I started some seeds of both the Highland Thai and the Kerala
and plan on crossing them. Since I haven't seen anyone doing
such a cross I figured that two pure sativas of such caliber
would create something new and refreshing. The first seeds
were started on October 7, 2009. These were 20 of each kind.
Since they were really slow to start I panicked started all of
them a few days later around October 12th, 2009.

That's a total of 60 Highland Thai and 84 Kerala seeds.
I wish I would have been a little more patient.

Cause now, I have lots of pure sativa babies.

Oh well, that's my luck. I figured the seeds were too old
to germinate and they made a fool of me. At least, it's
better to have more than less I say.

The pics bellow are the first seeds that I started.
You can see the size difference. The highland Thai are
much bigger than the Kerala.
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interseting idea hope you have a lot of time for those long flowering bute's

I have lots of time on my hands. Also, I have still half a 5 gallon pail
full of dried and cured Lebanese buds from my summer grow. It in this same
forum under "My Lebanese: Outdoors At 46 Degrees North".

This is some of my sativas. Every 16 oz cup is marked to identify
whether it's a Highland Thai or Kerala. It sure would be a shame
growing them for so long and forgetting what they are.

I find that the Kerala has much narrower leaves than the
Highland Thai.

I guess with all of these I will just have to learn to swing
from the trees. Something tells me that I will have a real
tropical jungle later.

I could only take pics of a few at a time. Since I'm not a
professional with the camera. But even a bad pic is better
than no pic. At least that's what I think.

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These are some of my bigger plants. They were from the first seeds started.
They are all Highland Thai and even at such small sizes they have a smell of
lemon when you rub the leaf. I can't wait to smell them when they get into
flowering.


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The lone plant is very small but I believe it smells stronger when rubbed
than the other ones. I hope it will be a keeper. It's internodes are tighter
than I would ever imagine a pure sativa would be. It's only about
2 inches high and much wider.


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You going to need a big grow room but hey your in Canada they are a more forward thinking country than most how long do you recon they will take to get in to flower then to seed then to grow out the crosses I know they are tropical sat's and what day length's will you be veg'ing in and flowering in. I was thinking of doing HT for my last grow but the payment server was down at the time I was ordering so opted for something else.

This is the same Highland Thai in both pictures.
It's only about 4 inches high.



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The grow conditons are to be posted below, etc.
Yeah, I know it's sad the payment server went down.
Hopefully, they get it fixed soon.

So far he light was set for 14 hours of daylight, but was reduced yesterday to 13 hours.
I will be taking my biggest plants and putting them under 11 hours of light starting
on Monday October26, 2009. The others will have their light reduced to 12 hours
by Friday 30, 2009.

They are all in 16 Oz plastic cups and are growing in a mixture of coir that has
been rinsed with cold water till it all went wet like mud. I just made holes in the tub
and let the water run out. It took maybe a week for it to dry. In the meantime, I
took some pelleted bone meal and ground it up by hand with a mortar until it was
like flour. This was added to the coir.

I also mixed in some Premier Pro-Mix, Perennial Planting Mix.

Label says this:

•Ready-made peat/bark-based planting mix
•Formulated for transplanting perennials, annuals, bulbs into flower beds, pots and planters
•Promotes drainage during rainy periods in the spring and fall
•Contains time-released fertilizer that feeds plants for an entire growing season (up to nine months)
•Contains Canadian sphagnum peat moss, composted softwood bark, limestone (for PH adjustment) and time-released fertilizer
•Minimal maintenance required (because fertilizer is already in mix)
•85 L bag

I also mixed in some Premier Pro-Mix, Potting and Seeding Mix.

Label says this:
•High quality, lightweight components give it good water retention and excellent drainage
•Multi-purpose growing mix for seed starting, planting and transplanting into indoor and outdoor containers
•Contains Canadian sphagnum peat moss, coarse perlite, vermiculite, macro and micronutrients, limestone (for PH adjustment) and wetting agent
•Keep Pro-mix moist for first several weeks after transplanting
•During growth, plants will need nutrients in the form of fertilizer (2-3 weeks after transplanting)
•85 L bag

A little topsoil was also added along with some epsom salts.

These two types of Pro-Mix were what I used for my Lebanese in
" My Lebanese: Outdoors At 46 Degrees North" in this Real Seed
Company forum. Check it out.

