Ok here goes;
I am a complete noob when it comes to this organic growing and whilst I still intend to grow using NFT, I believe there is "more than one way to skin a cat"!
So, with my NFT table tied up for (up to) another 8 weeks, I intend to do a soil grow in the meantime.
She who must be obeyed has talked me into the organic route so I would really appreciate some advice from the "wise elders" of UK420!
Right, my growing ingredients are going to be all-mix, fed with the boyo-bizz (welsh version) nutes.
I have spent some time looking at the bio-bizz gro-schedule but, being the thick truck driver that I am I don't really understand the "sliding scale" feed regime published in a recent post by OT1, (bio-bizz gro-schedule poster).
So here's my plan;
Seedlings will be germed in paper-towels, and then planted in All-mix. Question 1; is All-mix ok for young seedlings or will I need to buy light-mix as well.
I plan to plant the seedlings in 3 inch square pots for a couple of weeks then move them up to 6 inch square pots, at which time a feeding regime will begin. Finally the plants will be transplanted into 11 litre square pots for the "home-leg". Question 2; using All-mix, is it also necessary to use fish mix and alga-mic or is the all-mix/bio-bizz combination sufficient!
Using the Bio-Bizz schedule as my guide, I am having trouble understanding where grow ends, and bloom begins, (I'm reading grow for 2 weeks then bloom for 8+, but somehow that just doesn't sound enough "veg" time). If I am aways off base, please let me know!
I realise these questions have been answered time and again, so flame away if you will, but I know someone will answer this post so if you are he or she....many thanks from a "water-baby" who has decided to try one of the other grow methods!
Peace.
RD
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y_ddraig_goch You use grow throughout the cycle along with the bloom and topmax 1ml per litre
nice to see you - very fetching wellies! 
The biobizz feeding chart is designed for clones, so they go on 2 weeks vegging, and eight weeks flowering! I've found it remarkably accurate if you stick vaguely to the recommendations - use your eyes and noddle to guage if the plants look and feel right.
I reckon get allmix, grow and bloom, perhaps if you want to try them, Fish mix, topmax and rootjuice, but avoid algamic - OT has reported problems when using it.
I reckon you'd do fine with just grow and bloom, but if you fancy a tinker.............
Most people find light mix a bit of a waste, just mix some perlite into allmix to weaken it down for young plants and cuttings. Apart from the biobizz bits, all you should need is some epsom salts, and a hammock.................to collapse in and enjoy all the free time you'll have by going organic!
As I say to everyone growing in pots- just use eau de tap, forget ph, cfs and all that tosh - just leave nature to it!
The biobizz feeding chart is designed for clones, so they go on 2 weeks vegging, and eight weeks flowering! I've found it remarkably accurate if you stick vaguely to the recommendations - use your eyes and noddle to guage if the plants look and feel right.
I reckon get allmix, grow and bloom, perhaps if you want to try them, Fish mix, topmax and rootjuice, but avoid algamic - OT has reported problems when using it.
I reckon you'd do fine with just grow and bloom, but if you fancy a tinker.............
Most people find light mix a bit of a waste, just mix some perlite into allmix to weaken it down for young plants and cuttings. Apart from the biobizz bits, all you should need is some epsom salts, and a hammock.................to collapse in and enjoy all the free time you'll have by going organic!
As I say to everyone growing in pots- just use eau de tap, forget ph, cfs and all that tosh - just leave nature to it!
Cheers chaps;
Your advice is appreciated muchly.
Vlad....my "eau de tap" is currently "off the scale" at 7.6. Would you envisage any problems with this?
Apart from this I will follow your advice "to the letter". Many thanks again!
Merci
RD
Your advice is appreciated muchly.
Vlad....my "eau de tap" is currently "off the scale" at 7.6. Would you envisage any problems with this?
Apart from this I will follow your advice "to the letter". Many thanks again!
Merci
RD
blimey, that is hard! (as the actress said to the bishop!) 
