Hi all,
I was having a discussion with someone recently who told me that the cannabis sold by most coffee shops (in the Netherlands, etc.), just like dealer weed over here in the UK, is often laced with other drugs - e.g. cocaine, heroine, MDMA, etc. - to enhance the hit and more importantly get you addicted to it. Is this true? I'm aware that dealer weed can contain all sorts of rubbish, but didn't think they'd be so bothered to lace it like this in a coffee shop. The person who I spoke to said that this extra strong weed is (sometimes, I presume) known as 'Super Skunk' and supposedly you can't create so particularly strong a hit without it. How much of this is true?
This guy tells me that he's been smoking the stuff for over twenty years and knows growers etc., but I felt that he was blurring the distinction between dealer weed and coffee shop weed (the latter being relatively contamination free). Am I wrong?
Cheers.
Full Version: Coffee Shops And Contamination
QUOTE (SinfulHedgehog @ Oct 23 2009, 06:31 PM) 
Hi all,
I was having a discussion with someone recently who told me that the cannabis sold by most coffee shops (in the Netherlands, etc.), just like dealer weed over here in the UK, is often laced with other drugs - e.g. cocaine, heroine, MDMA, etc. - to enhance the hit and more importantly get you addicted to it. Is this true? I'm aware that dealer weed can contain all sorts of rubbish, but didn't think they'd be so bothered to lace it like this in a coffee shop. The person who I spoke to said that this extra strong weed is (sometimes, I presume) known as 'Super Skunk' and supposedly you can't create so particularly strong a hit without it. How much of this is true?
This guy tells me that he's been smoking the stuff for over twenty years and knows growers etc., but I felt that he was blurring the distinction between dealer weed and coffee shop weed (the latter being relatively contamination free). Am I wrong?
Cheers.
I was having a discussion with someone recently who told me that the cannabis sold by most coffee shops (in the Netherlands, etc.), just like dealer weed over here in the UK, is often laced with other drugs - e.g. cocaine, heroine, MDMA, etc. - to enhance the hit and more importantly get you addicted to it. Is this true? I'm aware that dealer weed can contain all sorts of rubbish, but didn't think they'd be so bothered to lace it like this in a coffee shop. The person who I spoke to said that this extra strong weed is (sometimes, I presume) known as 'Super Skunk' and supposedly you can't create so particularly strong a hit without it. How much of this is true?
This guy tells me that he's been smoking the stuff for over twenty years and knows growers etc., but I felt that he was blurring the distinction between dealer weed and coffee shop weed (the latter being relatively contamination free). Am I wrong?
Cheers.
i hope so im goin dam for the first time in febuary
QUOTE (SinfulHedgehog @ Oct 23 2009, 07:31 PM)
Hi all,
I was having a discussion with someone recently who told me that the cannabis sold by most coffee shops (in the Netherlands, etc.), just like dealer weed over here in the UK, is often laced with other drugs - e.g. cocaine, heroine, MDMA, etc. - to enhance the hit and more importantly get you addicted to it. Is this true? I'm aware that dealer weed can contain all sorts of rubbish, but didn't think they'd be so bothered to lace it like this in a coffee shop. The person who I spoke to said that this extra strong weed is (sometimes, I presume) known as 'Super Skunk' and supposedly you can't create so particularly strong a hit without it. How much of this is true?
This guy tells me that he's been smoking the stuff for over twenty years and knows growers etc., but I felt that he was blurring the distinction between dealer weed and coffee shop weed (the latter being relatively contamination free). Am I wrong?
Cheers.
I was having a discussion with someone recently who told me that the cannabis sold by most coffee shops (in the Netherlands, etc.), just like dealer weed over here in the UK, is often laced with other drugs - e.g. cocaine, heroine, MDMA, etc. - to enhance the hit and more importantly get you addicted to it. Is this true? I'm aware that dealer weed can contain all sorts of rubbish, but didn't think they'd be so bothered to lace it like this in a coffee shop. The person who I spoke to said that this extra strong weed is (sometimes, I presume) known as 'Super Skunk' and supposedly you can't create so particularly strong a hit without it. How much of this is true?
