Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 03:15 PM
iv bin readin some posts on the site and people are sayin stay away from
narvana seeds why??
i just got some or monday (ak48) and just put 4 down shoud i put down more if ther not that good or if ther is a lot of males,,,????????
and i was thinking of getin more on wednesday (b52) shoud i spend the exter
money and get beter ones ,,?????
utopiate
Apr 5 2004, 03:46 PM
Hello justanotherstoner,
People are just giving their opinion of the seeds through experience. Nirvana seeds can be patchy, to say the least, but are what you have got; so grow them out and i wish you every success.
Don't know of the nirvana Ak knockoff, but had excellent experiences with their blueberry and neville's haze knockoff's, the least said of the kerala, and several of the other strains that I experimented with due to frugality and ignorance, the better.
Genetics are the single most important part of your grow imo, it's the one factor you cannot tweak or go and buy a bigger one later etc. Cost is not always an indication of quality, look around the boards and see what people are growing and enjoying consuming;buy them, grow them, smoke them, repeat as necessary.
B52 is a dutch passion sativa dom, isn't it? Why not but them from DP, or buy fdm's take on cinderella, very few disappointed with that lady, or not, up to you really.
U
skunk_style
Apr 5 2004, 04:48 PM
yeh, wot exactly IS rong wiv nirvana?
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 04:51 PM
still not sure
Vlad (the impala)
Apr 5 2004, 05:00 PM
just do a site search on the name! Many people have found them to be extremely poor in all respects - if you are going to the time, trouble, expense, and risk of growing, you really will do much better with some decent seeds. You need everything going for you on a first grow, using Nirvana beans has left a lot of people v.disappointed. Think of them as the "lada" of the seed world, cheap, not in the least cheerful, and will almost definitely disappoint!
Lozzy
Apr 5 2004, 05:31 PM
As I understand Nirvanan seeds tend to have a lessd than perfect germ rate, mutations and runts galore, lots of ruderalis in them and a tendacy to go hermy (specially the fem seeds). All this and just to save a few quid on top quality FdM genetics, if your paing hundreds of pounds for your grow kit you may as well push the boat out and spend 30 quid on some really goos seeds!
nav182
Apr 5 2004, 06:22 PM
| QUOTE (justanotherstoner @ Apr 5 2004, 04:15 PM) |
iv bin readin some posts on the site and people are sayin stay away from narvana seeds why??
i just got some or monday (ak48) and just put 4 down shoud i put down more if ther not that good or if ther is a lot of males,,,????????
and i was thinking of getin more on wednesday (b52) shoud i spend the exter money and get beter ones ,,????? |
Oh man, lets call a spade a spade here, they have an appauling reputation, My advice is dump the seeds they've sent you and buy from Sensi, paradise or flying Dutchman. I know it's gonna hurt but look at it this way, like Vlad said if your going to go to all the effort to grow, and it is an effort, why do it all only to end up with ashit end product. Start with good seeds and you'll have a good grow, start with exceptional seeds and you'll have an exceptional grow. Nirvana rip off names from other companies registered names, AK48 is a ripp off of the famous AK47 done by serious seeds. They put a lot of time and money into developing their seeds only to have NIrvana rip the names off so unsuspecting people get ripped off.
Seriously do yourself a favour and dump them, you'll be happy you did in the long run. Dump them, invest in new seeds and you won't regeret it, just put it down to experience
Sorry dude !
detoxed
Apr 5 2004, 06:32 PM
I my experience of growin Nirvana strains, they are alright but the end product isn't mindblowing. It's better than anything you'll ever pick up, but they generally don't have the best genetics. Albeit, I was disapointed as I was amazed.
Detoxed
utopiate
Apr 5 2004, 07:07 PM
[QUOTE] Oh man, lets call a spade a spade here[/QUO
Yes, lets.. Mau (Nirvana seed huckster) isn't all that bad, his female seed makers are all production clones in adam, for what that's worth; and he hits them with, in the main, his sk1 male (Anyone whose grown nirvana probably knows it

(The nirvana neville's haze was really fun though)
If you want a bland, homogenous ( and increasingly so) insipid, 'PRODUCT' then this is the door you open.
