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QUOTE(Scribble @ Apr 2 2007, 11:14 AM) [snapback]906924[/snapback]
Most PCs these days are behind ADSL/Wireless routers which have their own, built-in NAT firewalls, so this is a good extra layer of protection, but it doesn't mean that you can get away with having none running on you PC, as well.


Most Routers do have built in firewalls, which work great for inbound connections and provide good enough security. But I would use a software firewall aswell for outbound connections. Routers dont do much for outgoing connections.

Sygate or Outpost are the only firewall's I'd recommend using, alongside NOD32 as an antivirus is a good combination.
Scribb|e
I presume that you've been to grc.com's 'Shields Up' site then? whistling.gif

Your machine would probably feel a lot lighter on it's feet, and boot a lot faster etc., if you got rid of the unbelievably crappy Norton suite and replaced it with better, separate components. (Like, say, Zone Alarm or BlackICE firewall, and F-PROT or NOD32 antivirus for example)

Spybot S&D and AdAware are a good combo to run to keep an eye out for ad/malware, HiJackThis is very good, too, but you *do* need someone who knows the score to review it's logs so that they can tell you what's good to go, and what to keep etc.

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scoobs
If you don't want to install an AV, try Panda Antivirus -its very good. http://www.pandasoftware.com/products/ActiveScan.htm
I use Microsofts One Care - which despte all the Microsoft Corp doomsayers is absolutly excellent.

Good luck with your choice,
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Wiz
Spyware Doctor is amazing imo. The new version also comes with a free version of their anti-virus, although am not sure how good that is, only just installed it.

I've also just started to use pctools's free firewall. It seems ok but the only problem is that my pc keeps giving me a security alert saying that I have no firewall installed when I have. Does anyone reckon there is summink wrong with that? I thought it should surely recognize the pctools firewall? unsure.gif

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Scribb|e
If it's XP you're on about, then it's 'Security Centre' doesn't recognize a lot of firewalls and anti-virus programs, even though they're installed and working just fine.

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Wiz
QUOTE(Scribble @ Jul 24 2007, 07:15 PM) [snapback]1030784[/snapback]
If it's XP you're on about, then it's 'Security Centre' doesn't recognize a lot of firewalls and anti-virus programs, even though they're installed and working just fine.

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Cheers mate thumbsup.gif yeah it's XP, I was just a tad worried to whether it was working right or not. I've always used Mcafee in the past but their new AIO Suite is a bit cack, more like Norton and drains the hell outta ya memory so I thought I'd try summut new.

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pete3867
spyware doctor is the best one
and the best anti virus is NOD 32
180
Host files are good at blocking shite from getting on your pc , they are free small text files that use no resources , there are a few different ones about but this ones good. http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm . Spybot , Adaware etc wont't find much/anything if you use one.
Another useful security thing you may want to consider if use Internet explorer is , in the top tool bar of ie click on , tools > internet options > advanced and under browsing untick > enable third party browser extensions then scroll down and under security make sure that > do not save encrypted pages to disk is ticked , click > apply> ok when done
Hope this helps.

FaithJones
HELP HELP HELP
Disaster - went on the Internet yesterday everything going fine - boom my laptop freezes so I turn it off and turn it back on
Everything is fine then after 30 minute ~Boom computer freezes
So I turn it off and back on ran spyware at this point coz I'm getting worried - I have 101 trojan and can't get them off with the anti spyware I have - the good one doesn't detect them and the one I can't afford does but doesn't remove then (It a 30 month free trial thing I was testing out).
And it's slowly killing my hard drive - now when I turn it on The start menu and the desktop icons doesn't come up I have to do everything threw task manager

Can any one help I need a free spyware, that will detect trojen and viruses and will get rid of them at the same time.

I'm using advance windowscare V2, spyware terminator (actually really good) and PC tools.

It turns out my firewall was dis activated for 30 minute and some how I just got attack lol.gif

Like I said before any help would be much appreciated
BushDoctoR
i passed those sheilds up tests smile.gif

my security is.....