As Biobizz is made by a Dutch company, I'd guess that it should work fine, as they have hard water too - my ph is somewhere around 7, and have never had any problems - doubtless ot will soon tell us if your water will need any special treatment
I admire your openmindedness in giving mudgrowing a twirl, and I'll be very happy to help all I can
As Biobizz is made by a Dutch company, I'd guess that it should work fine, as they have hard water too - my ph is somewhere around 7, and have never had any problems - doubtless ot will soon tell us if your water will need any special treatment
I admire your openmindedness in giving mudgrowing a twirl, and I'll be very happy to help all I can
Hi RD,
Did'nt take you long to get started hey
Not gonna be any help to your thread as I nothing about organis nutes
, will be reading with interest as it's defiaintly in my future plans. No need to PH 
sounds great!
Good luck with the grow.
SB
Did'nt take you long to get started hey
Not gonna be any help to your thread as I nothing about organis nutes
, will be reading with interest as it's defiaintly in my future plans. No need to PH sounds great!Good luck with the grow.
SB
Cheers Vlad;
Your advice is appreciated and if it helps get anywhere near the fantastic budz you created then I will be a happy man indeed, (cuz EO says I will ). Even going to get a pair of enviro's and a reflector, so we can do our bit for the environment!
Can't wait to get going, so be prepared for "expectant father" paranoia setting in if summat don't look right!
Hey SB!
Yeah didn't take long. Trouble is I'm still not sure what to go with, (so much to choose from), but I fancy trying some NL/BBXAfghani.....or maybe some PPP, (oh gawd, I will have a think during tonights long 12 hour drive).
Thanks again fella
Peace.
RD
Your advice is appreciated and if it helps get anywhere near the fantastic budz you created then I will be a happy man indeed, (cuz EO says I will
). Even going to get a pair of enviro's and a reflector, so we can do our bit for the environment!Can't wait to get going, so be prepared for "expectant father" paranoia setting in if summat don't look right!
Hey SB!
Yeah didn't take long. Trouble is I'm still not sure what to go with, (so much to choose from), but I fancy trying some NL/BBXAfghani.....or maybe some PPP, (oh gawd, I will have a think during tonights long 12 hour drive).
Thanks again fella
Peace.
RD
ok, this is where I enter true frootloop territory - I used canna terra flores to begin with, then went over to biobizz - the difference in the plants is so noticeable - they LOOK so much better, somehow not stressed, and have this wonderful healthy glow -sort of mellow is the only way to describe it! 
(just off to rearrange my crystals )
(just off to rearrange my crystals )
I still have some "Terra Flores" left but that will end up on the garden somewhere, (we will be the house with the monster cucumbers and the sunflowers & lelandi(??) causing a minor eclipse in Wales).
Would you recommend 2 "blue" enviros or one of each for the vegging phase?? I'm just waiting for Togs to get back to me before I place an order. (so much to learn, so little time to do it in).
Doubtless I will flower under my HPS, (I know I know...but one step at a time huh ).
Thanks again.
RD
Would you recommend 2 "blue" enviros or one of each for the vegging phase?? I'm just waiting for Togs to get back to me before I place an order. (so much to learn, so little time to do it in).
Doubtless I will flower under my HPS, (I know I know...but one step at a time huh
).Thanks again.
RD
if you're getting some enviros, I'd go for two blue ones, ideal for vegging, then you can always use them to supplement the spectrum of your big hps if needs be!
Cheers for that Vlad,
great advice that I can benefit from too, thanks.....
(you have no idea what I had to go through to get him around to my way of thinking.......
...oooeerrr doesn't bear thinking about!!)
EO
great advice that I can benefit from too, thanks.....
(you have no idea what I had to go through to get him around to my way of thinking.......
...oooeerrr doesn't bear thinking about!!)EO
| QUOTE (y_ddraig_goch @ Feb 23 2004, 05:34 PM) |
| my "eau de tap" is currently "off the scale" at 7.6. Would you envisage any problems with this? |
Ay up Red,
my water out the tap is about the same as yours (7 - 7.6). I use it straight away, rather than left standing for over 24 hours as the ph shoots up to at least 8.5!
I've had no probs using Allmix & Bizz feeds - but some strains have struggled from serious Mg & Fe deficiencies - so as was said be ready with the epsom salts & Maxi crop + Fe
Welcome to the world of mud bud
Hey RD whats up buddy ?
So your going soil eh ?
I use Bio-bizz grow and bloom but made the mistake of feeding to early, remember you have about 2 weeks after repotting without the need to add the nutes.
Also get yourself some citric acid and cheap Ph test kit. You can get the citric acid from Wilkinsons in the brewers section, its about 60p.