Your choice.
But ANYONE with half a brain, could knock out half arse drug cultivars... for a while. i'm in this for the long haul.
U
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 08:33 PM
ok based on what iv read i think i will fork out the extra money for some higher class seeds like reefer mans bermese x cambodian

£35quid a pack
does any one know anything about reefer man seeds they are recomnended by dr. chronic ????????
Vlad (the impala)
Apr 5 2004, 08:36 PM
TOKIN TARQUIN
Apr 5 2004, 08:44 PM
fdm 50/50
20 quality seeds
£15
just look at the variety in that pack
nav182
Apr 5 2004, 10:11 PM
Listen to Vlad and Tokin, they are in the know, I will shut my gob cos I know nothing, but I learn Mr Fawlty,
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 10:38 PM
Vlad (the impala)
Apr 5 2004, 10:41 PM
ffs, if its gone that long, run her right through till the end - you may be lucky! - you've got this far, shame to give up now!
nav182
Apr 5 2004, 10:47 PM
She don't look half bad to me, mmmmmmmm, fuck it, you started so you may as well finish. I didn't realise you were this far in, by the looks of her she's plenty healthy. You never know, she could turn out a right corker ?
I say finish her off, but do invest in some good seeds!
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 10:48 PM
yeah thats what i was thinking
shepstar
Apr 5 2004, 10:50 PM
she looks good to me
good luck with her
TOKIN TARQUIN
Apr 5 2004, 10:51 PM
no point throwing a good looking lady away m8
i didnt realise you was already growing i thought you was asking what seeds to buy
TT
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 10:52 PM
and my little babey ak 48
Vincent Vega
Apr 5 2004, 10:55 PM
still looking for a good

seed was thinking of pukka seed mixed some good strines
Vlad (the impala)
Apr 5 2004, 11:23 PM
just to set the record straight for newbies - most of the people here use the board shop for several reasons, not least that the small profits it generates keep the board up and running - profit is NOT the main motive! FDM is a small "boutique" breeder - he uses some of the very finest genetics available, and his seeds are held in extremely high esteem amongst the board members - I reckon you would have to pay a helluva lot more to get seeds of comparable quality from elsewhere.
Vincent Vega
Apr 6 2004, 12:29 AM
you got me convinced
FDM 50/50 mix it is for me from uk 420 store very goog deal.......
nav182
Apr 6 2004, 01:04 AM
Hi justanotherstoner
Don't make the mistake of thinking we're trying to drum up business by recommending the UK420 shop. If you hang around you'll find that the people that run this site really know what they're talking about. I've lurked in many sites before but never posted until I found UK420. The rest usually are motivated by pure financial gain and are always only interested in selling you their products. Here it's different, if you never buy anything you'll still get the best advice and help for sweet fuck all. However from what I've seen (And I've only been posting last week, lurking for about 3 months) the uk420 shop offers tried and tested products from people who know what they're talking about.
If I'm wrong I'll eat my own underpants!!!!!
Nav
Red Dragon
Apr 6 2004, 07:35 AM
Ok, tuppence worth from a newbie;
I bought some Nirvana seeds a while back, (way before I got involved with UK420). I didn't know any better and the price was OK, so I bought them!
Since then I was warned off Nirvana genetics at every turn, and for the most part I listened, and I am now growing DP Sk#1 and FDM C99.
BUT, (just to play devils advocate), if you already have the seeds and they are growing well, (as your pics would suggest), then I would let them go the course, as you may be pleasantly surprised.
My "significant other" is currently finishing a grow of
Nirvana Silver Pearl, (bought because it was a fast finisher - plain & simple)!
I think the results speak for themselves!