McAfee security centre

adaware & spybot

firefox with noscript


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Scribb|e
If that's the 'Shields Up' test at grc.com, that just tests your firewall to check that its dropping unsolicited incoming connections - nothing more. wink1.gif

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Davyboy
Try Trend micro housecall,this usually sorts it out. Free online scanner and cleaner,always works for me.
deepchord
I.T. Geek here. Symantec Client Security, adaware se pro (latest adaware sucks) and tracks eraser pro. Eraser 5.84 set to guttmann algorithm (35 passes) for deleting and single pass pseudorandom data erasing free space every night. Spy Sweeper is good but very resource intensive these days.

Unfortunately the only way to ensure that data cannot be recovered, even after all these measures, is to take a big friggin' hammer to the disk.

Please PM me if you want to know a good place to get all this sort of stuff.
Scribb|e
QUOTE(deepchord @ Jan 30 2008, 05:04 PM) *
Symantec Client Security...

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Unfortunately the only way to ensure that data cannot be recovered, even after all these measures, is to take a big friggin' hammer to the disk.

Not true - all drives from about 20GB onwards (starting with Seagate) have a Secure Erase function built into the firmware/hardware (information and program available here), and not only is it quick, no-one's going to be reading any data from that drive once it's been Secure Erased. thumbsup.gif

I recommend a read of this document, Drive-Independent Data Recovery: The Current State-of-the-Art, to get a handle on what the score is with data recovery these days. thumbsup.gif

If you're that paranoid, and really want to do somthing about it, I'd suggest using something decent like the great, free, open-source TrueCrpyt to transparently & v. securely encrpyt any partitions you want to keep private. (Hell, even encrpyt your OS drive and your swap/page file if you want. wink1.gif)

Welcome to UK420, BTW. wink1.gif

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deepchord
QUOTE(Scribble @ Jan 30 2008, 11:47 PM) *
QUOTE(deepchord @ Jan 30 2008, 05:04 PM) *
Symantec Client Security...

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Unfortunately the only way to ensure that data cannot be recovered, even after all these measures, is to take a big friggin' hammer to the disk.

Not true - all drives from about 20GB onwards (starting with Seagate) have a Secure Erase function built into the firmware/hardware (information and program available here), and not only is it quick, no-one's going to be reading any data from that drive once it's been Secure Erased. thumbsup.gif

I recommend a read of this document, Drive-Independent Data Recovery: The Current State-of-the-Art, to get a handle on what the score is with data recovery these days. thumbsup.gif

If you're that paranoid, and really want to do somthing about it, I'd suggest using something decent like the great, free, open-source TrueCrpyt to transparently & v. securely encrpyt any partitions you want to keep private. (Hell, even encrpyt your OS drive and your swap/page file if you want. wink1.gif)

Welcome to UK420, BTW. wink1.gif

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Growing... just learning... IT... Sorry m8 been at it 20 years (WANG 8" floppies anyone?). Thanks for the welcome smile.gif

Nothing can be erased from a disk. Go and look up Gutmann algorithm, that's as secure as it gets; way beyond D.O.D standards and computer forensic peeps can use what can be described as a "digital lathe" to strip down through the microns on a hard disk to extract data that has been overwritten hundreds if not thousands of times.

The reason i use symantec corporate (SCS 10.1.6.0000) is that it never needs a license. That in conjunction with adaware, and of course firefox, give me reasonable protection. My tracks eraser pro erases all my temp internet data with 10 passes every time i close firefox (and data from any other apps where the plug-in is loaded) I use eraser as it uses the gutmann algorithm (35 passes of pseudorandon data) just to wipe my data ass so to speak. I do not wish to be blase about the "secure erase" function but i am going to be... I do not need to look it up as it is bollocks! It takes about 20 hours to do a 35 pass gutmann on a 500GB SATA II. If the old bill come kicking your door in the only way to render your hard drive unreadable in 30 seconds is to petrol bomb your PC and kick 19 different colours of shit out of your hard drive with a very large sledgehammer. Since i am not an international terrorist such as the Jackal (Ilyich Ramirez Sanchez) my moderate protection is enough and keeps my machine relatively kak free. (got to love the dutch) Did you know that the term poppycock comes from the dutch Pape Kak, meaning soft shit? fascinating.