Use about half a teaspoon into 5 litres of water, buy yourself one of those cheap 5 litre bottles of diluted orange, thats what I use and a half level teaspoon of that will bring your PH down to about 5-5 - 6.
I've read from OT that All-Mix depending on strain maybe to rich on its own, I use B and Q seedling compost and that does nicely. If you are going to use All-Mix try using 30% perlite.
All the best with it you two
Respect and Later
S.A.
As for the bio-bizz chart I think it maybe a little to much, I woulnt worry about which week is which, just keep adding the 1ml per litre of bb grow to your 3-4 ml of bloom when you start flowering.
So your going soil eh ?
I use Bio-bizz grow and bloom but made the mistake of feeding to early, remember you have about 2 weeks after repotting without the need to add the nutes.
Also get yourself some citric acid and cheap Ph test kit. You can get the citric acid from Wilkinsons in the brewers section, its about 60p.
Use about half a teaspoon into 5 litres of water, buy yourself one of those cheap 5 litre bottles of diluted orange, thats what I use and a half level teaspoon of that will bring your PH down to about 5-5 - 6.
I've read from OT that All-Mix depending on strain maybe to rich on its own, I use B and Q seedling compost and that does nicely. If you are going to use All-Mix try using 30% perlite.
All the best with it you two
Respect and Later
S.A.
As for the bio-bizz chart I think it maybe a little to much, I woulnt worry about which week is which, just keep adding the 1ml per litre of bb grow to your 3-4 ml of bloom when you start flowering.
| QUOTE (y_ddraig_goch @ Feb 23 2004, 05:19 PM) |
| Right, my growing ingredients are going to be all-mix, fed with the boyo-bizz (welsh version) nutes. |
lmao
I don't think you'll be disappointed RD
Biobizz gets my seal of approval, its dead easy to use and gives stunning results.
My tomatoes have never looked so good
The BioBizz chart is for rooted cuttings not seedlings.
The optimum ph of the compost for maintaining health and growth is 6.5 to 6.8. It is much harder for the compost to buffer up than to buffer down.
I don't know how many time I have to say this, if you do ph down not below 6.5! You will mess up the micro flora and if not very careful ruin the compost..
In answer to your Q's Mr Dragon your programme vis 3 inch to 6 inch to 11 litre is fine. But for the 3 inch pots use half and half allmix and perlite.
As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix.
Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12.
You should not need any feed right through these stages. Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of grow and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
Does this make sense?
An added point, if you see the tissue between the veins on the lower leaves turning a lighter green at any point its likly the first signs of Mg shortage starting an addition of a little epsom salts to the next feed should keep things right. Don’t over do this or else you can lock out other nutrients.
Being a puter man you will love this, I just spent an hr or more trying to find out why my new fire wire drive just would not mount on the desk top. I reinstalled all the extentions/drivers nadt. Then it occored to me it might work if I plugged the firewire cable in. Ot "good with plants shit with computers"
The optimum ph of the compost for maintaining health and growth is 6.5 to 6.8. It is much harder for the compost to buffer up than to buffer down.
I don't know how many time I have to say this, if you do ph down not below 6.5! You will mess up the micro flora and if not very careful ruin the compost..
In answer to your Q's Mr Dragon your programme vis 3 inch to 6 inch to 11 litre is fine. But for the 3 inch pots use half and half allmix and perlite.
As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix.
Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12.
You should not need any feed right through these stages. Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of grow and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
Does this make sense?
An added point, if you see the tissue between the veins on the lower leaves turning a lighter green at any point its likly the first signs of Mg shortage starting an addition of a little epsom salts to the next feed should keep things right. Don’t over do this or else you can lock out other nutrients.
Being a puter man you will love this, I just spent an hr or more trying to find out why my new fire wire drive just would not mount on the desk top. I reinstalled all the extentions/drivers nadt. Then it occored to me it might work if I plugged the firewire cable in. Ot "good with plants shit with computers"
Blimey, everyone is growing in soil all of a sudden.
Even me!
Yep, I have decided to see what the difference is (purely for academic reasons you understand), and so my trusty NFT table has gone in the shed, and I now have 10 5 litre pots of Allmix sat in my grow area, with a nice selection of plants (NL5xHaze, Blueberry, Black Dominia and SP2).
Will be interesting to see hows yours comes on RD.
