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Firefly

Oct 3 2009, 11:10 PM

I think I have swine flu... bad times!

I also think I've got over the worst of it and have been looking into whether cannabis can aid my recovery.
<Snip! Link removed....>
Also read a few forums but have to take them with a bucketful of salt.

It should aid psychologically and with most other symptoms (help sleep, reduce muscle ache, increased appetite) however I was going to smoke it as its midnight and I'm not doing any baking now

. Smoking will however be harmful to the lungs and throat prolonging those specific symptoms.

I have taken 6 paracetamol so far today (2 every 4 hrs) which should be helping in reducing my temperature.

I am going to have a spliff now and I'll post back with which symptoms have been helped and which ones havn't and whether I will be continuing this experiment or not.

Whatever my results show don't think it then will or wont work for you. I'm sure there is better research on this subject out there which should be taken into account - I just feel too ill to wade through it all (oh the irony of it all - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwDRBm-qbQI)

See you on the other side...

Firefly

chewable_madness

Oct 3 2009, 11:15 PM

Bummer dude, there was a post kicking about that said it did...

It's an infammtry after all

Arbuscule

Oct 3 2009, 11:20 PM

Plenty of fluids and a good night's sleep if poss

Sorry you're feeling ill mate - all the best

billious

Oct 3 2009, 11:44 PM

I posted a link to a paper around the time of the Mexico breakout that said cannabis had a negative effect in influenza infections... it's fallen off the data precipice now it seems.

Hazelikethese

Oct 3 2009, 11:53 PM

Arbuscule

Oct 3 2009, 11:55 PM

It's generally ok for regular flu (of which swine flu is a generally mild variant). Obviously smoking isn't generally good for flu, but weed may aid a good sleep and any muscular pain.

What makes you think it's swine flu as opposed to regular flu if you don't mind me asking ?

My friend had swine flu a few weeks back and it knocked her for a few days but she's been back in work a coupla weeks (no antiivirals required

- if they helped in any serious way she would presumably been offered them as a
district nurse)

Hope you enjoyed the puff mate

Firefly

Oct 4 2009, 12:04 AM

Well its done and I have to say that my temperature seems to be up slightly but its been doing that all today.

It hasn't changed my breathing at all and wasn't harsh on the throat except when i had to relight it once. The way I Smoked as to reduce the harshness was to smoke a single skin spliff through a bong with the hit hole open throughout.

Hasn't helped my muscle soreness either and I now think I'm gonna have to lie in bed with my laptop. But I do feel happy about all of it so in a way that's good. What would be the best is the opposite: fix all my symptoms and not get me high.

Better luck next experiment...

Firefly

Ps. Cheers guys for the heads up on the previous posts; I went thought 5 pages of topics should have done more, I forgot how longs its been since it started!

Firefly

Oct 4 2009, 12:24 AM

Now though I have to make a swifty addition to my previous post a few minutes ago...

The initial high didn't really help but I think now the "stonedness" is progressing [1] I feel relaxed and aspects of the muscle soreness have gone away; the general ache has gone but the aches I had before getting ill (fitness related) are still there.

[1]I think this shows the effect of certain cannabinoids on the body and in the paper that I posted in the start it did say "...peer reviewed publications have shown that phytocannabinoids can prevent this cell death by mimicking the endocannabinoids that nature has selected to prevent excessive inflammatory immune responses"

Sorry to have to use Harvard referencing. Anyway i now feel alright actually and still gonna go lie on my bed ready for an episode of family guy before sleep

night guys...

Firefly

greenjade

Oct 4 2009, 02:00 PM

Are you alright mate?

weedineed

Oct 4 2009, 02:22 PM

hi firefly i also have flu! its been real shit! had it for 3days now and it doesnt seem to disapearing anytime soon. first day i had a sore costantly needing to spit and uncomfortably when bunning! day two i had a pretty bad cough i smoked a cheese spliff and couldnt taste owt! or smell owt for that matter! day three i have been coughin, had a really blocked nose constantly needing to blow it. not good however atleast i have some of my taste and smell back!

bobstaines

Oct 5 2009, 07:29 AM

cannabis always helps with flu like symptoms for me.
swine flu??

self diagnosis is what the makers of tamiflu are hoping for

billious

Oct 5 2009, 08:54 AM

experiments have shown that THC affects how the lungs respond to the flu virus:

QUOTE

Modulation of Airway Responses to Influenza A/PR/8/34 by {Delta}9-Tetrahydrocannabinol in C57BL/6 Mice

