Hi all,

Two unknown plants from mixed bagweed, but one looks more Sat and one more Ind, in pots in compost.

Long-time vegged (at least 3 months).

Went over to 12/12 about 3 or 4 days ago and I've just gone in to me "cupboard under the stairs", at 9:00pm to switch the light ON and discovered that when I went light (HPS) OFF at 9:00am this morning, I (fucking,) left the overhead "cupboard" light on all day, so they've been exposed to a single 100 watt, standard incandescent livingroom light for twelve hours, immediately after their usual 12 hour HPS.

Does anyone know definitavely what do do to save my babies from death or hemaphrodism.

Should I:

a) Lights OFF now for 12 hours and then on and of 12/12 after that?

b) Lights OFF NOW for 12 hours, then on for 12 then 12/12?

c) Something else?


d) Burn the house down and slit my wrists?



Sticking with a 9:00am/9:00pm switchover is much preferred, but what would be best?


It's now been 25 minutes of HPS ON after 12 hours HPS followed by 12 hours 100 w standard livingroom incandescent.


Please help my babies?





Woof

Don't really see a problem, just start the 12/12 cycle again

Don't panic. It's still very early. You will be o.k. Just revert back to your 12/12 as soon as possible.

After a quick referral in the chatroom.

I've decided to switch ON the HPS as usual now (10:00pm - which is GMT + 8) which will mean they'll have had 12 hrs HPS then 13 hrs incandescent then 11 hours HPS when I go light off tomorrow morning at 9:00am (36 hous light - 12 HPS, 13 livingroom 100w and then 11 HPS).

Light ON at 9:00pm and OFF at 9:00 am is much more convenient for me.

If anyone thinks this is OK, or NOT - please post .

I panicked for a moment there, but it seems it's early enough into 12/12 to not mess things up too much - the worst thing being a slight re-veg now and a bit later harvest).

Would that sound about right if I did that?


Many thanks peeps.





Woof

dude just set the timer at 12/12 then when it gets to 9 o`clock just turn the dial till the light goes off *sorted*
this is what i did with no probs

Change of plan.

I now believe that after 26 hours of light it would be better to switch off NOW and go for 22 hours of darkness starting now and then go lights on 12, off 12, 12/12, 12/12.

Rather than giving it yet another 12 hours light now (36 in total,) and then 12 dark, 12 light, 12/12, 12/12.

Four days in to 12/12.


What's the best?

Thank you.



Woof

I'm confused But I do think that you don't need to worry.

Just going straight back into a 12/12 cycle that suits your needs should be fine.

Sorry monsta.

It's now 11:10pm. There has been light for 26 hours 10 mins. There is no timer. Everything is manual. I work with what I have.

My circumstances mean that I need to have a 12/12 cycle with light OFF at 9:00am and ON at 9:00pm.

I'm trying to find the best way to do that.

I think OFF now (11:15pm) after 26.25 hours light, and ON at 9:00pm tomorrow after 21.75 hours dark may be the best way back to that cycle. (Rather than leaving the light on until 9:00 am tomorrow and then OFF and the ON at 9:00pm.





Woof

off now till whenever your "on time" starts more dark is better than longer lights (thay allready had)

26 hours of dark it is

jessiedog dude.... you should get a timer....they are less than a fiver in wilkinsons... it would save the aggro you are going through happening again when its more critical.......

and means you can go out without worrying about getting home for your lights on/off

Right.

After 4 days of 12/12 and then the fuck-up that led to 26-hours-straight of varying light (12 HPS, then 12 incandescant-100w-livingroom type bulb, then 2 HPS)...........

Light is now OFF - after 26 hours light.

It will go ON again after 22 hours of darkness.

(And the 100watt, incandescent ceiling light has been unscrewed, cooled, chewed and swallowed.)

That will get me back to my required 9:00pm ON and 9:00am OFF cycle. (Don't ask - everything's manual and circumstances dictate.)