We had a sly taster last weekend, and now I can't wait for them to finish as the "stone" was wickid!
Just my tuppence worth, as I said!
Good luck with whatever you decide, (the
UK420 store sells lots of varieties...not just FDM)!
Peace.
RD
Vincent Vega
Apr 6 2004, 11:57 AM
thanks ub,.. and,, y ddraig goch,,,,,,,, your plants look good to

happey smokeing when there finsinh off.....
mattymattmatt
Apr 18 2004, 01:50 AM
im growing nirvana papaya this year! Ive heard nothing but praise for this company. Especially at the price you cant really complain can you??
They are better than kc.
I grew 10 seeds from kc 2 year ago all were males. The luck of the draw i know but it makes you think.
| QUOTE (mattymattmatt @ Apr 18 2004, 01:50 AM) |
| Ive heard nothing but praise for this company. |
Selective hearing maybe??
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 10:25 AM
| QUOTE |
| Selective hearing maybe?? |
or talking to the wrong people
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 10:42 AM
If you look in the strainguide on OG nirvana didn't do badly overall especially White Rhino!
Check it -
www.overgrow.com/strainguide/Nirvana/
VRG
Apr 19 2004, 10:51 AM
| QUOTE |
| If you look in the strainguide on OG nirvana didn't do badly overall especially White Rhino! |
Gypsy Nirvanna is a BIG OG sponsor mate.
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 10:52 AM
I was speaking fom experience, not just hearsay

Wasted almost a year of growing time pissing about with Nirvanas piss poor genetics, trying to find somthing good
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 11:00 AM
You should check the link before making judgement the strainguide is based on experience not hearsay. Its probably the best resource on the web for finding out about the differences between stains.
Please take a minute to check it out at -
www.overgrow.com/strainguide
Check out White Rhino at -
www.overgrow.com/strainguide/Nirvana/White_Rhino/
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 11:09 AM
| QUOTE (tomcat69 @ Apr 19 2004, 12:00 PM) |
You should check the link before making judgement the strainguide is based on experience not hearsay. Its probably the best resource on the web for finding out about the differences between stains.
Please take a minute to check it out at - www.overgrow.com/strainguide
Check out White Rhino at - www.overgrow.com/strainguide/Nirvana/White_Rhino/ |
i've already checked them
like i said, my conclusuion about nirvana seeds is based on 1st hand experience, and not on how many packs i got as freebies from an OG sponsor
webby
Apr 19 2004, 11:21 AM
| QUOTE (VRG @ Apr 19 2004, 11:51 AM) |
Gypsy Nirvanna is a BIG OG sponsor mate. |
You're gettin the 2 mixed up VRG bud
Nirvana and Gypsy Nirvana are 2 totally different companies I think
Gypsy Nirvana/Seeds Direct have a pretty cool shop in Amsterdam, they build pretty cool but friggin pricey Curing box's, they are a seed retailer just as UK420.
Nirvana Seeds are just

That's speaking with experience and from posts I have seen, must say tho, when starting out I would never have contemplated on spending vast amount of monies on seeds, but now I've got burnt fingers from there genetics and have found a pretty cool place to get seeds from
420 store you can get some pretty cheap there
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 11:22 AM
If the strainguide was based on people being 'bribed' then there wouldn't be any bad reviews would there? There are good and bad reviews for all seedbanks from Sensi to Nirvana. If everything we did was based on 1st hand experience and we didn't trust other then this website wouldn't exist because no-one would take and advice from anyone else. Your 1st hand experience is a tiny fraction of peoples experiences with Nirvana. If we go by your logic then how does anyone know that FDM isn't giving away seeds to promote themselves on this site?
Unless you know for a fact that Nirvana are giving away seeds on OG to get peeps to reccomend them then you have no argument and each review in that strainguide is equally as valid as your view.
