have been you wink.gif

QUOTE(sibannac @ Jun 22 2005, 04:33 PM)
In the res mate feed your airline down through the level indicator tube, it'll give air direct to the roots as they grow through the hydroton  as well as adding more at the ring.[right][snapback]379035[/snapback][/right]

I like the level indicator trick specool.gif

Surely you want airstones in the hydroton as well though? Air, more air the better, innit wink.gif but looking at the votes, you lot don't seem to agree unsure.gif

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Owderb
must admit G i'm shocked at the poll.Since i added porous airpipe to my roots, aswell as the res my plants are alot healthier and yield is definately up. wink.gif

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G-Whizz!
QUOTE(Owderb @ Jun 22 2005, 07:14 PM)
must admit G i'm shocked at the poll.[right][snapback]379131[/snapback][/right]

Me too guv!!! A whopping 62.50% go for just the res option whistling.gif

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Since i added porous airpipe to my roots, aswell as the res my plants are alot healthier and yield is definately up. wink.gif

Now that's what I'm chatting about thumbsup.gif

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