Hi folks
do chloramines effect a nute solution
will it cause any imbalances in the nutes to cause the plants to lock nutes out ?
will they have any bad effects on hydro growing ?
Full Version: Chloramines
I read they have good effects for hydro, kill bacteria. Pretty sure it's in tapwater anyway.
Get an inlet fan, that'll sort out yer prob's.
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
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Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
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Chloromine is chlorine mixed with ammonia, it can stunt growth. If it's in your tap water then you need a reverse osmosis unit.
QUOTE (lazi @ Nov 8 2009, 10:29 AM) 
Chloromine is chlorine mixed with ammonia, it can stunt growth. If it's in your tap water then you need a reverse osmosis unit.
The Wikipedia entry for Chloramine is interesting - has a few other suggestions for removing it.....
hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chloramine
Is it in your water? Apparently UK water companies are not obliged to reveal whether they use regular chlorine or chloramine to treat their water. Practical Fish Keeper magazine has a few articles about where Chloramine is found in the UK and some info about regional water quality.
hxxp://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/powersearch.php?q=chloramine&database=news&submit=go!
hxxp://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/pfk/pages/watermapper.php#
chloromine is nasty shit, and will react with nutes to make some real nasty by-products. whether it will hurt your plants i dont know, but i wouldn't wanna be smoking the end product. some tap water will be made up of water from different treatment plants, and may contain both chlorine and chloromine, other times one or the other. easiest way to tell is taste your water after leaving it bubbled for an hour, if it still stinks like chlorine, then you've got chloromine in your water
Got this from the Thames Water website:
Ammonia can be dosed into the water following final chlorination to form a longer lasting disinfectant.
Ammonia reacts with chlorine to form chloramines, which decay at a slower rate compared to free chlorine.
This can be useful if the water has to travel large distances to reach customer properties.
However, chloramines are less effective disinfectants compared to chlorine, so it is important to disinfect the water with free chlorine first, before converting it into chloramines.
Each treatment works employs several processes to produce safe and wholesome drinking water.
Each treatment works is tailored according to its incoming raw water.
Effective water treatment is essential for protecting public health.
Ammonia can be dosed into the water following final chlorination to form a longer lasting disinfectant.
Ammonia reacts with chlorine to form chloramines, which decay at a slower rate compared to free chlorine.
This can be useful if the water has to travel large distances to reach customer properties.
However, chloramines are less effective disinfectants compared to chlorine, so it is important to disinfect the water with free chlorine first, before converting it into chloramines.
Each treatment works employs several processes to produce safe and wholesome drinking water.
Each treatment works is tailored according to its incoming raw water.
Effective water treatment is essential for protecting public health.
yeah, that doesn't mean for example a surface water plant will use chloramine and a borehole works wont..... they're literally all different. a lot of works dose with hypochlorous, which is basically liquid chorine/chloromine similar to chloromine in that it stays in the water for longer
QUOTE (Bolted @ Nov 8 2009, 09:56 AM)
Get an inlet fan, that'll sort out yer prob's.
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
i have a inlet fan
i think i have chloramines in me water it still stink of chlorine 24 hours later
does it affect nute uptake ?
been having this problem ever since the pumping station fitted a new pump and the water started to flow brown for a few days must be a more powerfull pump and it flushed all the crap out the pipes
i only live a few hundred yards from the pumping station
would they put the chloramines in at the pumping station ?
QUOTE (scraglor @ Nov 8 2009, 10:50 AM)
chloromine is nasty shit, and will react with nutes to make some real nasty by-products. whether it will hurt your plants i dont know, but i wouldn't wanna be smoking the end product. some tap water will be made up of water from different treatment plants, and may contain both chlorine and chloromine, other times one or the other. easiest way to tell is taste your water after leaving it bubbled for an hour, if it still stinks like chlorine, then you've got chloromine in your water
i think it is effecting me nutes
can not go higher than EC of 8 without getting problems
like to here other peeps opinions on chloramines and nutes how does it effect you ?
QUOTE (NMW @ Nov 8 2009, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (Bolted @ Nov 8 2009, 09:56 AM)
Get an inlet fan, that'll sort out yer prob's.
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
i have a inlet fan
i think i have chloramines in me water it still stink of chlorine 24 hours later
does it affect nute uptake ?
been having this problem ever since the pumping station fitted a new pump and the water started to flow brown for a few days must be a more powerfull pump and it flushed all the crap out the pipes
i only live a few hundred yards from the pumping station
would they put the chloramines in at the pumping station ?
depends on the size of the pumping station. is it a building, or one of those green kiosks.. a building will likely be dosing either liquid or gas, a kiosk wont be dosing anything. don't know about affecting nute uptake? maybe ask one of the plant magic people in product support, or ask your nute manufacturer
QUOTE (scraglor @ Nov 8 2009, 07:54 PM)
QUOTE (NMW @ Nov 8 2009, 04:29 PM)
QUOTE (Bolted @ Nov 8 2009, 09:56 AM)
Get an inlet fan, that'll sort out yer prob's.
