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Joint hogger
hi folks

need some help with my water quality, its got a Ph 8.6/7 when it comes out the taps
but after its been bubbled for 24 hours, its got a Ph 7.6 with an ec of 0.07.

i thought it was hard but with the low ec, i wasnt sure, anyone know ?
i need to order more nutes & fancied trying plant magics instead of AN.

heres some info from the water co.

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Cheers JH
Tremont-Salby
does your report not say on the general summary ( perhaps one page back ? )
mine varies
this time it said
Water quality summary

Hardness level > soft

last time , a couple of months ago said soft to moderately hard.
Tremont-Salby
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these are the current readings for the northwest coast
fleetwood, central and lytham

quite a difference

i think the clarke hardness is the relevant bit and it hope it helps wink.gif
chrisesq
Are you sure you have the full report?
The report you have posted does not give a measurement for Calcium.

GreenNinja
QUOTE (Joint hogger @ Oct 13 2009, 03:26 AM) *
need some help with my water quality, its got a Ph 8.6/7 when it comes out the taps
but after its been bubbled for 24 hours, its got a Ph 7.6 with an ec of 0.07.


That's really weird.

I'm in a hard water area. Tapwater here is EC0.6 pH8 out of the tap. Bubbling it brings the pH up to 8.8 or so.

What is the EC out of the tap? That's the easiest way to tell. I believe if you're under EC0.3 then you're soft, and over 0.6 and you're hard....but from a rough guess I'd say you have very soft water, but I can't understand why your pH is dropping when you're bubbling it (maybe because it is so soft that it doesn't have buffering particles?? not a clue....)

GN
Joint hogger
its just good fresh scottish water from loch katrine wink.gif

but on the other hand, my cousin stays about 2 miles from me in a high rise & his water is fuckin awful alien2.gif


right, ran the tap & checked again, ph of 8.6, ec of 0.06 & a 024ppm ?
Joint hogger
forgot to add, this is the site i checked, www.dwqr.org.uk/map
& i cant find any detailed info on the scottish water website.
GreenNinja
QUOTE (Joint hogger @ Oct 13 2009, 01:52 PM) *
right, ran the tap & checked again, ph of 8.6, ec of 0.06 & a 024ppm ?


Wow, you have such amazingly pure water!!! Unless I'm getting this wrong, you have nigh-on RO water out of your tap. I guess if the scots can't do good water then who the fuck can??!

What I'm not getting though, is how can the pH be so high with so little EC? I'm hoping someone more clueful than me can fill that part in...

GN
nottsboy
I've been wondering about this myself. I have a PH of 8 (ish) and an EC of 0.36-0.44 so I figured the water here is on the softer side of hard. Should I try using hardwater nutes?

Anyone with more experience that could shed some light?
Joint hogger
QUOTE (GreenNinja @ Oct 13 2009, 03:48 PM) *
Wow, you have such amazingly pure water!!! Unless I'm getting this wrong,
you have nigh-on RO water out of your tap. I guess if the scots can't do
good water then who the fuck can??!


we also make some damn fine malt whiskys rofl.gif
but is it hard or soft water wink.gif

QUOTE
What I'm not getting though, is how can the pH be so high with so little EC?
I'm hoping someone more clueful than me can fill that part in..
.


the funny thing is tho, if i let it stand without bubbling for a day or 2,
the ph is 7.3, the ec is 0.07 & the ppm is 0.33 ??? 34.gif
GreenNinja
QUOTE (Joint hogger @ Oct 13 2009, 05:51 PM) *
and without bubbling for a day or 2,
the ph is 7.3, the ec is 0.07 & the ppm is 0.33 ??? 34.gif


Somebody tried to explain to me about bubbling, but I didn't get it (not a chemist) but it went something like this:

When you bubble water, you're displacing a carbon dioxide molecule and replacing it (temporarily) with an oxygen one and that's what raises the pH. Over the next hours if not bubbled/agitated the oxygen comes out and is replaced again by the CO2 molecule, and pH drops back down.

Soooo...if that's true, why the fuck is your pH dropping like that, just standing for a day or 2? The only thing that makes some sense is that your tap is bubbling the water, or your water company is?? I'm totally flummoxed....

But back to the original question: you must have soft water because it's the dissolved solids that are the indicator of hard/softness and not pH (although the two are directly linked)...unless it's all being confused by chloramines or some other additive....

GN
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Your soft water if your in Scotland wink.gif

Theres loads of maps on the internet to show this.
Joint hogger
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i only tried scottish water & the DWQR site, shoulda tried old faithfull notworthy.gif Google notworthy.gif

thanks for the help chaps, & good job i held of ordering the hard nutes last night 34.gif
groovelick
If you kettle element fur's up or your shower head get's blocked then you have hard water
ben
I think you get it like we do down here in cornwall; soft water from a reservoir in the hills. Similar to your water, ours doesnt seem to register on the EC scale at all and the ph is around 8.

I believe in most of england the water is from the ground so it comes out alot harder.
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