Gotta admit though, it feels somehow.....wrong, not making up my usual mad scientist mix for hydro
Even me!
Yep, I have decided to see what the difference is (purely for academic reasons you understand), and so my trusty NFT table has gone in the shed, and I now have 10 5 litre pots of Allmix sat in my grow area, with a nice selection of plants (NL5xHaze, Blueberry, Black Dominia and SP2).
Will be interesting to see hows yours comes on RD.
Gotta admit though, it feels somehow.....wrong, not making up my usual mad scientist mix for hydro
| QUOTE (OMH @ Feb 23 2004, 11:03 PM) |
| Gotta admit though, it feels somehow.....wrong, not making up my usual mad scientist mix for hydro |
You know it ! Stop! Think about what your doing man!!!
Not MUD!
You'll get withdrawals i tell ya!
Its alright mate. It will probably go badly tits up, and cos its mud I won't be able to adjust things to sort it properly.
And I will end up with a couple of ounces of airy fluff from the kilowatt of power I chuck at it........and will then go back to my beloved NFT table, with a big smug expression on my face
And I will end up with a couple of ounces of airy fluff from the kilowatt of power I chuck at it........and will then go back to my beloved NFT table, with a big smug expression on my face
I think they must have got wind of the pagan fertility rites come spring down in the organic section!
| QUOTE (OMH @ Feb 23 2004, 11:13 PM) |
| And I will end up with a couple of ounces of airy fluff from the kilowatt of power I chuck at it........and will then go back to my beloved NFT table, with a big smug expression on my face |
or not
mornin' all, (bloody hell...lots going on in here)!
| QUOTE |
| I use Bio-bizz grow and bloom but made the mistake of feeding to early, remember you have about 2 weeks after repotting without the need to add the nutes. |
Yup...saw that in your gro-diary fella! The info has been logged and stored for future reference!
| QUOTE |
| Also get yourself some citric acid and cheap Ph test kit. You can get the citric acid from Wilkinsons in the brewers section, its about 60p. |
Well as for the Ph kit.......I'm a scientist remember? I got wands for this, pens for that and truncheons for a bit o' the other, (ask EO
)! But the citric is a good tip mate. Cheers. Been wondering where to get it as I have been using vinegar for my NFT table, (but I found the CANNA nutes made me chips soggy, and my moustache has started stretching for the light 
).| QUOTE |
| Does this make sense? |
Crashingly good sense...thanks OT1, (I have been informed that tomorrow.....I will print your post)!
| QUOTE |
| Being a puter man you will love this, I just spent an hr or more trying to find out why my new fire wire drive just would not mount on the desk top. I reinstalled all the extentions/drivers nadt. Then it occored to me it might work if I plugged the firewire cable in. Ot "good with plants shit with computers" |
Ok listen.....I'll say this once more, make sure the device is plugged in before attempting to use firewire
, (I'm sure I posted this somewhere else recently....does anyone listen??) 
| QUOTE |
| Gotta admit though, it feels somehow.....wrong, not making up my usual mad scientist mix for hydro |
Well rest assured fella, until you see some of this "organic" feedstuff you ain't seen "mad scientist mix's"!
F'rinstance, 'er indoors decides she wants some of this organic stuff, so sends me off to buy some. Local grow shop only stocks Earth Juice, but as I am assured it is totally organic, cash changes hands and home I go to help feed the plants.
Now the bottle reads "Shake well before use"! Shake well?? I shook the bloody thing for 10 minutes and we still had to offer the plants "one lump, or two"? ....and smell?? Like an old pig farm it is!
Best part is this......it's recommended for hydro too? My pump wouldn't last 2 minutes with this sludge. Passive/manual feeding.... maybe?
So Bio-Bizz it is then!
Ok, now another problem I have......due to the "logistics" of the situation I am not going to be able to get to Togs, to buy me bits & pieces, (my truck does 6 to the gallon and an extra 40-50 mile round trip just won't wash with the "powers that be", and adding a tenner postage to a bag of soil costing around a tenner makes it a somewhat expensive proposition, (nothing to do with Togs I hasten to add...postage is postage), so with this in mind does anyone know of an All-Mix/Bio-Bizz supplier within around 40 miles of the Severn Bridge?
If they sell envirolites as well then all the better. An assortment of good sized, square pots would make the journey almost a pleasure.
Any advice gratefully received!