{Delta}9-Tetrahydrocannabinol ({Delta}9-THC) has been widely established as a modulator of host immune responses. Accordingly, the objective of the present study was to examine the effects of {Delta}9-THC on the immune response within the lungs and associated changes in the morphology of the bronchiolar epithelium after one challenge with a nonlethal dose of the influenza virus A/PR/8 (PR8). C57BL/6 mice were treated by oral gavage with {Delta}9-THC and/or vehicle (corn oil) for 5 consecutive days. On day 3, mice were instilled intranasally with 50 plaque-forming units of PR8 and/or vehicle (saline) 4 h before {Delta}9-THC exposure. Mice were subsequently killed 7 and 10 days postinfection (dpi). Viral hemagglutinin 1 (H1) mRNA levels in the lungs were increased in a dose-dependent manner with {Delta}9-THC treatment. Enumeration of inflammatory cell types in bronchoalveolar lavage fluid showed an attenuation of macrophages and CD4+ and CD8+ T cells in {Delta}9-THC-treated mice compared with controls. Likewise, the magnitude of inflammation and virus-induced mucous cell metaplasia, as assessed by histopathology, was reduced in {Delta}9-THC-treated mice by 10 dpi. Collectively, these results suggest that {Delta}9-THC treatment increased viral load, as assessed by H1 mRNA levels, through a decrease in recruitment of macrophages and lymphocytes, particularly CD4+ and CD8+ T cells, to the lung.

treeofsatta

Oct 5 2009, 01:25 PM

Sorry for my ignorance but does that prove that THC does not help?

~Satta

billious

Oct 5 2009, 01:57 PM

Satta, It says that in mice at least, those mice that were fed THC for 10 days had higher levels of flu in their lungs than those that weren't and that the quantity of flu virus was linked to the thc dosage. So in mice at least THC lowers the lungs ability to fight off the infection

Organic Jim

Oct 6 2009, 07:15 AM

I had flu in January, knocked me for seven for two weeks, then took a week more to feel normal. I couldn't smoke cannabis because of a massive retch inducing cough, which made me chuck a couple of times (

yum!) I reverted to the old vapouriser, I have a Vapir stashed away for these moments. This seemed to be ok but still made me cough and the warm air made my throat dry and uncomfortable. In desperation to feel better, I warmed some crumbled Trainwreck in a little butter, swished it into a yoghurt and knocked it back. I can't say whether or not it helped with the flu, but I slept for about a day which stopped me complaining, so the mrs got over her earache!
Hope you feel better soon,
Jim

Randalizer

Oct 6 2009, 07:22 AM

I generally find that smoking canna helps with flu symptoms, but only if done in tiny amounts. Like a couple tiny puffs once or twice a day. Any more than that and my lungs feel uncomfortable and I get more disoriented than I like.

Nice find btw Billious!

grandad

Oct 6 2009, 08:45 AM

cannabis appears to help me to fight flue, iv'e never had it.

billious

Oct 6 2009, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (grandad @ Oct 6 2009, 09:45 AM)

cannabis appears to help me to fight flue, iv'e never had it.

Never had it myself, I put my immunity down to drinking slightly sweetened tea every day and not eating my crusts at breakfast

noddy420

Oct 6 2009, 10:39 AM

found this doing some research in the cannabis field,about Dr Bob Melamade & cannabis fights swine flu ? !!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276928

peace.

billious

Oct 6 2009, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (noddy420 @ Oct 6 2009, 11:39 AM)

found this doing some research in the cannabis field,about Dr Bob Melamade & cannabis fights swine flu ? !!

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/276928

peace.

Well found... the plot thickens!

Jut

Oct 6 2009, 05:24 PM

Peter Tosh says it's good for the flu

That's good enough for me

Firefly

Oct 7 2009, 12:25 PM

My link that got removed was on the same subject - using a lozenge instead of smoking.

All I have now is a bad cough and I'm about to go and teach martial arts so I'm up and about.

Cheers guys for all the input. I think its a personal thing - helped me I think.

Signing off...

Firefly

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treeofsatta

Oct 7 2009, 01:14 PM

QUOTE (billious @ Oct 5 2009, 02:57 PM)

Thanks for setting me straight Billous. I find it really hard to understand some scientific analysis of things! Too many long words :s

noddy420

Oct 8 2009, 08:22 AM

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noddy420

Oct 8 2009, 08:26 AM

QUOTE
We now know that the endocannabinoid system plays a critical role in maintaining human health. The human body produces Endocannabinoids on demand when they are needed. They help restore homeostasis (biochemical balance). The Cannabis plant produces Phytocannabinoids. When the human body has endocannabinoid deficiencies, it cannot effectively restore the healthy biochemical state needed to counter a particular illness. Phytocannabinoids from the Cannabis plant can replace the deficient endocannabinoid activity in the human body to restore a health-promoting level of cannabinoid activity.

dogzilla

Oct 22 2009, 10:02 AM

Personally can't smoke when I'm sick with flu like symptoms.

For a start I already feel fucked and in a haze. I smoke and it's like I'm blind and drunk trying to swim through a sea of hair gel. Not pleasant. Also it usually blocks my nose up further than it needs to be and gives me more pressure in my head.

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