Very many thanks, alias, and all, for the EMERGENCY help.

Trying to grow in a small, sealed, unventilated, concrete-bunker, understair-cupboard is a pain in the arse. Door closed - too hot and no ventilation - door open during light on - bugs and shit think it's a magnet and neighbours think I've set fire to the living room.


Oh man! A few hundred quid would get me a grow tent, a couple of inlet/outlet fans, some tubing, a carbon filter, a few specialist ferts, a timer and contactor - and a half dozen proper seeds.

But it would also bring-in the bank a couple of months sooner to take my home away.

Better to persist with this fuck-up-of-a-setup for the next couple of months and then at least I might have an ounce (maybe even two,) to ease my way into homelessness.

I'll be right pissed off if they turn out to be chaps!


Thanks again all.





Woof

I do understand that, monsta.

I'd need a timer and contactor - it would cost alot more than a fiver where I live and I'm down to my last few months of keeping a roof over my head. And anyway, when lights are on I need to fuck around opening and closing the door. Opening to keep the temps down and closing to shield the light from the neighbours as best as possible and keep as many bugs out as possible.

I wish I could guerilla grow out here, but it's even more risky. The climate is perfect.



Woof

Alrite mate. there's been a few threads posted recently on this subject I had the same problem a while ago.I forgot to check the ec and ph one day down to a busy work schedule.my babbies where on 12/12 coming on at 9 in the morning and going off at 9pm the light went out by the time I got up there only by 2 mins so I put the over ride switch on the grasslin to check the ec ph closed it all up and forgot to put it back on timer.so they had no darkness at all that night so I just left it on the same setting as it has been all flowering cycle this was at week 7 and they where fine no crap yields no veg revert and no hermies so u could be alrite.it's just the roll of the dice but I know what ur thinking I shit the bed when noticed they had no dark period.

Thanks!

I'm hoping four days into 12/12 I should be able to recalibrate without too much damage.

Given that my set up is the next best thing from a pot on a windowsill with an HPS strung above from the curtain rail, I can't really complain if it's not perfect conditions.

Light leaks are always gonna be a problem for me, as is ventilation (there ain't none unless I open the cupboard door during lights on). During lights off, the door is shut and it's a sealed concrete bunker with a fan inside and bits of tissue paper stuck into the obvious light-leaks around the door frame -located by shutting the door while the light is on.

I'm compentent and determined.



But ill-equipped and stony broke.




And all for a couple of random bagweed seeds.

But I will NEVER, give up.

It's been a six year hiatus since my last grow (my second - and it had to be pulled down one week into flowering , my first suffered the same fate).

But I'm absolutely gonna finish this one - even if I end up with a quarter ounce of low-grade, hermied smoke.

Patience. Practice. Perseverance.

Bloody hard work though, trying to improvise everything.



Woof

Another quick question peeps.

How much variance is tolerable during 12/12.

Given I'm operating on a manual switching system; if one day is 11.75 dark/12.25 light, the next day is 12.15 dark/11.85 light, the next is 12.25 dark/11.75 light, the next is 11.65 dark/12.35 light....am I fucked, or is it within tolerance?

And if I'm fucked, I guess it would be better to keep increasing the darkness gradually from wherever I land on any particular day, rather than flip-flopping as above?





Woof

It's a shame it costs too get a good setup dude.iv probably spent well over a thousand quid to get my perfect setup and gone without other stuff I need to finance it but atleast I don't have to smoke street crap.u wanna try and get some sought of air exchange in there and also a carbon filter but I had all soughts of basic setups when started.Hope everything works out for you bro,

Yer.

I know, vince.

But I've had no income for far too long, my budget is limited to the mortgage, a little food and some cheap booze (yuk, spit). And I'd forego the food if I could get any kind of smoke - soapbar would be a delight right now! But that's not an option at the moment - I have no "external" supply, I'm on my own.