This guy tells me that he's been smoking the stuff for over twenty years and knows growers etc., but I felt that he was blurring the distinction between dealer weed and coffee shop weed (the latter being relatively contamination free). Am I wrong?
Cheers.
Every so often, whitout notice, the police goes in the cooffe shops and makes a check. This implies a dog and a couple of people judging what the cooffe shop has to sell. The rules are very strict. If even a trace of havey drug is found, the coffee shop closes for good. And this is a fact.
Another fact is that your friend is a moron :n
Sorry mate but this is like nannys advice on not getting drug pills from strangers. I wish it was possible but, unfortunately, you have to pay.
What has happened is that you can find weed with a bit of wite powder on it. Once in brussels it was sold to me and the powder was some kind of afetamine. Said that, it doesn't happen in holland.
The worst thing you can come accross is wet weed
Enjoy.
One word mate - bollocks 
Honestly... ?! Super Skunk is just a name for some relatively strong strain of skunk #1.
Lacing weed with Heroin and MDMA - If anyone actually does this I'll eat my hat. Have you ever smoked/taken smack or crushed up pills? I assure you, you would know!
However if you or your mate can get me an eighth of weed laced with free MDMA and heroin it sounds like a fucking bargain - where exactly are they doing this?!
But hey - I could be wrong!
Honestly... ?! Super Skunk is just a name for some relatively strong strain of skunk #1.
Lacing weed with Heroin and MDMA - If anyone actually does this I'll eat my hat. Have you ever smoked/taken smack or crushed up pills? I assure you, you would know!
However if you or your mate can get me an eighth of weed laced with free MDMA and heroin it sounds like a fucking bargain - where exactly are they doing this?!
But hey - I could be wrong!
Okay. So if not hard drugs, what about other chemicals that get you high? He said that in the 'Dam, the crystals you see (which would naturally be the THC) are often other things. True or not true?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
Bud laced with coke, MDMA, smack etc is a myth, period.
The practice of 'shaking' the bud to remove the trichomes then selling the shaken bud almost certainly did originate in some of the less reputable coffee shops in the 'dam, but the practice of then spraying the shaken bud with substances to replace the trichomes (gritweed) originated over here, it's fairly unlikely you'd find gritweed in a decent coffee shop in the 'dam. Or any coffee shop in the 'dam for that matter.
The practice of 'shaking' the bud to remove the trichomes then selling the shaken bud almost certainly did originate in some of the less reputable coffee shops in the 'dam, but the practice of then spraying the shaken bud with substances to replace the trichomes (gritweed) originated over here, it's fairly unlikely you'd find gritweed in a decent coffee shop in the 'dam. Or any coffee shop in the 'dam for that matter.
If a coffee shop got a rep for tampering with the weed i doubt they would last very long.
Similar to lacing weed with other drugs, its not cost effective really.
I dont know for sure but i've always had clean bud over there.
Volc
Similar to lacing weed with other drugs, its not cost effective really.
I dont know for sure but i've always had clean bud over there.
Volc
Sounds like a load of boll*x mate. Been in the Dam a few times and naver had any experience of any of that...on Purely economic gorund it wouldn't pay to lace the weed with more expensive drugs... If you could get us more info. I'd be happy to investigate when I'm next in the Dam...!!!
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it's fairly unlikely you'd find gritweed in a decent coffee shop in the 'dam. Or any coffee shop in the 'dam for that matter.
There have been reliable reports of 1 or 2 of the lesser scrupulous places selling grit weed i in the past,but theses are the sort of places the locals avoid and tourist only visit once
is a thread somewhere about this topic, titles something like, whats the biggest load of crap you hear people say about cannabis
Haha, this story has probably come about coz somebody thats only smoked dealer weed but thinks they can handle their weed, goes to the dam has one drag of properly grown and cured smoke, and is flying.
But thinks it can't just be the weed coz he can smoke,
Just my randum thought on the situ
But thinks it can't just be the weed coz he can smoke,
Just my randum thought on the situ
Well he is prone to talking bollocks sometimes but also to not explaining himself so well. I reckon it could be one or both in play here. I told him he was talking out of his arse at the time, but I wanted to check to make sure I wasn't being an idiot.