The Perenial Mixture is heavier than the Potting mixture. So I figure a mix
of both would be better.

I don't plan on fertilizing these plants too much. Since I've read that sativas
convert nitrogen into tree size plants. They will get at most a fertilizer with
3 to 5 % nitrogen max. to be on the safe side. My goal is to grow these as
small as possible and produce seeds of a pure sativa and a hybrid at the
same time. Then followed by making pure sativa seeds from the other
kind.

I plan on growing them and take clones from all the Highland Thai.
Once they show sex I will kill all the male Highland Thai from seed
and keep only their clone versions. The male Kerala will be used to
fertilize the female Kerala and female Highland Thai. This will give me
plenty of pure Kerala seeds and a hybrid to play around with.

After which I will send the male Highland Thai and female Highland Thai
clones into flowering. Thereby, procuding plenty of Highland Thai seeds.

I'm not sure exactly how many plants of each I will keep for this grow.
If they stay small enough, I will try to keep them all. If not, I will try to
keep a minimum of 6 male Kerala and 6 female Kerala and 6 female
Highland Thai for the the first breeding part of this grow.
Along with 6 male and female clones of Highland Thai for
the second part.

hey corky, sounds like it is going to be an interesting and highly rewarding grow. gl happy days

I like a man with a plan (that does'nt read right but I know what I mean)

I got anxious today and figured I'd retire the fluorescent fixtures and
replace them with a 400 watt metal halide. They seem happier under
the intense light. Mind you it surely pales in comparison to the sun
in the tropics. As you can see I have a jungle in the making.

After reading a lot on the Net, I've noticed that sativas need actually less
than 12 hours to make them flower. I think that's why you'll read about
people here and there wondering how long it takes to flower them. I think
anything from 12 to 14 hours is fine for vegging them. But to really make
them flower you need less than 12 hours. So I decided to turn back the
light to 11 1/2 hours. They haven't had a whole lot of time vegging mind
you people go straight into 12/12 from seed and do fine with sativas.
Since my goal is primarily seeds and not weed I think I'll do fine.

The lone plant on the right is a Highland Thai.

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Just turned the light back to 11 hours of daylight.
This should help things along in the flowering dept.
I'll probably post a few pics again soon.

it`s going to be an interesting time for sure you figure 4 or 5 months? would love to see them growing outside

I heard you needed to veg sativas for 6 months to get the best results out of them and Indicas for 3. This holds true especially for seed making...

Just my 2 cents.

I've made seeds from indicas that were only vegged for 5 weeks a while back in 1998.
They were northern lights and I can tell you that I had 2 females that were less than
22 inches tall that each produced in excess of 1000 good striped coloured seeds. I
even tried to keep one from being pollinated and she produced the most. I think by
keeping her away from the male for a week made her more mature and receptive
to the pollen. It's amazing how pollen can get around.

I know that sativas are much more complicated than indicas. My goal is to produce "SOME"
seeds. I have read elsewhere on the Net of someone growing and flowering pure haze
and kept them real small. He only grew 2 plants. Lucky, for him he had 1 of each gender.
His female haze was only 40-45 cm tall at 92 days of age. He ended up getting only 194
pure haze seeds. I'm kind of using his info along with other info that I've read online.
I just want to be clear to everyone who read this that I'm looking to make some seeds.
I don't need 1000 seeds per female. I would be glad with 100 per female.

If you need proof that it can be done. Let me know I'll give you the link to the
info with pics that proves it can be done in a small way. No need to grow a bamboo
forest size plant. Which is what would happen if anyone grew then for a few months.

Once I have my new seeds, then I will be able to continue on my quest to create
a wicked breed that will change my life. Only I think it will take around over a year
of simple crossing the varieties that I already have.

Wish Me Luck.

have you read the ultimate sativa grow guide? top notch advice for these types of sats

Am wishing you luck fella, I got some Highland Loas about 7ft tall now, don't ask I'm loving my RSC strains so much fun to grow and a real test. I had a male Lebanese I collected some pollen from and tried brushing some of the sacks over the lower branches on a Mabombe monster but I was drunk at the time and my footing slipped and the pollen got spread unintentionally around a Loas & a Mabombe so I will be eager to find any seeds in any of my girls.
Your plans sound very interesting and you certainly sound like you've been doin your reading, please keep us updated as your two sativa crosses sound like a schmoke and a half.
TBS

Yes, I've seen the ultimate sativa stuff.