Thanks all. I'm really looking forward to getting this grow up and running, although not having "stuff" to adjust is going to be a little strange. Maybe I'll get a meccano set for the duration.
Seed germing day tomorrow, (when I can decide which seeds to germ of course)!
Peace.
RD
I have the same question as UglyBudly but using peat moss and perlite with 1 week of veg.
let me know if this seems acceptable:
9 days rooting and hardening off
1 week of veg under 175 watt MH in peatmoss/perlite mix,in final pot size using 1ml grow and 1ml bloom
9 weeks of bloom following the grow schedule for light mix
does light mix have any nutrients?
what problems did OT1 have with Alg a mic? is there a link?
thanks everyone
let me know if this seems acceptable:
9 days rooting and hardening off
1 week of veg under 175 watt MH in peatmoss/perlite mix,in final pot size using 1ml grow and 1ml bloom
9 weeks of bloom following the grow schedule for light mix
does light mix have any nutrients?
what problems did OT1 have with Alg a mic? is there a link?
thanks everyone
I really can't see peat and perlite being a satisfactory mix at all - you need a complete compost, even if you are feeding them lovely organic food. If you can't get Allmix, you could use J.Arthur Bowers New Horizon peat free compost, perhaps with a small dash of perlite 
As to how organic biobizz is, my understanding is that it is made from organic components, and is at the moment awaiting various international classifications as organic - its about the cleanest organic feed you can get, it just doesn't have all its bits of paper pedigree!
As to how organic biobizz is, my understanding is that it is made from organic components, and is at the moment awaiting various international classifications as organic - its about the cleanest organic feed you can get, it just doesn't have all its bits of paper pedigree!
RD, there is a small hydro shop in central bristol called Karma that opened not long back, and they stock BioBizz.
I have their number at home somewhere, so you can phone em up. If you call b4 u go, they should be able to get the other stuff you want as well, as long as you give em a day or so
Popped in there a couple of times, and they seem sound enough
I have their number at home somewhere, so you can phone em up. If you call b4 u go, they should be able to get the other stuff you want as well, as long as you give em a day or so
Popped in there a couple of times, and they seem sound enough
| QUOTE (Vlad (the impala) @ Feb 24 2004, 10:20 AM) |
| you could use J.Arthur Bowers New Horizon peat free compost, perhaps with a small dash of perlite |
Is J.Arthur Bowers stuff organic ?
If it is and its anything like the Westlands Organic Peat Reduced Compost, it will be mostly rotted wood chippings , adding perlite will just make your water and nutes drain straight through the pot even quicker than it does without.
the j arthur bowers new horizon is organic, and I believe wood based - I've used it with about 10% perlite, and its worked well (grew a prize bud!) - the only disadvantage I've found is sodding fruit flies!
| QUOTE (uglybudly @ Feb 24 2004, 09:03 AM) |
| thing that gets me is why bio bizz is in the organic section since it is biological , and not 100% organic |
Sorry where do you get the idea that the Biobizz products are not not 100% organic?
They comply in every way with ukrofs and in fact are better than in most cases, but they have not had their products registered with a uk inspection body such as the soil association yet.
They would not comply with the soil association standards for compost as they use peat and perlite in their composts. But all their fertilisers would. They could well get organic approve on all their products with an other uk organic inspection body such as organic growers and farmers for instance.
In Europe biological or bio is an unofficial term used for products that are a hybrid of chemical and organic products, ie they pretend to be organic. No Biobizz products have any chemical fertilisers in their make up, every thing is naturally derived. They have organic approve on all their products with nearly every organic inspection body in every country in Europe.
So where ever you got the information that Biobizz products are not organic is wrong. The only people I have ever seen mention this before are growell, they have been told the info is wrong in the past and never bothered to correct it.
Ub in answer to your Q about flowering direct from a small clone, really plants in compost do better rooting out in consecutive pots in stages.
If you do want to flower small clones as soon as they are rooted, its best to use smallish pots like a 6 inch sq as a tight sog, even so it will never fully root out the compost if flowered as soon as its planted.
Worm has all the element macros and micros in it, not just N. Allmix is a balanced compost. Plants flower just fine with all the elements, its really not a problem in compost or in soil outside. Garden soil has masses of NPK reserves enough for years of growing, with compost the reserves do get depleted, as they decline you compensate by adding liquid feed when you water, this feeds the plants and the micro flora.