In terms of the UK market, if the trichomes are removed and replaced with other substances, it could be that the end product has a greater hit than you might get from traditional strong weed. There could be an argument that if there is a substance that will get you high but isn't demanded then perhaps a dealer might use it to strengthen a product he knows will sell (i.e. weed) at a greater price for its increased strength. Indeed, using MDMA for example isn't probably lausible as the dealer would get more money for selling it for what it is, I suppose.
In terms of the UK market, if the trichomes are removed and replaced with other substances, it could be that the end product has a greater hit than you might get from traditional strong weed. There could be an argument that if there is a substance that will get you high but isn't demanded then perhaps a dealer might use it to strengthen a product he knows will sell (i.e. weed) at a greater price for its increased strength. Indeed, using MDMA for example isn't probably lausible as the dealer would get more money for selling it for what it is, I suppose.
MDMA's not plausible because you can't smoke it.
QUOTE (grandad @ Oct 24 2009, 04:48 PM)
is a thread somewhere about this topic, titles something like, whats the biggest load of crap you hear people say about cannabis
The only thing i've ever heard of being sprayed on weed after removing the trics is sugar water or some sort of silicone spray.
Could imagine you'd find to much of that in Dam though after all they are trying to run a business.
The guys a fool.
Does he smoke soap bar by any chance?
Does he smoke soap bar by any chance?
QUOTE (Scribb|e @ Oct 24 2009, 05:22 PM)
MDMA's not plausible because you can't smoke it.
There you go then. (Shows what I know about other drugs. 
)
JOG ON MATE 
Thats as plausible as Asda adding £20 notes to the pockets of their £10 jeans to make them sell better.
QUOTE (THC4METOO @ Oct 24 2009, 10:36 PM)
Thats as plausible as Asda adding £20 notes to the pockets of their £10 jeans to make them sell better.
I have smoked MDMA in a joint. It did, precisely, wait for it.... FUCK ALL
Sinful hedgehog you've been a mmeber of this site for nearly a year. 
You've made 400odd posts.
You must have read many many more than that.
Why are you even considering that your mate might be even partly right?
, funny post anyway...
Monk...x
You've made 400odd posts.
You must have read many many more than that.
Why are you even considering that your mate might be even partly right?
, funny post anyway... Monk...x
Lacing marijuana is rare and almost always added after it is purchased from a dealer by the purchaser. Because of the very high cost of other illegal substances and the cost of marijuana on the streets it is sensible that one is not going to be receiving laced marijuana.
Cannabis is sprayed with cheap chemicals, such as lead or embalming fluid [1], in order to increase weight and therefore profit; lacing has become so widespread that there are even commercial products on the market (such as brix+) for this very purpose. Some Cannabis adulterants are applied by spraying the complete plant 7 to 10 days prior to harvest date. The health effects of this adulterated cannabis are not yet known.
One of the most regularly told urban myths regarding cannabis talks about various other recreational substances such as PCP or cocaine being used to adulterate cannabis. This is rare without the end user paying more for the cannabis, as it does not make economic sense for drug dealers to add a more expensive drug such as cocaine to an inexpensive drug such as cannabis. Unsubstantiated legends have long abounded of dealers adding addictive substances such as methamphetamine to cannabis to promote return customers or to move users to a more profitable drug.
In the Netherlands two chemical analogs of Sildenafil (Viagra) were found in adulterated marihuana.[2]
In 2008, 30 German teenagers were hospitalized after the marijuana which they smoked was found to have been contaminated with lead, which was added in order to increase its weight.[3] A similar incident occurred in suburban Chicago in 2007, when teenagers were hospitalized for smoking lead-laced marijuana.[4]
Cannabis is sprayed with cheap chemicals, such as lead or embalming fluid [1], in order to increase weight and therefore profit; lacing has become so widespread that there are even commercial products on the market (such as brix+) for this very purpose. Some Cannabis adulterants are applied by spraying the complete plant 7 to 10 days prior to harvest date. The health effects of this adulterated cannabis are not yet known.