If anyone would like the address of a nice friendly forum where they can satiate their needs for software then pm me.

deepchord
Just to prattle on a bit more... all encryption is preventative. Nothing more. It is just a matter of scale. If you have the processing power all encryption can be cracked eventually. To break triple DES or 256 bit AES encryption you would need many thousand machines and many years... but they can be broken.

And...


If you are a conspiracy theorist then encryption is no use because big brother has all the keys.
Wiz
I used to have a program that shredded my crap with the gutmann method. I think it was the old McAfee 2006 but not sure. Used to get 3 options.. standard - 3 passes... ministry of defense - 7 passes... Gutmann method - 10 passes. Anything important always went through the Gutmann method. Took bloody ages but I felt safe.

What other programs out there use this method deepchord?
deepchord
QUOTE(Wiz @ Feb 8 2008, 04:43 PM) *
I used to have a program that shredded my crap with the gutmann method. I think it was the old McAfee 2006 but not sure. Used to get 3 options.. standard - 3 passes... ministry of defense - 7 passes... Gutmann method - 10 passes. Anything important always went through the Gutmann method. Took bloody ages but I felt safe.

What other programs out there use this method deepchord?


10 passes would not have been the full Gutmann algorithm. Gutmann is 35 passes of pseudorandom data and takes a bloody long time. Eraser 5.8 does the job (free). I schedule it to do one pass every night on free disk space on my laptop, pc and servers, (not gutmann so it finishes at 5:00AM). When i delete sensitive files with eraser it is set to use gutmann. You can set up eraser to use gutmann on file and folder deletes and single pass on free disk space in a schedued task (and there's a few in between: D.O.D 7 pass etc). I can thoroughly recommend tracks eraser pro for basic clean up at browser shutdown, pm me for where to obtain. Norton gets a lot of flak, and deservedly so, but the corporate arm (symantec) products are ok. They do not need activated or a license key as they are sold on trust to companies who license per seat. Let me know if you want links for a friendly forum with a veritable cornucopia of warez and other stuff. There are other eraser utes that use gutmann. If i am decomming a customer's scsi drives and they are going to be re-used (so I can't smash the shit out of them) I'll use a boot cd with a dos based ute on it that uses gutmann. (hiren's boot cd - essential tools).
Greenthumb_420
Dunno if anyones posted similar, but I thought I'd add me 2cents to this thread...

I recently had to reinstall XP and so I decided that I REALLY can't be arsed going through reinstalling everything every year or so, so I got hold of a disc imaging program & a partitioning program and turned my C: into, 50GB C: (NFTS), D:(120odd GB, NFTS) and a E:50GB (FAT32, bootable). Whereby C: is now solely for the OS & programs, D: is solely a data drive & E: would be a bootable IMAGE of C: on a FAT32 file system.

I copied all files of worth from C: to an external HDD & formatted C: prior to partitioning it.

Now, when I had reinstalled the OS & all my main programs, my C: was say knocking on 30GB. So I used the disc imaging software to copy C: to E:, the FAT32 partition. Now all my OS & programs are backed up ready to be reinstalled back to the computers 'FRESH' state, all data is on D: and IF I get problems again that pass my anti virus & firewall etc, or windows just gets 'clogged up' with crap over time that would entail me reinstalling the whole OS and programs, it instead takes about 15 minutes to copy E: over C:, quick and easy!

I was happy I worked out how to do this. It's piss easy and gives you total peace of mind!

(Sorry if that's been covered already, I couldn't read through 13 pages in work! wink1.gif
Gr33nLungs
by far the best ive come across is kaspersky
fruityjuice101
For protection I run PrevX, it's a bloody good bit of programming and it nukes any nasties that make it through it's real-time process and background monitor.

I got a bit of malware installed with a game and within 10 seconds of it being on the system it had found it, stopped everything, isolated it and asked me to nuke it, after a restart a process scan is the first thing that runs to catch anything that's tried to sneak in after the initial malware removal, finds it and nukes it, another restart and everything is clean as a whistle again.

15 quid for a year, checks the files against an online database that is kept well up to date, very comprehensive.