I can take a guess at why your plants are 7 feet tall:

1. Either you've given them too much fertilizer. Nitrogen will make big sativas.

2. You placed them in big pots too early.

This is something I found while searching on the Net.


HOW TO MANAGE SATIVAS INDOORS:

The trick to successfully growing 100% sativa indoors so that they yield more than a good hybrid
(ie compact with many many bud sites) is:

a. Never veg from seed - 12/12 from start to finish. This does not increase male rates in dramatically,

b. Never transplant the first time (upon showing sex) into a pot that is LARGER than 8 inches in diameter
(6 inches diameter pot is better for grows under 600W) - or they'll stretch to the moon.

c. Once they've finished stretching (5-6weeks after the first transplant), and NOT BEFORE, transplant into as
large a pot as possible for scrog type grow till finished. They'll then grow out and fill with compact noding,
even though they won't use all the new soil in the larger new pot that they've been put into(they won't finish
rootbound, but they'll finish with an excellent yield given their size). Also given that the plant will NOT
rootbound itself in this last pot, they breath well till harvest and fan leaves find it easier to remain green
even after the buds amber up. So beware of this...do not wait for yellowing fan leves as a sign of maturity if
using this method.

So the secret/trick to regulating the stretch of the 100% sativas is not vegging them at all from seed, but more
importantly, restricting their root system's growing volume from the beginning of stretch, till the end. After
that, transplant them into as big a volume of soil as you wish and NO further stretching occurs - so long as they
stay in flower. The larger the volume of soil that they have after their stretch has finished, the bigger the
yield - not the stretch.

You will always get very little stretch from any strain that is allowed to veg for a good time in the same pot
that flowering is induced under(weeks after vegging has occured). The same applies to anyone who has ever tried
to revegg and flower an already finished plant in the SAME pot that its' first harvest was taken in. People
should be aware that the only time real stretching can occur with cannabis, especially in preflower, is when a
good volume of NEW/virgin soil is introduced or is allowed to surround the already WELL established root-ball.
It is only then, that the plant can provide us with a sudden and spectacular 'final reach' upwards as flowering
commences. This is why 'stretch factors' that are quoted by good growers and seed suppliers can only be had as
such IF the plant is vegged in its' 2ND largest pot and then transplanted into its' largest pot 1-2weeks PRIOR
to initiating a 12/12 regime. As this gives the plant just enough time to grow into the soil and realise that
there is plenty of NEW soil with which it can suddenly grow new roots to compliment its' final stretch. Also
keeping in mind that MOST of these quoted stretch factors are 'true' when a plant of NOT cropped/clipped and
has only one main shoot. The more the main shoots it has, the lesser the stretch factor 'provided' as it has to
be dispersed into more than one mainstem.

So this is why I outline that one do their LAST transplant into the plants largest/final pot AFTER all preflower
stretching has occured...as it has ALREADY been restricted by using a small pot during 'preflower and 2-3weeks
after, for if it wasn't then instead of ending up between 3-5foot tall at most, it would've stretched to an
easy 8 foot tall and much more(with Sativa IBLs and Landraces). So, it is this restriction of roots at just
the right time that can be used to opposite effect to maximise the size and yield of lesser stretching plants
like indicas and the like with MINIMAL vegging period. You'd be amazed how heavily noded and yielding a 3-4
foot tall IBL sativa can become when grown using the method I outlined above that restricts stretching by root
restriction of the right proportion. That way one NEED NOT veg the plant for a long time and trim back twice to
then hopefully end up with a reasonably sized indoor sativa. The vegging period with an IBL/Landrace sativa with
an UNCLIPPED mainshoot can be effectively reduced to the minimal period required for the plant to show 'sex'
when started under 10-11 hours day from sprout or a few days after sprouting under an 18hour light
regime...which can trigger sexing in IBL's a little faster than had they been sprouted under a flowering
photoperiod, but NOT with landrace sativas. The only thing that gets pure landrace sativas into flowering
quicker lots of darkness and flowering ferts in the soil from day one. But not too much ferts as this can also
increase herm and male rates with landraces. It's all a balancing act that can be easier won with patience
rather than eagerness.