One of the most regularly told urban myths regarding cannabis talks about various other recreational substances such as PCP or cocaine being used to adulterate cannabis. This is rare without the end user paying more for the cannabis, as it does not make economic sense for drug dealers to add a more expensive drug such as cocaine to an inexpensive drug such as cannabis. Unsubstantiated legends have long abounded of dealers adding addictive substances such as methamphetamine to cannabis to promote return customers or to move users to a more profitable drug.
In the Netherlands two chemical analogs of Sildenafil (Viagra) were found in adulterated marihuana.[2]
In 2008, 30 German teenagers were hospitalized after the marijuana which they smoked was found to have been contaminated with lead, which was added in order to increase its weight.[3] A similar incident occurred in suburban Chicago in 2007, when teenagers were hospitalized for smoking lead-laced marijuana.[4]
QUOTE (Laughing Grass @ Oct 24 2009, 11:04 PM)
One of the most regularly told urban myths regarding cannabis talks about various other recreational substances such as PCP or cocaine being used to adulterate cannabis.
PCP could be what he meant. Is it really an urban myth? From Wiki:
QUOTE
Recreational use
Illicit PCP seized by the DEA in several forms.
PCP comes in both powder and liquid forms (PCP base is dissolved most often in ether), but typically it is sprayed onto leafy material such as marijuana, mint, oregano, parsley, or ginger leaves, then smoked.
PCP is a Schedule II substance in the United States, a List II drug of the Opium Law in the Netherlands and a Class A substance in the United Kingdom.
[edit] Method of absorption
The term "embalming fluid" is often used to refer to the liquid PCP in which a cigarette or joint is dipped, to be ingested through smoking, commonly known as "boat" or "water." Smoking PCP is known as "getting wet." A tobacco cigarette or cannabis joint dipped in PCP is called by the street names "sherm stick," "sherm," "fry stick," "amp," "toe tag", "dippa", "happy stick," and "wet stick." There is much confusion over the practice of dipping cigarettes in "embalming fluid" leading some to think that real embalming fluid may actually be used. Smoking actual formaldehyde will cause intoxication, but may cause serious health consequences beyond those of consuming PCP, due to the toxicity of formaldehyde and other embalming chemicals. The slang term "embalming fluid" likely originated from PCP's somatic "numbing" effect and the feeling of physical dissociation from the body. This is one of the fastest growing means of using PCP, especially in the western United States where its is sold for about $10 to $25 per joint or cigarette.
In its pure (base) form, PCP is a yellow oil (usually dissolved in petroleum or diethyl ether or tetrahydrofuran). Upon treatment with hydrogen chloride gas, or HCL saturated isopropyl alcohol, this oil precipitates into white - tan crystals or powder (PCP hydrochloride) In this form, PCP can be insufflated, depending upon the purity. However, most PCP on the illicit market contains a number of contaminants as a result of makeshift manufacturing, causing the color to range from tan to brown, and the consistency to range from powder to a gummy mass. These contaminants can range from unreacted piperidine and other precursors, to carcinogens like benzene and cyanide - like compounds such as PCC (piperidinocyclohexyl carbonitrile).
[edit] Effects
Behavioural effects can vary by dosage. Small doses produce a numbness in the extremities and intoxication, characterized by staggering, unsteady gait, slurred speech, bloodshot eyes, and loss of balance. Moderate doses (5–10 mg intranasal, or 0.01-0.02 mg/kg intramuscular or intravenous) will produce analgesia and anesthesia. High doses may lead to convulsions.[15]
Psychological effects include severe changes in body image, loss of ego boundaries, and depersonalization. Hallucinations and euphoria are reported infrequently.[15]
The drug has been known to alter mood states in an unpredictable fashion, causing some individuals to become detached, and others to become animated. Intoxicated individuals may act in an unpredictable fashion, driven by their delusions and hallucinations.
Included in the portfolio of behavioral disturbances are acts of self-injury including suicide, and attacks on others or destruction of property. The analgesic properties of the drug can cause users to feel less pain, and persist in violent or injurious acts as a result. Recreational doses of the drug can also induce a psychotic state that resembles schizophrenic episodes which can last for months at a time with toxic doses. Users generally report an "out-of-body" experience where they feel detached from reality, or one's consciousness seems somewhat disconnected from consensus reality.