I also run key scrambler to ensure that no logger software is able to record even if it did sneak through. Plus the key is not download porn or .exe's that are rips as 9/10 this is where the shite comes from.
Scribb|e
You have to do all that shit just so that you can run an OS that might stay up for a day or two - if you're lucky - and that's inbetween bi-monthly re-installs because of cruft and instability. spliff.gif

I'm just so happy that I don't have to bother with any of that for myself anymore, after I moved into using Linux/BSD OSes years ago. thumbsup.gif
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fruityjuice101
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You have to do all that shit just so that you can run an OS that might stay up for a day or two - if you're lucky - and that's inbetween bi-monthly re-installs because of cruft and instability. spliff.gif

I'm just so happy that I don't have to bother with any of that for myself anymore, after I moved into using Linux/BSD OSes years ago. thumbsup.gif
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Alright alright, rub it in.

Actually I'm getting on with windoze at the moment, it's all tuned to my liking and after clocking the beast it's nice and fast. My system is incredibly stable (touching wood) I've never had it fail on me. Once I turned all that auto update crap off and all the other shite that continually tries to contact microsoft, and the vulnerabilities - like the remote access jobby etc. Running SP3 and it's doing ok, get my updates in chunks when I want them. This thing should be tighter than fort knox - I'm a tinfoil hat wearer when it comes to PC's. I like linux, but I like my games more (main reason I have a PC is for gaming entertainment and photo editing, that's it.) If you're telling me that linux would run my favourite games, as well as Photoshop CS3 then I'll look into it.... I like the Ubuntu Linux, any particular recommendations, there's the Red Hat or something as well , isn't that supposed to be one of the better ones!?

In fact when I get my next PC I'm going to install Linux on one drive and doze on the other for my windows apps. I have had a very brief go on Linux a long time ago and it was very stable, I liked it, but I have FAR too much stuff on my current drives to switch it all over (800 gigs unsure.gif)...
aiden_h
I use Virgin Media for my broadband and it comes with a security centre (firewall, virus scanner and removal, spy ware removal) but for good measure i use Advanced Windows Care V2 personal. This is a good all round program that not only takes care of the security but optimises your computer and sorts your reg out properly too.

And a TCP optimiser just to make sure my connection is working fine too.

You can get the TCP optimiser and the Advanced Windows Care from download.com

This is keeping my computer fast, stable and (as far as i know) virus, spy ware, all that stuff, free.

All updated every week.
ukscroger
This thread is huge, recomend COMODO firewall- dont know if its been mentioned already, everyone should use it. Check their site and you can see they are legit. Well worth taking the time to get used to using it.
stuwyatt
For those who just use their computer to browse/email/etc and aren't interested in games and the like... it may be worth considering Ubuntu Linux. I made the switch a few months ago, and haven't looked back. I can do everything that I used to do in Windoze, and it comes with a full wordprocessing/spreadsheet/powerpoint suite as standard (openoffice). There is virtually zero chance that you will ever be affected by spyware/trojans. My system runs a hell of a lot faster than it ever did under windows.

There is a massive free software library...

And to top it off, ITS FREE!

http://www.ubuntu.com/
Father McPot
Tried a search, but couldn't find anything on virus/hack protection for Mac. Can anyone recommend a (preferably free) program?
Sylar
In the real world (is the net the real world, discuss) iam involved with system (in)security.

I hope the following is of intrest and would suggest you should have the following security tools on your machine.

AV


Their really is nothing to chose between AVs, i see many examples of malware every day that are detected by AV a + B but missed by C + D etc etc, genenraly we check 41 AVs with each piece of malware, its very rare for any malware to be detected by more than 50% of them, so what ever you have, it WILL miss SOME malware. So further protection is required. However you must NOT run more than one AV at a time, they will conflict and you end up with less protection, not more.


Firewall

If you use a Router, it will contain a NAT firewall, that is the strongest type of firewall you can have, and will protect all the machines behind that router.