So if you try the method I outlined above, it's success will lay in the TIMING of the last pot transplant into
the largest/finishing pot. If you do it too early, the plant will go into a state of flowering-stretch/vegging-
flowering and end up stretching excessively...as do landrace SEAsians when provided with lots of spare soil that
the roots can continue growing in. They'll stretch to the moon if transplanted into a larger soil volume at
anytime after vegging. Be they in Preflower of flower they don't care...if they sense more soil, a stretching
they will go. So to grow them successfully and restrain their height while still getting an excellent yield
without clipping the mainistem requires a COMPLETLY different strategy to the one I outlined for the Africanas
(or most IBL sativas that are NOT landraces). I should also point out that most African strains available
including those from AfricanSeeds, are NOT true pure landrace sativas. They are more an IBL sativa heavily
acclimatised to the region they came from, but where originally a blending/crossing of other pure sativas that
where available long ago. This is why NONE of them have preflowering stretch factors in excess of 20 to 1...as
does the DALAT Nam which can easily go 25 to 1 even in a 20 Litre pot. From a couple of inches tall to over 5
foot tall finished with 10/14 from day one and flowering commenced from the time the clone has set-root and been
placed into the 20L odd pot. I had Shantis NevHAze do me a 9 to 1 stretch that seem considerable, till I tried
the Nam and other SE Asian landraces. They stretch so much that they need no vegging to become huge.


Corky's Note To Others:

This is why I'm growing in 16 ounce plastic cups till they show sex. Then I will select the nicest plants
to go into either a 6 or 8 inch pot. I will most likely choose the 8 inch.

hi corky, glad you are keeping clones of the males:) I once had a male and female blueberry, killed the male and when I twisted it to throw in thrash, it was the strongest best smelling stuff ever. In someone else`s hands he would have been a great daddy:)have fun with it

That's too bad. I've actually never been successfull at making cannabis clones.
I haven't taken the Highland Thai or Kerala clones yet. The Keralas are only a
few inches high right now. I have some that are only about 5 inches tall and are
already starting to make little branches at the nodes. Which is cool. The
Highland Thai on other hand are much taller. Some maybe 9-14 inches tall and
have only the smallest hint of any branch coming out. I guess they are more into
going tall then branching out like the Keralas. For this reason, I believe that
the Kerala may be more indoor friendly then the Highland Thai.

I have had success with cloning the tomatoes for that I've grown for my various gardens
over the years though. I find that a real tomato the kind you can eat and not smoke
makes a excellent plant to test your cloning if your a beginner. But I think that I get
too excited when I try to clone cannabis and somehow mess it up. I will read my
book , read online, and watch my videos on the subject just before I do so.

Maybe it's cause I like making seeds so much that I haven't perfected the cloning
method. But breeding while taking clones can be really rewarding. For one thing,
my goals of crossing these two wonderfull pure sativas will no doubt create something
good. Cloning is a great way to save that special plant if you ever find one. I remember
growing Northern Lights in 1998 and can still remember buying just 10 seeds and bred
them. I got 4 females and 3 males back then out of the 10 seeds. Trust me, I really
wish I had that 1 female that smelled like a strong pine tree and only grew about
20 inches tall in full flowering. I still can see the glistening trichomes.

So cloning I must conquer with these plants.

I`m sure you will be a master by the time you are done you certainly have enough to play with. lots of great info here. I`m trying a few bb dipped in water, then rooting powder and into little plastic cups with wet perlite, then into plastic bag with zipper and under cfl. I`ll let you know how it worked in a few days, so far looks quite healthy but only been 2 days:)

Hi Corky, if you're going to the swamp lands again don't forget the
insect repellant
riding home on your bike
with a rucksack full of bud must have been a sight
From the four OT1 haze that germed 1 was a male who stood growing
outside the cupboard, before i realised he did his thing over some Kali Mist
now collecting a few seeds from the Kali buds....... Old Misters

Good luck with 'em.

I'm not talking about the color of the outside of the seeds. I have no doubt that you can get MATURE seeds from practically any stage of plant if you do it right. What I am talking about is the potency and smell that come from keeping a plant around longer. I would say that your friends haze seeds are probably not as good as the haze seeds he bought. Now they will come out looking like the seeds he bought since he undervegged the mom so the seeds wont have any extra juice to outdo their mom. AGAIN not talking about strength of growth or color of seeds or any of that. That's beginner stuff. I'm talking about the quality of the plants that come out of the seeds and the quality of smoke on "undervegged" plants.