Symptoms are summarized by the mnemonic device RED DANES: rage, erythema (redness of skin), dilated pupils, delusions, amnesia, nystagmus (oscillation of the eyeball when moving laterally), excitation, and skin dryness.[16]
Illicit PCP seized by the DEA in several forms.
PCP comes in both powder and liquid forms (PCP base is dissolved most often in ether), but typically it is sprayed onto leafy material such as marijuana, mint, oregano, parsley, or ginger leaves, then smoked.
PCP is a Schedule II substance in the United States, a List II drug of the Opium Law in the Netherlands and a Class A substance in the United Kingdom.
[edit] Method of absorption
The term "embalming fluid" is often used to refer to the liquid PCP in which a cigarette or joint is dipped, to be ingested through smoking, commonly known as "boat" or "water." Smoking PCP is known as "getting wet." A tobacco cigarette or cannabis joint dipped in PCP is called by the street names "sherm stick," "sherm," "fry stick," "amp," "toe tag", "dippa", "happy stick," and "wet stick." There is much confusion over the practice of dipping cigarettes in "embalming fluid" leading some to think that real embalming fluid may actually be used. Smoking actual formaldehyde will cause intoxication, but may cause serious health consequences beyond those of consuming PCP, due to the toxicity of formaldehyde and other embalming chemicals. The slang term "embalming fluid" likely originated from PCP's somatic "numbing" effect and the feeling of physical dissociation from the body. This is one of the fastest growing means of using PCP, especially in the western United States where its is sold for about $10 to $25 per joint or cigarette.
In its pure (base) form, PCP is a yellow oil (usually dissolved in petroleum or diethyl ether or tetrahydrofuran). Upon treatment with hydrogen chloride gas, or HCL saturated isopropyl alcohol, this oil precipitates into white - tan crystals or powder (PCP hydrochloride) In this form, PCP can be insufflated, depending upon the purity. However, most PCP on the illicit market contains a number of contaminants as a result of makeshift manufacturing, causing the color to range from tan to brown, and the consistency to range from powder to a gummy mass. These contaminants can range from unreacted piperidine and other precursors, to carcinogens like benzene and cyanide - like compounds such as PCC (piperidinocyclohexyl carbonitrile).
[edit] Effects
Behavioural effects can vary by dosage. Small doses produce a numbness in the extremities and intoxication, characterized by staggering, unsteady gait, slurred speech, bloodshot eyes, and loss of balance. Moderate doses (5–10 mg intranasal, or 0.01-0.02 mg/kg intramuscular or intravenous) will produce analgesia and anesthesia. High doses may lead to convulsions.[15]
Psychological effects include severe changes in body image, loss of ego boundaries, and depersonalization. Hallucinations and euphoria are reported infrequently.[15]
The drug has been known to alter mood states in an unpredictable fashion, causing some individuals to become detached, and others to become animated. Intoxicated individuals may act in an unpredictable fashion, driven by their delusions and hallucinations.
Included in the portfolio of behavioral disturbances are acts of self-injury including suicide, and attacks on others or destruction of property. The analgesic properties of the drug can cause users to feel less pain, and persist in violent or injurious acts as a result. Recreational doses of the drug can also induce a psychotic state that resembles schizophrenic episodes which can last for months at a time with toxic doses. Users generally report an "out-of-body" experience where they feel detached from reality, or one's consciousness seems somewhat disconnected from consensus reality.
Symptoms are summarized by the mnemonic device RED DANES: rage, erythema (redness of skin), dilated pupils, delusions, amnesia, nystagmus (oscillation of the eyeball when moving laterally), excitation, and skin dryness.[16]
I think your mates making excuses for being a lightweight. Most of the bud I had out there last time was well average, I would have paid extra for the stuff laced with pcp
QUOTE (chewable_madness @ Oct 24 2009, 04:51 PM)
Haha, this story has probably come about coz somebody thats only smoked dealer weed but thinks they can handle their weed, goes to the dam has one drag of properly grown and cured smoke, and is flying.
