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illegallevz
many weeds ive smoked i can look at and say dey look nice!!dey smell out da whole ov my house!! but da taste doesnt live up to wat it shud be many have a funny aftertaste so im on a quest to get it right ive always fout it was a case ov flushing correctly???but im not sure because ive also heard to much water may make u lose taste so im looking for help?????
thedalcdog
as far as i can tell it's to do with a few things.

one may be the nutes you are using - i think organics are prefered.
the main thing i think is the drying and then the curing stage. the longer you cure them the better the taste and high. some people take up to 8weeks curing that i've seen.

but i'm a newbie so hopefully someone in the know will pop along..
powerband
QUOTE (thedalcdog @ Oct 23 2009, 12:54 PM) *
i think organics are prefered.
the main thing i think is the drying and then the curing stage. the longer you cure them the better the taste and high. some people take up to 8weeks curing that i've seen.


I think a lot is to do with the feed... chemical nutes taste of chemicals whistling.gif even after a good flush I can taste whether its an organic grow.
Also I believe yer right with regards to curing.... I have cured some weeds for up to 6 months to improve there flavour and smoke. It certainly plays a main part in my growing techniques, smooths the smoke too.... definitely, well cured weed tastes scrumdiddly biggrin.gif


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Psycho-tik
flush one week up to 10 days.
have your drying chamber prepared before doing the chop.it should be clean as f*ck.,temps between 17 celcius and 19 celcius.
50% humidity , and one oscillating fan aimed at the wall , never at the plants.
The growing chamber should be pitchblack.
as you cut the plant , the plant should be hung immediately ( can't stress this enough).
dry 3 weeks, and pinch out the leaves after by hand.

after-dry using cardboard boxes, or simply back on the drying line.
when the buds are near brittle , pack them in clean bags, or preferrably glass jars ( desinfected).
open the back / jar after 24 hours being packed in them.
after that , repeat every 3 days.
after one month in total you bud should be tasty and dry.
place in mason jars in fridge.screw out the lightbulb in your fridge.

this will help keeping flavour.
dogzilla
QUOTE (Psycho-tik @ Oct 23 2009, 08:51 PM) *
place in mason jars in fridge.screw out the lightbulb in your fridge.

this will help keeping flavour.


I've never seen a fridge that kept the light on when you close it.. they all have a little switch that turns the light on an off m8 smile.gif

smokie1 b c f c
i have the same problem,i grow organic with b bizz grow and bloom ,and have been trying a few diff things ,first i dont overfeed if possible, and dont use chem ferts ,i stopped the boost/pk and just use a tad more grow and bloom mixed to ot1s feed guide, now ive found out through tests that as said ,pitch black drying room and a relative humidity and at 15c or as close to 15c ,and leave a outlet fan on 24/7 .il be trying the ocilating fan at the wall job now ive just read that.and a dust free room/clean it first if dusty,i hope sum more members who no more will be along soon,as im a newbie compared to them stoned.gif
bluedemon
I flush for the last week to two weeks and stop feeding grow about three weeks before the end. My drying time is usually 1-2 weeks ,2 in the winter maybe a touch longer and then air sealed in a dark corner. I like the coarse taste fresh from drying personally, as you can really taste the flavor but millions would disagree.
Ganjaman
Organic there is no need to flush just lower your feed to the end. Also dont have fans blowing on your drying weed as it will flash dry them and leave the chlorophyll taste behind. I leave mine in a cardboard box with no fans just a few holes and leave for two week then into curing jars for at least a week
yayaya
so are we saying we chop and hang the whole plant for 2 week or chop the buds off and hang them or dosnt it matter

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Psycho-tik
chop plants and dry.
only when the plant is dry: cut off the buds.

you want minimal wounds on the plants, as wounds allow micro-organisms to penetrate the plant.thats when the flavour gets lost.
ideally , you don't even touch/bruise the plant..just hold at base, chop it off , and hang a.s.a.p.

every time i bruised a bud when still wet , that very area was affected by it.
when you chop a plant it isn't dead yet.
it must die in peace = drying process.
prawn
QUOTE (Psycho-tik @ Oct 25 2009, 01:15 AM) *
you want minimal wounds on the plants, as wounds allow micro-organisms to penetrate the plant.thats when the flavour gets lost.


that's a new one on me unsure.gif ... I trim my plants just after chopping (for me it's easier than when dry) and then cut each branch and hang in a dusty loft for two weeks... I have tried different ways (hang the whole plant - cardboard boxes etc.) but It makes no difference- the only important factors are humidity & temperature which affects the time it takes for the buds to dry (two/three weeks is good-40% humidity 18C temps give me best results) and a damn good cure afterwards thumbsup.gif
illegallevz
freezer drying has any done this b4?
driptray
QUOTE (illegallevz @ Oct 26 2009, 12:42 AM) *
freezer drying has any done this b4?


WTF ??

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so wat happens when ya take your frozen weed outa the fridge...... it thaws out an gets damp..... and...............then ?????

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Stixman
a slow dry in total darkness , 60 degrees with good air exchange to keep the humidity low.

u need do nothing more smoke.gif
Stixman
QUOTE (driptray @ Oct 26 2009, 12:22 AM) *
WTF ??

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so wat happens when ya take your frozen weed outa the fridge...... it thaws out an gets damp..... and...............then ?????

Driptray smile.gif

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thumbsup.gif drip! id freeze my vege out my garden if that was the case..the bud would just turn to mush once thawed.
Randalizer
I have nothing but rave reviews on the taste and smoothness of my herb. And I don't cure per se.