You should also use a software firewall, there are many free ones available, and most (all) internet secuirty suites contain them, again its a matter of choice to what you use. One word of caution, the bulit in firewall that comes with windows XP is one way only, it will stop inbound traffic, but not unathorised outgoing traffic, so if you get infected the malware can still phone home for more, so use a third party firewall, not XPs. Windows vista and 7 are both two way firewalls.


AntiMalware/AntiSpyware

MalwareBytesAntiMalware is currently about the best in this class, and it has a free version, the paid version gives you real time protection, the free doesnt, but has all the other facilites that are available in the paid version. Just keep it updated and run regular scans with it, it will rip out most malware that gets past the AV. Mbam is currently the first tool of choice used by the malware cleaning community.

Spybot used to be very good, but in general has fallen far behind MBAM in its efficeny, however it does have one very good tool included, tea timer, and is well worth using just for that, see below for more details.


Registry protection

Not everyone is aware of this class of protection. Most malware will attempt to make changes to your machines registry, if you can block unathorised changes, the malware cant install itself, so you stay safe(er). The best way of achieveing this is by way of one of two tools,

Tea Timer which is part of Spybot.

WinPatrol both programs are free (winpatrol has a paid option, but that isnt needed to get the full protection provided by the programe) and will protect you against unauthorised changes beng made to your registry. You can use both programes together, i have both installed on all my machines, and havnt seen a conflict yet. One word of advice, when you install a new programe, both spybot and winpatrol will see the registry changes the new programe makes, and will ask your permission to accept of decline the change, you will have to accept the changes for new programs you install, or they wont work!


Other

Sandboxie is a programe that runs other programes, such as your browser within a "protected enviroment", it works a bit like an internal firewall and limits a programes activites to the sandbox, so any malware is restricted to the sandbox and cant spread to the rest of the machine. Sandboxie is shareware, with a nag screen after 30 days.
dracid
My two cents,

Currently I am using Peerblock and Kaspersky Inernet Security to protect my computer,



Peerblock


Used to block ip attacks that can occur when using p2p software such as torrent, it also is quite efficient at blocking adds, and trojan attacks
( below taken from the website)

PeerBlock lets you control who your computer "talks to" on the Internet. By selecting appropriate lists of "known bad" computers, you can block communication with advertising or spyware oriented servers, computers monitoring your p2p activities, computers which have been "hacked", even entire countries! They can't get in to your computer, and your computer won't try to send them anything either.

And best of all, it's free!

http://www.peerblock.com/



Kaspersky is a russian antivirus that has already been mentioned, it is easily the best antivirus program with consistent high results (around 98%) in testing compared to other programs such Norten and AVG. Kaspersky is also fairly affordable compared to other programs
cupotea
Right i will start off by saying i no f all about computors and the internet. stoned.gif I had a McAfee security center internet security thing for the last 2 years that came free with my broadband, that ran out and it wouldnt let me do a free trial so i deleted it and got a Kapersky internet security suite free 30 day trial, now that is coming to the end i have 1 week left with it. Now what should i do? what other good free internet security are there? what should i get and where from?
and what do i actually need, as in firwall etc? and it has to be free. remember i no nothing lol.gif
i hope someone can help me as i only got 1 week left? thanks

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Scribb|e
AVG is free and quite good and MBAM is excellent for doing the odd scan of the PC for malware. thumbsup.gif
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cupotea
thanks Scribble wink.gif
is that AVG all i need to be "safe" on the internet?

sorry for the stupid questions but i somehow got left behind with all this computer buisness stoned.gif
Scribb|e
Keep it updated and do the odd scan with MBAM and maybe SuperAntiSpyware and all should be well. thumbsup.gif
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cupotea
thank you scribble thumbsup.gif
JustSayMaybe
For anyone using p2p I've found Peerblocker from phoenixlabs to be excellent. I was using Peerguardian2, also from phoenixlabs, but it stopped updating and i got sick of reinstalling it everytime.

When using either, i allow html as many sites dont work if you block it.

When running it, check out who its blocking......scarey stuff. Lots of media lawyers, national defence organisations and some really weird ones too. The Libyan Oil Ministry being one that springs to mind.

JSM
groovelick
Could you legally knee cap the writers of browser hijack's or bill them for the hastle it causes.
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