Regardless of this I think you are doing some awsome moves so keep it up and do a grow report on the seeds you collect! (In like a year )

Personally I am thinking of crossing the RSC Mazar with Afropips Nigerian. But this wont be going on until next year....

I think I now know what your talking about. I've seen somehing to this effect in
Mel Frank's book entitled Deluxe Marijuana guide on page 64. It says this I quote:

" A six-month-old plant will generally be better than a four-month-old plant, both
of which are flowering. Plants eight-month-old will usually be more potent than
six-month-old plants."

Only I've never know anyone in doing so. That's why I'm not sure about it.
Maybe if I can master the cloning stuff I could keep a few in the bonsai form.
I really like that article from OT1 on here: http://www.cannabase.com/cl/index.html
Using his info makes keeping a clone and mother something not only viable, it's
kind of cute. I'm not sure if it's possible to keep pure sativa plants short though.
I will give it a try. It would be cool to keep a Bonsai of a few different types.

If I had a big place to grow, I would like to grow at least the Keralas to full size.
I was thinking about planting a few seed outdoors next spring. I realize that in
Canada they would not mature outdoors. It would be more just to grow a tree.
The tallest plant that i've ever grown was a Lebanese this summer it was
5 feet tall.

Ok so I was talking to a guru I get info from in my home town and he told me that it's basically strain dependent but 2-4 months is the best veg time for FULL maturity. That being said you can run decent smoke after they hit the 6th node. Then they are TECHNICALLY mature.

I want the kerla badly sigh. I live in the US and RSC wont sell to the US from their website so I had to get all my seeds through 3rd party vendors when they had them in stock....And they never carried the kerela.

The biggest plant I've run is a 7 foot skunk in a 20 gallon pot. Outdoors ofc. I pulled a bit over a pound off of her it was great.

I'm in socal so my gorwing time is a lot longer...Like the whole year.

I wish I had a long growing season like you. Only, I can pass on the laws
in you neck of the woods. I do also really like the Kerala. Ever since seeing
the pics on The Real Seed Company's website and others. I do believe that
the pendulum needs to return to a more Sativa world. Indicas are better for
hash, but I think that I would prefer to get high over getting stoned. That's
what Sativas are much needed for.

Anyway, thanx for the input YODEL. Before I finish this, may I ask
you what's your favorite plant out of all the ones out there? Even if
you've never grown it.

This is one of My Highland Thai. It sure is a stetchy bugger.
This plant is in a 16 ounce cup. I would hate to see one of
these put in a big pot inddors. It would surely grow to the
ceiling. Since this grow is about seeds and not weed I'll
stay with the smaller way of growing. I do dream of
growing these and others in a greenhouse one day.
I do like the lemony smell when I rub the stem.
The plants themselves don't smell too much at
the moment. Which is stealthy for now. That
may change when they are in full bloom later.




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The same plant from the top. I really like the
jagged leaf look of these plants.


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This is another of the same Highland Thai as in the previous post.
It is now standing beside my computer tower. The tower is 18 inches
tall. So that give you a good idea of it's size. The cup is almost 5 inches
tall. So I would take a good guess at 13 inches tall or a little more
since it's just a tad taller than the tower.

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This is a picture of one of my Kerala. I never pinched it.
Maybe an insect did the damage before it came out of the
soil. I would wait till a plant gets to it's 3 internode before
clipping it. This plant is just a fluke I guess. I really though
that it was going to die when I first saw it. Luckily it came
back. The others are normal and straight. If you look closely
you'll notice that I've clipped one leaf on the inside of each
branch. This was to let the light shine better. I actually have
trimmed all my Kerala and not the Highland Thai this way.
My goal is small bushy plants and not tree size monster
sativas.



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Sour Kush is my fav. (Sour Diesel x Hindu Kush) Grown outdoors or in a greenhouse. Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Although that's ignoring things like Chem Dawg, Real Sour Diesel, Sweet haze, Petrolia Headstash, Pot of Gold and many many more
Pot of Gold runs a super close 2nd though. I really love the PoG. It's sour for my tastes and gets me oh so happy stoned.
Ok maybe the PoG is my fav...
I'm having difficulties deciding!!!
Maybe if I could run all the strains I listed + some Thai and some Nigerian I could make myself happy.


