SAPFO
Oct 22 2009, 07:47 PM
As title says.
Will it do harm?
SAPFO
Oct 22 2009, 08:30 PM
Not even 1 view!!! BUUUUMP!!
The Budmyster
Oct 22 2009, 08:32 PM
[quote name='SAPFO' date='Oct 22 2009, 08:47 PM' post='1970653']
As title says.
Will it do harm?
SAPFO
Oct 22 2009, 08:37 PM
windowsilllowryder?
Oct 22 2009, 08:46 PM
sorry mate dont know but hopefully the bump will lead ya to some1 who knows
bizzaro73
Oct 22 2009, 09:49 PM
.just add it and re bubble bro no sweat.
anyow its the sugar/black stuff that feeds the essence.Catalyst is like full of micro nutes ect.ya can add that anytime.
SAPFO
Oct 22 2009, 10:48 PM
Ive already sprayed the litre of essence & molasses. How do you mean? Brew up again from the start...or stick the catalyst into some water and spray that on top of what ive already sprayed?
bizzaro73
Oct 22 2009, 11:20 PM
Naah just leave it now,..ya dont have to add the catalyst.
like maxi-crop can be used as a catalyst too.
did your essence foam up??..if it did then it worked.the catalyst added will be taken thru the leaves on spraying,bit like a perk up.
SAPFO
Oct 22 2009, 11:34 PM
Surface bubbles, but nothing like on the packaging. I added a flat teaspoon of essence. Should I of added more?
bizzaro73
Oct 23 2009, 12:05 AM
was it warm enough bro??
the catalyst might serve to speed up the reaction slightly but ya shoulda been ok.
SAPFO
Oct 23 2009, 12:19 AM
I added the Molasses to the 1 ltr of water and left the airstone in for 1 hour.
Added a flat teaspoon of essence and left for 12 hours.
Then sprayed (the instructions say add the catslyst here?)
So is it add the catalyst then spray, or do you have to leave it in for a while?
bizzaro73
Oct 23 2009, 12:26 AM
to be perfectly honest im not sure why the catalyst is needed??...after all it does indeed say to add just b4 spraying.
im sure we'll find out tho.
Stixman
Oct 23 2009, 01:42 AM
maybe its used to feed the Bacteria/fungi after its been sprayed onto the plant??
i think the brew needs to be kept between 22 to 32 degrees after adding the essence and works out to about a heaped teaspoon of essence per ltr,i weigh the essence and follow pro libs guide.
http://www.uk420.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=147113you should have lots of froth after around 8 hrs
Boojum
Oct 23 2009, 01:50 AM
Dunno about plant magic essence, but a catalyst is just something that precipitates or speeds up a chemical process.
SAPFO
Oct 23 2009, 08:46 AM
So catalyst is addde just before you spray?
bizzaro73
Oct 23 2009, 09:17 AM
QUOTE (Boojum @ Oct 23 2009, 02:50 AM)

Dunno about plant magic essence, but a catalyst is just something that precipitates or speeds up a chemical process.
exactly booj,..but wether it speeds up the brew process im not sure.
bizzaro73
Oct 23 2009, 09:19 AM
QUOTE (SAPFO @ Oct 23 2009, 09:46 AM)

So catalyst is addde just before you spray?
guess so,i mean iv allways done it that way.but as to why ya NEED to add the catalyst i dunno really.i mean scientificly i dunno.
SAPFO
Oct 23 2009, 09:32 AM
They look fine. Ill brew another up 2mo and hopefull get this right. Ill add a little more essence this time.
I sprayed my current hydro grow and my new compost grow.
My hydro grow has gone pear, it seems to have stopped growing. 7 weeks into flower. The res is emptying but no growth except little 1/8ths popping up here and there.
oldtimer1
Oct 23 2009, 10:07 AM
Sugar feeds and stimulates bacteria into life and a seaweed extract stimulates and feeds fungi, it helps bring spores to life and supports them while they get established.
A catalyst in none chemical terms, is something that stimulates/stimulation, sparks, spurs, incites, adds impetus to make a change happen. It could be a person making a speach that caused a revolution.
Tutu
Oct 25 2009, 07:34 AM
QUOTE (oldtimer1 @ Oct 23 2009, 10:07 AM)

Sugar feeds and stimulates bacteria into life and a seaweed extract stimulates and feeds fungi, it helps bring spores to life and supports them while they get established.
A catalyst in none chemical terms, is something that stimulates/stimulation, sparks, spurs, incites, adds impetus to make a change happen. It could be a person making a speach that caused a revolution.
Will any seaweed extract do I'm thinking maxicrop or vitax both have sequestrated iron in them I believe.
In beer making we sometimes make starters, which is add yeast to a demijohn with water sugar solution leave the yeast for a day or so to get going then add that mix to the main brew.
I was thinking something similar make up a small dose of essence with mollasses and seaweed, then add more water and mollasess and seaweed to brew up loads of bacteria and funghi before dosing. Then I can make the essence last a lot longer with 0 negative effects except to plant magic who'll get slightly less of my money (I think they get enough of my cash as it is.)
oldtimer1
Oct 25 2009, 09:45 AM
It would be nice to make more wouldn't it Tutu, we have been through this before, brewing yeast is brewing “one” specific pure culture, as long as not contaminated you just get more of that culture by brewing longer. Essence has nearly 30 species cultures mixed with exactly the right percentages of each. Once reconstituted all of the population is living and the mix is ready to use and protect after about 30 minutes, PM recommend brewing further to multiply the population many times, the problem is, each species multiply at different rates, 24 hrs is about the maximum limit of time where all species are still effective and before some totally out compete and swamp out the slower species.
Yes you can use any pure seaweed extract when brewing, but not one containing added chelated Fe.
As a point any type of iron plant product, such as Fe Iron Chelate added to seaweed or sequestrene containing chelated iron, manganese and magnesium should never, never, never be used on healthy plants, they are only for iron deficient plants.
Hope this helps Ot1
BluePixie
Oct 25 2009, 09:52 AM
QUOTE (Tutu @ Oct 25 2009, 07:34 AM)

Will any seaweed extract do I'm thinking maxicrop or vitax both have sequestrated iron in them I believe.
Both Vitax and Maxicrop Organic Seaweed extracts come in a 'with seqestered iron' and 'regular' versions. You want the regular as per OT1.
Tutu
Oct 27 2009, 12:45 AM
QUOTE (oldtimer1 @ Oct 25 2009, 09:45 AM)

It would be nice to make more wouldn't it Tutu, we have been through this before, brewing yeast is brewing "one" specific pure culture, as long as not contaminated you just get more of that culture by brewing longer. Essence has nearly 30 species cultures mixed with exactly the right percentages of each. Once reconstituted all of the population is living and the mix is ready to use and protect after about 30 minutes, PM recommend brewing further to multiply the population many times, the problem is, each species multiply at different rates, 24 hrs is about the maximum limit of time where all species are still effective and before some totally out compete and swamp out the slower species.
Yes you can use any pure seaweed extract when brewing, but not one containing added chelated Fe.
As a point any type of iron plant product, such as Fe Iron Chelate added to seaweed or sequestrene containing chelated iron, manganese and magnesium should never, never, never be used on healthy plants, they are only for iron deficient plants.
Hope this helps Ot1
Right couldn't we brew our "super essence" which has been brewed for say 3 days with more mollasses and water added then use some normal 12hour brewed essence as well to add back the extra missing bacteria whilst giving them a super dose of the fittest of those bacteria from the first batch.
Or have I been smoking drugs?
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