I've now got two crappy plants just into 12/12, after nuturing them through near death and towards reasonable health, vegged for over three months, just to get them to the point where I think they're solid enough to 12/12.

Unfortunately, I've, by now, ripped off most of the fan leaves to microwave and smoke Disgusting taste and a buzz like taking one toke of a weak "Spice" spliff. It's difficult for me to go without, and cheap rum is my next best option , can't afford any more "Spice".

That said, they are doing fine, look reasonably healthy and have many potential bud sites. I just hope they're not males!

Air is provided by opening the cupboard door, on and off, during light-on (there's a fan inside the cupboard running at all times, even when light is off and door shut). And carbon filter is too expensive and there's no ventilation anyway apart from opening the cupboard door (which opens into my living room,) so no way to hook it up. I don't care about the smell that will (hopefully,) flood my living room in due course - I've not had guests for years.

I. Will. Get. Some. Bud. By. Hook. Or Crook.

As/if my circumstances improve, I'll upgrade bit by bit, but in the meantime, I want at least to get this to maturity (assuming female,) before I lose even an understair cupboard to grow in.

Hence this thread. I want to get the best from the (entirely imperfect,) conditions I need to work with.




Woof

Any advice on this one peeps?

How close to exactly 12/12 is acceptable?

Seconds deviation, minutes deviation, or better a gradual slide into more darkness if precision isn't possible?



Edit: Or maybe it doesn't really matter if light leaks are pretty much inevitable anyway - I do my best to stick chewed up tissue paper over the bits and gaps around the doorframe that I can see, fresh chews every day, but......?

Woof

I like ur determination mate.wish I could help u out with some basic equipment dude got a few bits spare which have been lent too a mate but he does not listen and has no passion for his growing.does not want too put any effort in but exspects top results.everything will work out for u at some point.I had too go without plenty like u have dude lost my job due to injury but things are straightening out a little.let us know how it goes mate.

I like ur determination mate.wish I could help u out with some basic equipment dude got a few bits spare which have been lent too a mate but he does not listen and has no passion for his growing.does not want too put any effort in but exspects top results.everything will work out for u at some point.I had too go without plenty like u have dude lost my job due to injury but things are straightening out a little.let us know how it goes mate.

Very nice double post, vince.

So sincerely thank you, twice.

It's much appreciated.

Although I'm not really looking for any help with (even,) basic equipment (other than perhaps some half decent seeds - or even old bagweed ones, there's none of them left here either).

I'm just looking for the same thing I was back in 2002 when I first arrived here. Some good friends/aquaintances that share a common interest, some good debate on legalisation/decriminalisation/normalisation, and the best possible advice available on growing under the worst possible circumstances.


Blessings.



Woof

So, anyone have an opinion on this question?



Woof

Soz about the double post.pc is up the Shute.

It wasn't sarcasm, vince, just overenthusiastic sincerity.

I welcome your posts on this thread and am deeply grateful for your input.

My apologies if it seemed otherwise.




I've been told many times that my overenthusiasm can be mistaken for insincerity.

Sorry.






Woof

them timers are 2quid in asda at mo

Cheers for that, ryder, GBP 3:50p on their website.

Cheap as chips.

I understand I'd need a contactor too, but can't find one on their site.

I actually think I have an old timer, buried deep in the bowels of God knows where - I've never actually used it, 'cos I heard that without a contactor, they inevitably fail and the light doesn't come on.

Shame there's no ASDA near me - with their UK delivery prices being as high as they are, it would cost a fortune to get it shipped.

What are cheap contactors costing these days?


Anyway, can anyone give me an answer to the kind of tolerences I asked about above - it's one of those "nice to know", thingummys?

*looks at watch*

Thirty three minutes to 'til light on. I'll see how things look.





Woof

Anyone have any idea on the tolerance levels of 12/12 timing as posted above in the thread?


Thanks.



Woof

You'll get a contactor for around £25-30, a timer is about £5.

If your in Europe there's plenty of grow shops on-line to order from.