Btw the laws in my area are fine...My city has Cannabis listed as the lowest police priority. You literally have to be caught smoking a joint in broad daylight in the middle of the city to get in trouble for it. And even then the cop could very well just run you off from smoking in public...I can grow 90 plants and have 100 sq ft legally...That's pretty chill. Now having a mountaintop covered would be ideal but that's the future.

San diego sucks though. I'm not that south. + I'm not a huge dispensary fan so I don't mind cities closing them down. Most of them were spreading shit ass genetics around anyways + selling their products at hugely inflated prices.

Pretty plants... I'm such a sucker for pure sativas, with their long limbs and slinky good looks... and beautiful highs!

Are you doing an open pollination or will you be selecting?

I have around 20 Highland Thai and maybe 30 Kerala.
I will take clones from the Highland Thai and use the male
Kerala to pollinate everything. Then, I will flower the clones
and produce Highland Thai seeds. This way I will walk away
with pure Kerala, pure Highland Thai seeds and a nice hybrid
of the two. The only plants that will be culled are sick looking
plants. I will try to keep as many plants as possible. Later on,
I may try and do some selecting work. That will probably be
with the hybrid that I want to create.

Sounds cool, will be interesting to watch

Are you looking to stabilise the hybrid then, or will that depend on what your cross is like?

I will grow a few of the hybrid and grow another secret breed with them and cross them all together.
The secret breed will be the male plants in this future hybrid grow. This way I will walk away with more
of my special breed and another hybrid. This plant will be like a female hybrid of Highland Thai(F)xKerala(M)
crossed with a male of my secret breed. This secret breed by the way is a pure sativa hybrid of high caliber.
I am pretty sure that when I create this second hybrid using all the sativas breed in my collection that it will
be something worthy of anyone's collection. I will probably reveal the identity of my secret breed only after
it's all said and done. I don't want someone out there thinking wow, Corky1968 has a good idea and then go
and beat me to it. Once I create it and prove that I did it first it won't matter. Cause people really do only
remember the original crosses and breeds. The knockoffs are forgotten easily in time.

Oh cool, a 3 way hybrid.

Do you need to stabilise the original cross before you make the new cross with your secret breed and stabilise that, or can you just go straight to stabilising the final 3 way?

Or are you not going to bother stabilising it?

I don't know an awful lot about breeding, but I'm trying to learn

Well Marijuana Botany by Robert Clarke is a very good book to buy.
I just bought the Cannabis Breeder's bible by Greg Green.It's very
good. I recommend that you get both both and you'll have some
good headway into breeding.

As for my hybrids,etc I will stabilize the first hybrid after it's all said
and done as well as the second hybrid. Yes, it would be better to grow
bunch of the first hybrid, then stabilize them. Pick the best for creating
the second hybrid. Only I don't want to wait forever to create my dream
plant. Since it will take anywhere from 5 to 7 months to finish growing
and breeding pure sativa plants. I don't want to grow until they reach the
F4 or higher stage, before crossing it to my secret breed. If I did that I
would have to wait close to 2 years just to cross my stabilized plant of
my Highland Thai X Kerala hybrid with my secret breed. I don't want
my seeds to die of old age. Cause then I would cry. Once I have fresh
seeds and they are stored in a dark container with a little rice for a
dessicant then I will do the stabilizing work.

I believe that good breeding is having great genetics and a fine eye at what
is going on around you. For example: take cooking for instance. Off topic, I
know. But give ten different people the same kind of pasta, the same water,
spices, sauce and I can promiss you that you'll notice that the cooks are just
as important as the ingredients. Some will be better at cooking. I believe
that breeding is like that. Keep reading online and in books then practice and
practice some more. My warning to you is that they say smoking cannabis
is not addicting. Breeding on the other hand is my Achille's Tendon. I can't
stop thinking about it.

Good Luck 2 You

Hah, yeah, I just recently started storing my seed properly... I think that's partly what has me wanting to do it actually, sorting through a ton of accidental seed from a previous grow I'm growing out 5 of them atm and the plants look tremendously healthy... really enjoyed it, even though it was just an accident.

All the different aspects of plant breeding really fascinate me, I can see how it would be addictive. Thanks for the recommendations! I wouldn't order books like that online though, so will have to hunt them out in a shop I guess

Best of luck with your endeavour man, I hope it all goes to plan for you. Will be watching

Corky wouldn't you say good breeding is also letting people know what the genetics are?

I find that hiding your genetics is more commercialism than breeding.