But thinks it can't just be the weed coz he can smoke,
Just my randum thought on the situ
But thinks it can't just be the weed coz he can smoke,
Just my randum thought on the situ
QUOTE (Mono @ Oct 24 2009, 11:08 PM)
Sinful hedgehog you've been a mmeber of this site for nearly a year.
You've made 400odd posts.
You must have read many many more than that.
Why are you even considering that your mate might be even partly right?
, funny post anyway...
Monk...x
You've made 400odd posts.
You must have read many many more than that.
Why are you even considering that your mate might be even partly right?
, funny post anyway... Monk...x
excellent reply mono
come on pal ... Has or is the goodship 420 not taught/teaching you anything in 462 posts ??
Driptray
QUOTE (SinfulHedgehog @ Oct 24 2009, 03:55 PM)
Okay. So if not hard drugs, what about other chemicals that get you high? He said that in the 'Dam, the crystals you see (which would naturally be the THC) are often other things. True or not true?
Thanks again.
Thanks again.
chatting shit sorry man!
Deffinately sprayed weed in the uk normally sugar, sand etc... but in holland although the prosess of getting the weed is not legal the coffee shops are highly regulated and if you pick the right coffee shop for you then you getting nothing but good time.........
......infact im in holland right now just smoked a sweet spliff of Haze S5.... about to have another, got 7days of this!!
all i can say is grow your own and see for yourself what propper bud looks like! Fu** your dealer!
I can't really say what coffeeshops can be trusted any more than others these days. I used to buy my weed from cafe 420, but recently I was over there and paid 13 quid for a gram of some nevilles haze which turned out to be rather poor. I think they all have set menus and the quality of each type of weed is largely dependent upon their suppliers. Sadly, when they get a shit batch in they don't tend to drop the price, they don't need to because tourists will still buy them.
I eventually scored some nice bud from greenhouse, new york diesel and some other stuff from the bio-organic range. I'd recommend sticking to the organic stuff.
I eventually scored some nice bud from greenhouse, new york diesel and some other stuff from the bio-organic range. I'd recommend sticking to the organic stuff.
QUOTE (driptray @ Oct 25 2009, 05:45 PM)
excellent reply mono
come on pal ... Has or is the goodship 420 not taught/teaching you anything in 462 posts ??
Driptray
come on pal ... Has or is the goodship 420 not taught/teaching you anything in 462 posts ??
Driptray
Yes, of course, which is why I came here to check. That said, if he says that he's been doing MJ for the last twenty years then I'm gonna want to clarify. After all, I get things wrong sometimes.
Having decided that this would never happen in a coffee shop, suppose a dealer in the UK were to spray cheap weed with PCP what do you reckon the price would be? (I'm only interested in realistic answers here - no guessing - if you don't know roughly what PCP costs then don't answer.) I want to know if there's an argument to say that that could be viable.
Have a good time in the 'Dam.
I go 3 or 4 times a year, I used to live there in the 60's and there's more pride taken in growing the best than bothering to stick shit and stuff in it, you can make more growing good weed than contaminating it.
OK, so they have the Cup in November and it's a bit commercial, however if High Times is offering to let people buy judges passes and take you on a bus and judge - WTF, why bother ?
Ignore it man and go have a good time - see you there at Christmas
I go 3 or 4 times a year, I used to live there in the 60's and there's more pride taken in growing the best than bothering to stick shit and stuff in it, you can make more growing good weed than contaminating it.
OK, so they have the Cup in November and it's a bit commercial, however if High Times is offering to let people buy judges passes and take you on a bus and judge - WTF, why bother ?
Ignore it man and go have a good time - see you there at Christmas
QUOTE (calgacus @ Oct 25 2009, 07:07 PM)
..........................I used to buy my weed from cafe 420, .........................scored some nice bud from greenhouse..........
Get out of the centre touristy bits and get yourself to a CS where the Dutch smoke, why not use your strippenkart and go somewhere like Kashmiri Lounge or beyond
its a mix of 4 litres of leak per hydro pound according to tame one, if that helps. other such useful insights may be found on the album Leak Bros.
also i know we're not allowed discussing class A's much but i fucking love molly.
thread turned out pretty great sinful
also i know we're not allowed discussing class A's much but i fucking love molly.
thread turned out pretty great sinful
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