I don't really understand what you want to do.
If you do want to flower small clones as soon as they are rooted, its best to use smallish pots like a 6 inch sq as a tight sog, even so it will never fully root out the compost if flowered as soon as its planted.
Worm has all the element macros and micros in it, not just N. Allmix is a balanced compost. Plants flower just fine with all the elements, its really not a problem in compost or in soil outside. Garden soil has masses of NPK reserves enough for years of growing, with compost the reserves do get depleted, as they decline you compensate by adding liquid feed when you water, this feeds the plants and the micro flora.
I don't really understand what you want to do.
| QUOTE (oldtimer1 @ Feb 23 2004, 10:44 PM) |
| As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix. Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12. You should not need any feed right through these stages. Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water. At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre. At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of bloom and 2 ml of bloom. Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl. Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end. All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts. |
Did you miss this post UB?
What about near the end of flowering with the bio-biz any need to just water or would that be a waste of time .I aggree there is nothing to flush out as Ive told my friend time and time again and thats why so many just water for an extended period when using salts or hydro and it seems by the chart that feeding is up to the last day,but he wanted me to ask ??? Gmyst
??? Gmyst
At the moment I'm watering every two days and feeding the bio-bizz gorw and bloom every 4 days.
Is it best to use the bio-bizz grow and bloom with every water during the flowering stage ? Or to alternate like I'm currently doing.
Appreciate your thoughts guys
S.A.
Is it best to use the bio-bizz grow and bloom with every water during the flowering stage ? Or to alternate like I'm currently doing.
Appreciate your thoughts guys
S.A.
And it all depends on the pot size you're growing in, & grow room temps as to how often to water/feed.
Being able to look at your plants, & know what they require was rocket science to me when i first started out.....but ya soon pick it up
The BioBizz Schedule is just a rough guide - ya have to bring your own grow conditions & the var you're growing out into the equation
Being able to look at your plants, & know what they require was rocket science to me when i first started out.....but ya soon pick it up
The BioBizz Schedule is just a rough guide - ya have to bring your own grow conditions & the var you're growing out into the equation
Thanks for the advice bud, I think I'll try feeding with every water, I'm using 10 litre pots at day 33 of flowering, so maybe they can take the feed ?
Only one way to find out I guess.
Only one way to find out I guess.
Well weve been feeding every 3rd day or 2nd with the biz feed with no watering in between they are in 8" tomato pots so probably need it.Since the Epsom tip on here absolutely no problems in fact they look super healthy.Get some pics real soon Gmyst
OT1 you recommended using citric acid for ph control.i got some at a chemist and it says on the box.citric acid monohydrate(suitable for culinary use)i was just wanting to check if this was the correct stuff.also what way do you apply it to your nutes.
thx
thriver
thx
thriver
Thriver bud thats it
but when you add it use it sparingly its very strong to give you an idea i have a 5 litre water bottle i only need the tip of my finger wet dip it in the citric acid then in the water and it brings down the ph
Thx saldo1.thats all i needed to know
Thriver
Thriver
Ive recently had a nitrogen deficiency in the last week or so.
I've got 5 cheese plants (just turned 12/12) in BioBizz lite mix, feeding BioBizz grow, occasionally rootjuice and some epsom salts.
Because of the nitrogen deficiency i've just fed it with some Fish mix.
So i think a little nitrogen pick me up may be needed if using the lite mix.
I've got 5 cheese plants (just turned 12/12) in BioBizz lite mix, feeding BioBizz grow, occasionally rootjuice and some epsom salts.
Because of the nitrogen deficiency i've just fed it with some Fish mix.
So i think a little nitrogen pick me up may be needed if using the lite mix.
if you're using light mix, start with the official biobizz schedule (pinned)
thriver- in almost all cases you do NOT have to adjust ph in compost- it self-buffers well........faffing about with ph in soil usually does more harm than good!
got the whole Bio Biz range now, just need pots, the hydro is going in the bin!
QUOTE(oldtimer1 @ Feb 23 2004, 11:44 PM)
The chart is for rooted cuttings not seedlings.
The optimum ph of the compost for maintaining health and growth and health is 6.5 to 6.8. It is much harder for the compost to buffer up than to buffer down.
I don't know how many time I have to say this, if you do ph down not below 6.5! You will mess up the micro flora and if not very careful ruin the compost..