Sorry to be the peanut gallery here. I do enjoy your posts and don't wish to detract from you here.

Well, the hiding is commercialism, but the breeding is still breeding, and he'll tell us after, so what's the problem?

I don't really have a problem with people wanting to sell seeds personally.

I don't have a problem with it either honestly and like I said I'm not trying to detract from his thread by asking that question. You can sell seeds without hiding the genetics for 2 reasons. A you can create a bunch of F1's to sell (which is what MOST seed breeders do these days) so when you create F2's you have a wide variety of seeds not just the one you thought you had in the F1's. And 2nd with genetics the way they are who is to say that someone COULD create the same seeds. Knock offs are always knock offs.


Also where do you see that the secret breed will be released at a later date?

Regardless my intent is not to change Corky's thinking or ways I was just asking a question.

He said so here :-
"I will probably reveal the identity of my secret breed only after
it's all said and done. "

He just wants to get there first

Yodel and Eri: Guys, guys:: Please don't get upset, etc. about
the identity of my secret breed. I do want to clarify before things go too far.
I've read too many threads that just go off topic and crazy. I don't want that
to happen here.

1. If what I was doing was in any way commercialism I would certainly not be
revealing how I'm going to breed my male Kerala to my female Highland Thai.
Then move on to my secret sativa for creating my dream plant. I'm pretty sure
that most commercial breeders out here would not reveal their breeding ideas
to the public. Also, to date I have NEVER sold a seed.

For example: Imagine calling up Sensi Seed Bank and asking them exactly how
they created let's say their Jack Herer,etc. Or, calling up let's say Serious Seeds
and asking them how they created their Ak-47. I have a feeling that most if not
all commercial Seed Banks would tell you "IT'S All A SECRET SORRY."

2. My conscious is very clear. I did post earlier in post # 36 of this thread that I will
probably reveal the identity of my SECRET BREED. Just know that there are too
many old breeds out there that have been lost due to the breeder keeping the all
their formulas to success a secret. I will not let that happen. In good time, it will
be revealed.

3. I can promise the world that when my Dream Plant gets created and grown.
That I will probably post it for the world to see and the formula that created it.
But, that is a going to be a while before that happens. Maybe, you too can
breed something else in the meantime.

Ok enough 4 now, time to burn another Lebanese. Have a nice day to all.

Right on man sorry for side tracking your thread. What I was getting at is what you said in #2 about strains being lost because breeders hold on too tightly to their formulas.

And sorry for not seeing that you were going to release the name at a later date. I have dyslexia so sometimes I miss stuff

Happy blazing.

Maybe, it's all the cannabis around in this place that makes us say weird things at time.
I'm not perfect, but I do try and proof-read what I type before the edit option leaves.
It's so easy writing something and/or and saying something that is not what you meant
or gets taken the wrong way. Formulas get lost cause the breeder gets too old or gives
up. I still have many years ahead and will write everything down. So as not to let memory
cloud the facts at a latter date.

Don't worry, this will be a long road to my goal though. Do have a nice day.
Chow 4 now, Yodel.

corky, I've had a thai plant on the go from seed, it's getting tall, just like yours, exhibits lemony smell and is growing fast!!! I have, however had it on 18/6 light and it loves it and every day i check it, it's gotten bigger. i know for sativas like this a 12/12 or less is suggested,...but I'm growing haze crosses and indicas at the same time, and not too fussed what happens to the thai, even though it is a really beautiful plant,....will probably donate to a friend. What I have noticed it white bumps protruding from the lower stem that seem to slowly be getting bigger, they are still small. smaller than a pencil tip, let's say. D'you know what that's all about per chance?,...sorry if this is off topic. Mestizo

I believe that those little white bumps at the bottom of the stem may be
where roots would form if the plant was covered with soil at these sites.
I have noticed bumps like that on cannabis and tomato plants when I
have sprayed water on their stems to often near the soil surface. So
my guess is that's what they are. Root initiation sites. Cover a few
with soil and you'll probably see roots developping after a few days
or a week. A picture would be helpfull. Before you give it to a friend,
you could take a clone and maybe cross it with another plant.

Hiya corky!


Great job you are doing here!A selecta on sativa indoors,sounds like a real challenge...




I will follow your breeding project with attention,because it interest me to the higher point.


Keep up the good work!




Peace!

yep, you're right, gonna upload some photos now, cheers..