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
Nowt to do with your water, it's a lack of fresh air that's killing your plants............
END OF STORY
i have a inlet fan
i think i have chloramines in me water it still stink of chlorine 24 hours later
does it affect nute uptake ?
been having this problem ever since the pumping station fitted a new pump and the water started to flow brown for a few days must be a more powerfull pump and it flushed all the crap out the pipes
i only live a few hundred yards from the pumping station
would they put the chloramines in at the pumping station ?
depends on the size of the pumping station. is it a building, or one of those green kiosks.. a building will likely be dosing either liquid or gas, a kiosk wont be dosing anything. don't know about affecting nute uptake? maybe ask one of the plant magic people in product support, or ask your nute manufacturer
its a building
You can RO filters pretty cheap now, seen them for like £50, then you need to get it fitted right enough.
E2a:- my mistake thats just a water filter that fits inline under your sink, not sure if it would do the same as a proper RO filter system. cheapest RO system I could find was £95 but most seem to be around £200 but theres a few at around £150 but then you got fitting on top of it.
E2a:- my mistake thats just a water filter that fits inline under your sink, not sure if it would do the same as a proper RO filter system. cheapest RO system I could find was £95 but most seem to be around £200 but theres a few at around £150 but then you got fitting on top of it.
QUOTE (181 @ Nov 8 2009, 08:07 PM)
You can RO filters pretty cheap now, seen them for like £50, then you need to get it fitted right enough.
i dont think RO machines work with getting rid of chloramines
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Drinking water purification
Around the world, household drinking water purification systems, including a reverse osmosis step, are commonly used for improving water for drinking and cooking.
Such systems typically include a number of steps:
* a sediment filter to trap particles including rust and calcium carbonate
* optionally a second sediment filter with smaller pores
* an activated carbon filter to trap organic chemicals and chlorine, which will attack and degrade TFC reverse osmosis membranes
* a reverse osmosis (RO) filter which is a thin film composite membrane (TFM or TFC)
* optionally a second carbon filter to capture those chemicals not removed by the RO membrane
* optionally an ultra-violet lamp for disinfecting any microbes that may escape filtering by the reverse osmosis membrane
Thats from wiki it does say it removes chlorine and organic chemicals, not to sure if that means it will get the chloramines
yeah, get an RO filter, i use one for my fish tank, and they do filter out the chloromines, activated carbon actually kills off chlorine and chloromines, but nowhere near as effectively, and the water needs to sit in the carbon a fair while.... it also deactivates the carbon fairly sharpish
really interesting stuff...and a bit worrying, thinking of getting r.o. for myself now (let alone my plants) 
I don't believe RO removes chloramine either but I have heard ascorbic acid or carbon filtration. There are also some pond/fish tank additives that will do the job too.
QUOTE (chickenlipsr4 @ Nov 8 2009, 08:41 PM)
I don't believe RO removes chloramine either but I have heard ascorbic acid or carbon filtration. There are also some pond/fish tank additives that will do the job too.
SO that would mean an RO sytem would get rid of it then, would it not?
QUOTE (181 @ Nov 8 2009, 08:43 PM)
QUOTE (chickenlipsr4 @ Nov 8 2009, 08:41 PM)
I don't believe RO removes chloramine either but I have heard ascorbic acid or carbon filtration. There are also some pond/fish tank additives that will do the job too.
SO that would mean an RO sytem would get rid of it then, would it not?
RO is the process of reverse osmosis and will not remove chloramine although those RO units that have a built in carbon filter will.
http://www.reefkeeping.com/issues/2003-11/...ature/index.php
have a ganders at that.... a good RO unit will remove all traces of chlorine and chloromine.. if it didn't, all my fish would be dead now!
have a ganders at that.... a good RO unit will remove all traces of chlorine and chloromine.. if it didn't, all my fish would be dead now!
from what i have read about RO and chloramines is it can get rid of the chlorine if you have a carbon filter on the RO but it will leave the ammonia still in the water but ya can get stuff from fish shops that will get rid of the ammonia but i dont think its good for plant heather
but ya can get stuff from fish shops that will get rid of the ammonia but i dont think its good for plant heather
sodium thiosulphate, and it's not good for your plants i shouldn't think.. a good RO unit will get rid of the chloromine though. marine fish are MUCH more sensitive than a plant in a hydro system, so if it's good enough for them, it's more than adequate for us as growers
QUOTE (scraglor @ Nov 8 2009, 09:13 PM)
sodium thiosulphate, and it's not good for your plants i shouldn't think.. a good RO unit will get rid of the chloromine though. marine fish are MUCH more sensitive than a plant in a hydro system, so if it's good enough for them, it's more than adequate for us as growers
i am more worried if chloramines can make the nutes out of balance
so the plants find it hard to take in woundering if it alters the nute profile
i wouldn't have thought so, it's in tiny tiny amounts, (less than a single ppm) as your nutes are going in at several hundreds of ppm's, if every single chloromine molecule reacted with a nutrient molecule, it still wouldn't have made even a tiny dent in your nutrient concentration.
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