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BushDoctoR
my mate has just setup a NFT system, and being a coco man myself, im not much help to him

ive told him to get some canna aqua, at what strenths should he be mixing it at??

id personally feed freshly rooted clones @ 1/3 strenth in coco, would the same apply for NFT??

how high should he go with the feeds once fully grown? full strenth? or would that be to much?? (i only need to go to half strenth in coco)

are you supposed to feed grow and bloom in flower or just bloom???

when should he top up his tank?? and what with? (phed water? weak feed?)

any other NFT info ive missed out would be great as well smile.gif
cf
hi bd i'm on aqua atm so i'll tell u wot works for me



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at what strenths should he be mixing it at??

the advice on the bottle seems misleading to me ,i end up using it at about 1/2 the recommended conc. even when my plants are really firing ,when i start the system with clone i'm on about 1/4 strenght.

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are you supposed to feed grow and bloom in flower or just bloom???


er just bloom i think ,although i know some people use a bit of both when you first cut the light cycle

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when should he top up his tank?? and what with? (phed water? weak feed?)


i never let my tank go below 1/2 way ,i have a high background which obviously get more conc. the less h2o is in the tank...generally i use a ph adjusted weak feed.

does your mate have a cf/ec meter ? it makes things a lot easier,i couldnt have used aqua without it because of cannas high dosing instructions.

tell your mate good luck smoke.gif

cf
BushDoctoR
your a star m8 smoke.gif

i'll tell him he should get an EC meter

what size tank would you recommend for a 3ft x 6ft nft table??
cf
6x3? i'd go for about 100 litres of solution , you could get away with less but 100 or more would make it easy .

cf
BushDoctoR
cheers cheese,

100L? thats good, we can get 114L tanks from wickes for a score i think guitar.gif

thnx again smoke.gif


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racefan
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when should he top up his tank?? and what with? (phed water? weak feed?)


Hello there BushDoctoR. I haven't had much time posting here. I usually hang my hat at another site. I do have quite a bit of NFT experience though. There is a rule of thumb when it comes to deciding what to add back to your resevoir. If you are using tap water (which usually has high amounts of salts already in it) you only add back tap water. If you add back nutrients it would be real easy to overdose on one element or another. If you are using RO water, then you add back nutrient to your system in the appropriate amounts to bring your EC/PPM and solution back to the correct level. Of course as a coco coir grower you understand how important PH is and understand that any water whether it is RO or tap needs to be PH'd.
OMH
Same here.

When I make my nutrients up for NFT, I make up a black 80 litre bin of water and ph it to 5.5

Then, as the levels in the resevoir drop, I just top up from the black bin.

Keeps the PH pretty steady (i rarely have to hot mix ph down into the nute tank), and it gives you an idea of the nute uptake of the plants.

cf
hi racefan,ohm.

i've topped up with ph'd water only and i find my cf drops if i do this sad.gif

to be specific if i have a cf of 18 with a full tank which is what i aim for (my background is 7) and i top my tank up with ph'd water only when it gets to around 1/2 full my cf will be around 14/15

the topped up tank has more dissolved solids that i dont want from the water and yet i have a lower cf sad.gif this is why i add nutes at a low concentration to bring the cf up a little .if i dont do this my topped up solution has an increased conc. of nasty background DS and a decreased conc. of nutes.



does anyone know of a cheap RO machine in the uk by the way wink.gif
OMH
Cheese - your cf will drop, as the plants are using the nutrients up. This is a good thing.

Its not going to cause you any problems really. I am beginning to think that running NFT around the 1.5 - 1.6 levels may be better with a lot of strains anyway, as without C02 injection and fuck loads of light, the plant is not as likely to use up all the nutes it gets fed anyway.

If the CF is dropping a fair bit, then I just top it up less, to keep the concentration around the levels I want.

If the CF is around 1.5 once the tank is about half full, then its time for a nute change wink.gif
cf
hi omh

i started on nft using molyneauxs book ' a practical guide to nft' and using his regime you are supposed to top up and add nutes starting off with a lowish cf and having it rise due to the rising conc. of unwanted ds added on successive topups.

so following his instructions i would end up with a higher cf after each top up ,with it rising by two or three points until you approached a concentration toward theacceptable upper limit which is when you cahnge solution completely. 'the abc of nft' drawn from commercial nft experiences also talks about this .
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your cf will drop, as the plants are using the nutrients up. T


if my cf drops as the tank empties the only thing this indicates to me is that the plant is using nutes faster than water??? if this is the case i think the plant needs nutes in the water i will be topping up with .

if the cf remains the same as the tank empties then i assume the plant is drinking and 'eating' at the same rate and i'm happy with this ,in reality coz i have a background that is not being 'eaten' i will expect the cf to creep up a bit .

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If the CF is around 1.5 once the tank is about half full, then its time for a nute change


if my cf is around 15 (ec1.5) once the tank is half full i will top up with ph'd water and add some nutes coz i know if i just top up with ph'd water my cf will be around 11 and with a background of 7 it means i dont have a lot of nutes in my tank just mostly the free muck that comes with my tap water sad.gif

i think the companies that sell us their overpriced nutrients deliberately dont include concise topping up instructions (like nutriculture used to)simply to encourage us to keep on pouring good nutes down the drain.
ifwe were told properly how to maintain our solutions over a number of top-ups we could all save a lot of money sad.gif

peace

cf
G-Whizz!
Sorry 34.gif

I don't mean to confuse the issue, but this is what VRG says about it wink.gif

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cf
no confusion G this is what VRG says
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If you have the EC of your res right, it should remain the same, has the water level falls, most of the way down. If it rises, it was mixed too high to begin with, and if it drops, it was mixed too low to begin with.


i agree with this as well G-Whizz ,and if ur using RO water you can stick to this when you top up

if however you have a background reading of any significant amount i reckon that you should allow the reading to rise a small amount each time you top up due to the increasing level of unwanted dissolved solids poured in each time contained within the top up water itself.this is not my idea, merely stuff i read when setting up my first nft grow.molyneauxs book sets it all out,he also gives figures for the chem make up of nute solutions ,i guess if you use his nute formula then you can use his methods for working out the exact rise in the concentrations but even with different nutes the principal is the same.

reading the rest of that thread about growing different phenos in the same system reminds me of the time i grew a skunk and a northern lights in the same nft channel .
the root systems were so completely different in their rate of growth the skunk grew a mat under the NL and pushed it up out of the film and it died. sad.gif

cf
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