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 11:23 AM
| QUOTE (webby @ Apr 19 2004, 12:21 PM) |
Gypsy Nirvana/Seeds Direct have a pretty cool shop in Amsterdam, they build pretty cool but friggin pricey Curing box's, they are a seed retailer just as UK420. |
If you visit there on your Am Dam tour remember to say 'Overgrow' to BongGuru.
You'll get a free bonghit
webby
Apr 19 2004, 11:26 AM
So why don't you buy some Nirvana seeds then Tomcat mate and see where peeps are coming from
Like you say there is no need for first hand experience, which is why you are getting suggestions here, I suggest you take note, failing that try them for yourself and don't give us "theses beans are crap" rubbish
Best of luck with whatever you decide to do mate
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 11:43 AM
Joolz & Webby -
Are any of you a rival seedbank to Nirvana?
I have personally smoked nirvana White Rhino because a mate grew it from my reccomendation and it's THE BOMB. Am I gonna get accused of being bribed now because I actually enjoyed a nirvana strain?
Can't be bothered to argue with you, all I was saying is that your opinions are just that - your opinions, I was just giving people a link to in IMHO the best resource which gives hundreds of UNBIASED opinion on strains.
WWW.OVERGROW.COM/STRAINGUIDE
In IMHO easily the best guide to strains on the net. If any of u know a better one, holla back
TC
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 11:54 AM
OT whats your opinion on the subject?
Tc
utopiate
Apr 19 2004, 11:56 AM
| QUOTE |
| Unless you know for a fact that Nirvana are giving away seeds on OG to get peeps to reccomend them then you have no argument and each review in that strainguide is equally as valid as your view. |
It is a fact, when GN arrived at overgrow (2000-ish) he gave many nirvana seeds away, I was there, the seeds were grown and pronounced shit, I seem to remember. All there archieved on your beloved OG
And gypsy is connected to nirvana seeds, He is married to Mau's (Nirvana seedbank proprietor) daughter. And bonguru got sacked a while ago.
And I think nirvana seeds did some kind of service to growers by lowering the price of seeds, though at the same time lowering the bar when it came to unscrupulous seed making. But I'm sure that has mostly been the case in our illicit market.
And if you think white rhino is the BOMB, you wait 'til you try cannabis.
U
webby
Apr 19 2004, 12:07 PM
I didn't mean to sound a tad harsh m8, just don't want you to feel disapointed
Yeah sure some nirvana strains turn out to be quite nice, I'm not knocking that, just that out of a pack of 10 seeds if all 10 germinate you may be pretty lucky to get 2 or pos 3 females, that's £4 per female where as with other breeders they may have a much better success rate, someone please correct me if I'm wrong
I've grown out 'ICE' and not a single female in sight, I've grown out a couple of "Snow White", these were the fem ones, they appeared as 2 totally different plants, one turned hermie and the other grew to apprear to be a very nice plant (yield, tichome formation etc), but the taste

If you like 'Turkish Delight' then you'll like this, the mrs likes it just for the taste tho, cos the high is pretty lame
At the end of the day m8 only your own experience can really show you the way, if you don't wanna listen to peeps advise then so be it, just be sure thats all
Best of luck with it all
StonedBrittania
Apr 19 2004, 12:13 PM
I can understand people not liking Nirvana as a company due to them ripping off many other breeders, but speaking from experience I have had excellent results with nirvana strains i've grown, out of 2 White Rhino seeds both were females, one was given to a mate and the other yielded over 7oz of some of the strongest bud I have ever tried, also to my suprise both plants were identical at the time they were split up. Not bad for a tenner me thinks!
SB
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 12:18 PM
It is a fact, when GN arrived at overgrow (2000-ish) he gave many nirvana seeds away, I was there, the seeds were grown and pronounced shit, I seem to remember. All there archieved on your beloved OG
And gypsy is connected to nirvana seeds, He is married to Mau's (Nirvana seedbank proprietor) daughter. And bonguru got sacked a while ago.
And I think nirvana seeds did some kind of service to growers by lowering the price of seeds, though at the same time lowering the bar when it came to unscrupulous seed making. But I'm sure that has mostly been the case in our illicit market.