In answer to your Q's Mr Dragon your programme vis 3 inch to 6 inch to 11 litre is fine. But for the 3 inch pots use half and half allmix and perlite.
As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix.
Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12.
You should not need any feed right through these stages. Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of bloom and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
Does this make sense?
An added point, if you see the tissue between the veins on the lower leaves turning a lighter green at any point its likly the first signs of Mg shortage starting an addition of a little epsom salts to the next feed should keep right. Don’t over do this or else you can lock out other nutrients.
Being a puter man you will love this, I just spent an hr or more trying to find out why my new fire wire drive just would not mount on the desk top. I reinstalled all the extentions/drivers nadt. Then it occored to me it might work if I plugged the firewire cable in. Ot "good with plants shit with computers"
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The optimum ph of the compost for maintaining health and growth and health is 6.5 to 6.8. It is much harder for the compost to buffer up than to buffer down.
I don't know how many time I have to say this, if you do ph down not below 6.5! You will mess up the micro flora and if not very careful ruin the compost..
In answer to your Q's Mr Dragon your programme vis 3 inch to 6 inch to 11 litre is fine. But for the 3 inch pots use half and half allmix and perlite.
As soon as the rootball is netted with fine roots move them to your 6 inch pots and neat allmix.
Same story for the move to the final pots. Once in the final pots let them root out the soil ball before flowering, as a general rule of thumb once all the plants are showing roots at the drainage holes. Go to 12/12.
You should not need any feed right through these stages. Once you are on 12/12 start feeding 1 ml of both grow and bloom to a litre of water.
At about week 2 of flowering change the mix to 1 ml grow and 2 ml bloom per litre.
At week 3 [21 days] a one off feed of a heaped table spoon of epsom salts per 10 litres add to that 1 ml of bloom and 2 ml of bloom.
Round the 4 week mark, the mix is 1ml gr and 3 ml bl.
Once you start to see browning of pistils change to 2 ml gr and 1 ml bl keep with that till the end.
All you really need is grow and bloom + a little epsom salts.
Does this make sense?
An added point, if you see the tissue between the veins on the lower leaves turning a lighter green at any point its likly the first signs of Mg shortage starting an addition of a little epsom salts to the next feed should keep right. Don’t over do this or else you can lock out other nutrients.
Being a puter man you will love this, I just spent an hr or more trying to find out why my new fire wire drive just would not mount on the desk top. I reinstalled all the extentions/drivers nadt. Then it occored to me it might work if I plugged the firewire cable in. Ot "good with plants shit with computers"
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What about for seedlings!?
I was replying to RD's question that started this topic, have you read his question Mr Peebs?
Sorry,but all I can see is the cuttings scheduale,nothing to do with seeds!?
Lo all ,ive done 2 grows with the bio bizz range from seed , ive used the ot1 guide an its top notch.n1 ot1 ,heres a 7 an a half week picky of my white russian. 
almost done.
almost done.
QUOTE(Queijo @ Jan 4 2005, 08:07 AM)
Ot, why the increase in Grow as opposed to Bloom in the last phase of flower..?
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Good question! Was wondering myself!!
Also, how will a strain like Kali Mist fair in an all mix set up using the biobizz nutes. Don't Sativas generally require less feeding than Indicas?
QUOTE(Queijo @ Jan 4 2005, 08:07 AM)
Ot, why the increase in Grow as opposed to Bloom in the last phase of flower..?
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Not sure on this myself.....but at a guess.....
I think it is because at the end of flowering (well for me anyway) I notice the plant starts stripping all the nutrients from the lower leaves,causing yellowing in the lower plant, showing a need/deficiency for nitrogen. It seems common sense to up the level of grow at this time.
I have used the OT1 schedule, and apart from once giving a dose of fishmix as well it has proved to be spot on for me too, but it is always wise to use it as a guide and let your plants tell you if they need anything more or less!! Different strains will have different needs to some extent.
EO
QUOTE(Queijo @ Jan 4 2005, 08:07 AM)
Ot, why the increase in Grow as opposed to Bloom in the last phase of flower..?
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High levels of P in weed doesn't allow it to burn properly, and is also carcenogenic. By upping the Grow (N) and reducing the Bloom (P) should as EO has said help the plant, and make for a much smoother smoke. Less harsh
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