I grow organic/compost/indoors. Last feed is one week prior to going into darkness. I don't water 3-4 days prior to dark.

I strip my plants of all sun leaves and then let the plants sit in dark for 2-6 days (6 days is preferred). Then I cut the branches off the main stem, trim completely and then hang to dry for about 9 days in a well ventilated room in total dark. From there the nugs and buds are trimmed off the stems (if needed) and put in a sealed glass jar.

No burping, no sitting around for 6 months. Works a treat! smoke.gif
JGP
Just wondering why u leave in darkness Randolizer?Any benefits i should know of?
weedmonsta
i tried randalizers method last crop.... for me the benefits were

1. took less time to dry properly (as i suppose the chlorophyll had already broken down-yellow leaves).
2. easier to trim as leaves fall off easily after a week to 10 days in the dark.
3. cured faster
4. slightly more crystal production

this is of course my experience from two plants and im not saying it will e the same for every plant but im willing to do it again with another

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KC
Best way to keep the smell is drying as slowly as you can i find, although it can be difficult if you have central heating on in the house. Ideally i like to dry at 15c, takes much longer but i think there is a definite improvement in taste and flavour than drying at 20c say.
Chemically fed weed can taste just as well as organics i've found so i wouldn't worry too much about feeds, as long as they are used correctly smile.gif
Weedio
QUOTE (driptray @ Oct 26 2009, 12:22 AM) *
WTF ??

rofl.gif
so wat happens when ya take your frozen weed outa the fridge...... it thaws out an gets damp..... and...............then ?????

Driptray smile.gif

e2a spelling bag.gif


I actually had some trim in the freezer for months that i hadn't dried.
I took it out, left it out overnight and next day it was bone dry. Bone dry.
Considering throwing a bud in there and seeing if it works, alot of the moisture was outside of the leaf when it was being thawed.
Tree Man
In my experience so far... the best way to keep taste and flavour is .....

1. Pick a good strain
2. Grow well !
3. Only Organic!!! Compost.Nutes.Additives
4. Leave to finish FULLY in flower (for turpines to develop)
4. Flush (even Organic)
5. Chop and trim well (get rid of excess leaf material.. shake/leaf tastes shit)
6. Hang buds in good place to dry. (Your grow room is best enviroment.. lights off .. only extract fan on)
7. Leave till stems in bud snap when bent (very little moisure left)
8. Put in airtight sealed jars (burp daily for a week or so untill musty smell dissapears)
9. Keep sealed in jars in the dark... keep checking them over a month or two.
10. Open and smoke the best tasting weed you've ever had!

thats what i reckon anyway
Psycho-tik
I used to rant about organic.
Turns out that well grown rockwool bud can be just as good.
BUT one has to underfeed during the flowering fase of rockwool.
Flush once a week.
And use minimum of ferts.

If done so , and cured properly , rockwool buds are absolutely inditiguishable from bio grown buds.
Also- the standardization of a bigger grow cannot be accomplished as well when using soil.

Soil releases nutes at higher temps of the medium;.

I know Many will call me a retard for saying all this.

I am a biogrower gone rockwool, and I just may be ahead of my time.

(Awaiting trolls as i type)

Grimweeder
ive jus done some in organic but before used pure coco with a/b nutes an a few other adds an the coco defo taste much much better.
gonna try leaving em longer to dry ina cooler atmosphere as im having the same probs with taste(always have tho) not bein as good as i hope at mo it takes about 3-5 days to dry. turns out proper nice but i think terpens get killed off quit easily with small amounts of heat dependin on strain. so cooler is defo better.
prawn
QUOTE (Psycho-tik @ Oct 27 2009, 07:21 AM) *
I used to rant about organic.
Turns out that well grown rockwool bud can be just as good.
BUT one has to underfeed during the flowering fase of rockwool.
Flush once a week.
And use minimum of ferts.

If done so , and cured properly , rockwool buds are absolutely inditiguishable from bio grown buds.
Also- the standardization of a bigger grow cannot be accomplished as well when using soil.

Soil releases nutes at higher temps of the medium;.

I know Many will call me a retard for saying all this.

I am a biogrower gone rockwool, and I just may be ahead of my time.

(Awaiting trolls as i type)


this is the second time you've given dodgy information, I don't think you know what you're talking about.....
bilZ
the selected strain,style of grow and nutrients are the main factors (i think most people will agree) i think the best tasting buds are grown in organic soil with organic nutrients like Bio-Bizz or Canna. to make em taste nice just stop the feed a week before chopping, then just water them. if you are using salt based nutrients (it will always say on the label) then flushing is recommended 2 weeks before chopping, first phase of the flush is to clean the soil of salt buildups by aggressively watering them (twice the pot capacity) then just water them normally as required, and stop the watering about two days before chopping. this method is risky however as the extra watering can cause mold, so make sure you have a good extractor and air intake.
i personally dont like leaving my finished plants in bone dry soil for very long as from my previous experience this makes my bud go all crackly when its smoked and makes the smoke a bit heavy on the chest (again this is just from my past experience)

to dry them i just chop trim and hang in cardboard boxes in a dark cupboard with no light penetrating in. when the sticks snap really easily between the fingers then just smack em in mason jars then store in a cool dark place and burp the jars every couple of days and the taste in my view over time gets better and better. usually takes around 2 months to fully cure, but again this depends on how dry they were before putting them in.

now as for flavor, this depends on stain and your personal preference and what you do with it !! so many people have disrespected my weed by rolling shit spliffs lol.gif....
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