WTF does that prove?
And if you think white rhino is the BOMB, you wait 'til you try cannabis.
That's very mature, what's your mental age? Maybe you should start your own school of wit.
TC
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 12:25 PM
| QUOTE (tomcat69 @ Apr 19 2004, 12:43 PM) |
Joolz & Webby -
Are any of you a rival seedbank to Nirvana?
|
Do you work for nirvana ?
i'm not a trying to be a rival to anyone.
I would just like to see people grow good weed.
| QUOTE |
| I have personally smoked nirvana White Rhino because a mate grew it from my reccomendation and it's THE BOMB. Am I gonna get accused of being bribed now because I actually enjoyed a nirvana strain? |
I've grown and smoked it
it wasn't very good
I've actualy germinated most of the nirvana catalogue at some point or other and nearly all were binned for one reason or another before they got chance to go into the main flowering room.
from those that did get finished, i didn't find a single one that was anything like the strain it was copied from or worth smoking.
most of my nirvana crop ended up in a tin marked ' for guest use only'
But don't let my opinion stop you, if thats what you want to grow, i wish you luck
| QUOTE |
I was just giving people a link to in IMHO the best resource which gives hundreds of UNBIASED opinion on strains. |
no, you were singing the praises of nirvana genetics based on others opinions
I only offered you my own
Sorry if it caused you any offence
If you are looking for truly unbiased opinions on strains you should check out the Original Strainbase available to download
here
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 12:37 PM
Sorry no offence meant to anyone but the strainguide here on UK420 seems to be basically repeating information from the seedbanks catalogue - do you think seedbanks are unbiased about their own products?
The one on overgrow is built upon homegrowers reports of what they have grown along with pics of the actual grow and a smoke report. It has on average at least 1 new report everyday and is put together in such a way you can select the strain you want and read reports by numerous people.
It seems a lot of people on this site have a problem with OG, why is that?
TC
oldtimer1
Apr 19 2004, 12:40 PM
| QUOTE (tomcat69 @ Apr 19 2004, 01:18 PM) |
| That's very mature, what's your mental age? Maybe you should start your own school of wit. |
This is not overgrow please do not be abusive or make personal remarks.
It is a pretty subjective subject. I have grown most of the sensi seed bank, Green house and Dutch Passion catalogue. None of them are in what I class as potent cannabis. Thats only my opinion and for sure does not coincide with most peoples opinion. If a white weed rocks your world, thats fine for you, I don’t see what your problem is.
Some of nirvanas copies may be as good. The vast bulk of feedback we have had from members on nirvana has been that they are poor. If you want any J will get them in for you no problem at a very good price.
U was not being provocative he probably holds vars that the Dutch cartels would give thousands for.
Joolz
Apr 19 2004, 12:48 PM
| QUOTE (tomcat69 @ Apr 19 2004, 01:37 PM) |
Sorry no offence meant to anyone but the strainguide here on UK420 seems to be basically repeating information from the seedbanks catalogue - do you think seedbanks are unbiased about their own products? |
what, the downloadable pdf files ?
| QUOTE |
It seems a lot of people on this site have a problem with OG, why is that?
|
not me mate
I've been a member over there longer than i've been a member here
ovegrow.com is a great cannabis resource
spartacus
Apr 19 2004, 01:05 PM
dunno 'bout og-mibbe give it a browse.
had only good things to say about ice, by nirvana . . . not outstanding, but not bad at all-nice yield, strength and quick finisher . . . havent tried any others(i think) so couldn't comment-their main advantage is, i would agree, price.
yes, there are better varieties, but for most newcomers, price and setup are higher priorities than particular genetics . . .
tomcat69
Apr 19 2004, 01:06 PM
Yeah the pdf files, they haven't been updated as far as I can tell for a good six months. Some of the strains have a grow report some of them have just the breeders description.
TC
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